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13 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

EQ..that's the name I was trying to think of...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_EQ

What I do not get is why waste effort putting 3 models on the Smart lineup? MB should learn from the mistake Toyota made with Scion and just merge Smart into the MB brand, have the EQ lineup being as I stated above.

EQ1 - 2 person EV car

EQ2 - 4 person EV car

EQ3 - 4/5 person CUV compact

EQ4 - 5 person CUV Mid Size

EQ 6 - 7/8 person 3 row CUV 

EQ7 - 7/8 person 3 row full size SUV

EQ-T - 5 person EV mid size pickup

Since I never understood the naming convention for AMG versions, you can just add a W to the end of each one for WARP mode. :P 

This way MB saves money on the wasted Smart branding and advertising, though I never have seen advertising for Smart cars and they keep their idiot naming convention for their new EV lineup of auto's.

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These dealers are smarter than I've given them credit for.  EV trash, who wants that junk?

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7 hours ago, dfelt said:

BOLT still the better deal, actual price per the web site is $24,550 for a 58 mile range EV with only 110/240 charging, no fast charging or level 3 available. Charging time is 6hrs / 3hrs or 80% charge in 5hrs / 2.5hrs depending on 110 or 240.

This has zero appeal as even the web site says range will diminish with heater or AC use. So you really might have a 40 mile range auto. 

If living in the city, then maybe, but as a commuter car, no the BOLT is the much better pick for an EV.

They need to get a 100 mile range on the Smart for the current cost, the current car has too small a range.  100 miles at a $24k cost, sort of fills that low end niche for now. 

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I think the plan for the EQ cars is do do something like Mercedes-EQ C-class, Mercedes EQ E-class, etc.  They would ride on a special EV platform but mirror the gas car line up.  If they plan 10 EV's they basically have to do like 4 sedan, 4 suv, 2 sports cars or something.  That would make the most sense to start that way since post 2030 they will probably only have EV's. 

The German 3 said they are not going to spend any money on internal combustion engine development after 2023, Chancellor Merkel said Germany will eventually ban internal combustion engines.  So no sense trying to make new classes, when C-E-S are all going to be EVs in 15 years.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

I think the plan for the EQ cars is do do something like Mercedes-EQ C-class, Mercedes EQ E-class, etc.  They would ride on a special EV platform but mirror the gas car line up.  If they plan 10 EV's they basically have to do like 4 sedan, 4 suv, 2 sports cars or something.  That would make the most sense to start that way since post 2030 they will probably only have EV's. 

The German 3 said they are not going to spend any money on internal combustion engine development after 2023, Chancellor Merkel said Germany will eventually ban internal combustion engines.  So no sense trying to make new classes, when C-E-S are all going to be EVs in 15 years.

Yet per their own announcement, MB only gets 7 auto's as Smart is to get 3 EV auto's.

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13 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Yet per their own announcement, MB only gets 7 auto's as Smart is to get 3 EV auto's.

Everything I ever read was 10 electric Mercedes by 2022, not Daimler making 10 EV's.

EQ brand A, C, E, S-class size sedans and GLC, GLE, GLS size SUVs are a given, that is 7 right there.   At some point there will be an AMG electric car, and I have to imagine they want an electric SL roadster.  

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Electrified does not mean EV.

Electrified does not mean EV.

Electrified does not mean EV.

Electrified does not mean EV.

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11 hours ago, balthazar said:

Innit that pretty close to Mitsu's "iQ"?

Ooooooo! King-sized missed opprtunity > the "Smart iQ" !!

Scion had the iQ.   Mitsu's electric 4dr is the i-MiEV

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12 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Electrified does not mean EV.

Electrified does not mean EV.

Electrified does not mean EV.

Electrified does not mean EV.

True, so Mercedes is making 10 EV's and 50+ electrified models by 2022 then.    Exciting stuff.

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wonder if the Daimler bean counters are going to be 'excited' at the nosedive on the sales chart?

MB plays up the S550e online, touting all the 'advantages' ("handcrafted interior", all LEDs, 0-60 in 5 sec (or whatever)) along with the 54/63 MGe... but have only sold 411 units thru June. Literally, "no one buys it". Other s-class sales thru June : 7,172. S550e is only 6%!

Going all EV / hybrid is going to absolutely MURDER the brand's sales.

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16 hours ago, balthazar said:

wonder if the Daimler bean counters are going to be 'excited' at the nosedive on the sales chart?

MB plays up the S550e online, touting all the 'advantages' ("handcrafted interior", all LEDs, 0-60 in 5 sec (or whatever)) along with the 54/63 MGe... but have only sold 411 units thru June. Literally, "no one buys it". Other s-class sales thru June : 7,172. S550e is only 6%!

Going all EV / hybrid is going to absolutely MURDER the brand's sales.

I totally get what you say Balthazar, I cannot see MB giving up totally on ICE as there are too many markets that will have zero EV infrastructure and even though some gov's have set the line in the sand for the death of ICE, I bet it will get moved.

At least many companies are now moving forward and it will be interesting to see how they compete especially with Tesla.

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18 hours ago, balthazar said:

wonder if the Daimler bean counters are going to be 'excited' at the nosedive on the sales chart?

MB plays up the S550e online, touting all the 'advantages' ("handcrafted interior", all LEDs, 0-60 in 5 sec (or whatever)) along with the 54/63 MGe... but have only sold 411 units thru June. Literally, "no one buys it". Other s-class sales thru June : 7,172. S550e is only 6%!

Going all EV / hybrid is going to absolutely MURDER the brand's sales.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here primarily because the entire industry is heading to a completely hybrid/EV lineup.  If your only choices are a Benz hybrid, BMW Hybrid, Volvo Hybrid, and Cadillac Hybrid, you're not going to stop your years of Benz buying just because they now only sell hybrids.

 

Edit: Also Balth, to be fair, the S550E went out of production late last year and is being reintroduced after being refreshed late this year. It's not even currently listed on Benz's website.  So first half 2017 sales figures aren't indicative of take rate. 

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• I swear I just looked at the S550e on the website 2 days ago. Hybrid V6. Had it's own scrollable multi-page display. Did it come down in the last 48 hours then? Sales were higher in July than any other month this year.

• RE plug-ins... sure; if everyone short-terms the expiration of ICEs, buyers will go with EVs / hybrids... but a short-term switch over isn't feasible, and it's also not desirable. OEMs have to adhere to a business case approach based off of data- and EV/Hs aren't pulling any weight yet. Any OEM executing a full-stop switchover is courting extremely high levels of risk, levels current numbers don't come remotely close to supporting. Too much money at stake. Again I'll interject: Tesla Model S sales thru July : 12,620. The car with the absolute highest level of recognition & consumer good will is struggling to move 21,000 units annually (it did 29K last year and 25K the year before).

The MB e-class is on pace for 50K units this year... what is the internal projection for the model if it were suddenly and only an EV? Would it surpass the Model S's volume? I don't see it- the EV crowd is flocking to Tesla right now- why go to "a copy" when you can "have the original"? ;) In other words, logically assuming a volume south of the Model S, an EV E-class might be looking at a best case scenario of 10K units initially, keeping in mind what the market is willing to bear short-term. Who's going to green-light an 80% production decrease?? Especially knowing how ravenous Daimler is for production volume.

There is a very wide gap between topical discussion/journalism and what buyers are agreeing to sign for.
These future announcements still come off as 'testing the feedback waters' to my ear.

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Looks like MBUSA has updated the S-class page for MY 2018... 

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29 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Looks like MBUSA has updated the S-class page for MY 2018... 

Had to hide those dismal EV / hybrid sales from the Bean Counters!
:roflmao:

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