Toyota News: Toyota's R&D Boss Believes Internal Combustion Engines For Cars To Be Gone By 2050

[David]

6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Since I have a woodworking shop in my garage I really really dislike having flammable gasoline around sawdust and lumber.  I may just switch my lawn mower to electric just so i sleep better at night.

Love my home electric leaf blower, so much quieter and less smelly than gas powered.  When i am done making sawdust in the garage, I can clean up quickly and blow out the garage even if it is after my neighbors bed time. 

His bedroom window and his daughters bedroom window are right outside of my work shop, so I try to be polite.

You will love the mower, you can even mow early in the morning and no one hears you. I have done it early while the wife sleeps, then get cleaned up and take her out to breakfast and have the rest of the day together. 

Since I am further north, our summers have full daylight before most wake up, so I have not ever had to use the LED lights on the mower, but did try them out one evening and it was cool to see how bright the yard was. Pretty awesome mowers.

[A Horse With No Name]

They are the people that make the equipment our grounds crew on campus uses, it is fantastically reliable.

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It'll run for 60 minutes on a charge and charge in 60 minutes.  The natural solution is to just buy a second battery that sits on the charger while you're using the first one. 

That's an extra $130... I'd want a second battery anyway but that's a lot of money.

[ccap41]

Just kidding.. The battery that is on the $600 mower is this guy... so a second one of these is.. $360..

https://www.homedepot.com/p/EGO-56-Volt-7-5-Ah-Battery-BA4200/205983345

 

[David]

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Just kidding.. The battery that is on the $600 mower is this guy... so a second one of these is.. $360..

https://www.homedepot.com/p/EGO-56-Volt-7-5-Ah-Battery-BA4200/205983345

 

See that makes no sense and I honestly feel they are going after money grab as when I bought my EGO Power Tools, I bought through Amazon where I got a superior deal on getting the Mower, Trimmer and Blower at one time with the 3 batteries and chargers. All work great, a 2nd 56 V 7.5 Amp battery was only $150 then and that was 2 years ago. Now $348 dollars plus 10 bucks for shipping so $358 is just crazy. I know they want to keep their prices higher and I think Home Depot one of their biggest retailers for their products have always just doubled the price so I feel EGO is matching to just take the higher profit. I do not blame them but also have to point out this keeps people from moving to EV when you over price your product.

https://www.amazon.com/EGO-Power-BA4200-Lithium-Ion-Equipment/dp/B01FAW5GWY

Crazy that I spent less than a Grand for all 3 and now it is about 400 more than I spent 2 years ago. I wonder also if the Holidays are playing a part of higher prices. Crazy, I do like their new Snow Blower, talk about quiet.

[Drew Dowdell]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Just kidding.. The battery that is on the $600 mower is this guy... so a second one of these is.. $360..

https://www.homedepot.com/p/EGO-56-Volt-7-5-Ah-Battery-BA4200/205983345

 

I bill my private consulting clients $75/hour. All that battery needs to do is save me 4.6 hours of swearing like a sailor at a gasoline mower to be worth it. It would have earned it's keep in August 2017 alone.

Yes there is a higher dollar cost to these electric mowers, but time is also money.

That said, I could probably do my lawn plus the lawns at my rental properties on a single charge.

[A Horse With No Name]

I generally charge at least $40 for side work...and have no trouble selling labor for that.

Figure the amount of time I spend waiting in line to buy gasoline and an electric car starts making sense really fast. Thinking CPO Bolt might just be in budget...

[FAPTurbo]

4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

That's the brand my Eco warrior neighbor bought and recommended to me when we were talking about me tossing the gas mower.

i have this ego mower and it's incredible. i've managed to mow both my rental properties, and front/back home lawns on a single charge. one time the battery nearly died out on me but i brought the charger, plugged it in while doing 15 minutes of edging and it was ready to go. highly recommended. 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/EGO-21-in-56-Volt-Lithium-ion-Cordless-Battery-Push-Mower-with-5-0Ah-Battery-and-Charger-Included-LM2101/206515766

[oldshurst442]

[Reads latest posts]

Battery powered electric leaf blowers and lawn mowers....

[checks name of thread...sees thread is about Toyota]

[concludes...and agrees...that battery powered electric leaf blowers and lawn mowers are much more fun to talk about AND operate than Toyotas]

Edited November 16, 2017 by oldshurst442

[A Horse With No Name]

6 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

[Reads latest posts]

Battery powered electric leaf blowers and lawn mowers....

[checks name of thread...sees thread is about Toyota]

[concludes...and agrees...that battery powered electric leaf blowers and lawn mowers are much more fun to talk about AND operate than Toyotas]

Depends on the Toyota...would love to drive a Toyota 86...which brings us right back to cars, internal combustion, and manual transmissions.

[Drew Dowdell]

15 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

[Reads latest posts]

Battery powered electric leaf blowers and lawn mowers....

[checks name of thread...sees thread is about Toyota]

[concludes...and agrees...that battery powered electric leaf blowers and lawn mowers are much more fun to talk about AND operate than Toyotas]

No no... we're just being flexible since we have a member here with a case of whataboutism.

[David]

10 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Depends on the Toyota...would love to drive a Toyota 86...which brings us right back to cars, internal combustion, and manual transmissions.

Toyota Sport 800 from 1965 to 1970 would be a fun cool car to play with.

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/toyota/sports-800/4354/1965-1970-toyota-sports-800

Toyota could give Miata a run for their money or maybe Mazda got their clues from this for the Miata.  

[oldshurst442]

12 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Depends on the Toyota...would love to drive a Toyota 86...which brings us right back to cars, internal combustion, and manual transmissions.

No no...Its OK...

We could go back to leaf blowers and lawn mowers.

Ill meet you half-way...

I bought a Yardworks gasoline lawnmower 14-15 years ago. Im guessing its a Tecumseh motor. Hardly any maintenance do I do and she still purrs like a mean kitten. 

Internal combustion Tecumseh motors are fine engines....

 

Edited November 16, 2017 by oldshurst442

[oldshurst442]

In all seriousness though...I avoided this thread...

Too much mind-numbing whataboutisms and purposeful neglecting of reality going on.

I much prefer the path we are on now.

I no longer have the urge to....scream.

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

In all seriousness though...I avoided this thread...

Too much mind-numbing whataboutisms and purposeful neglecting of reality going on.

I much prefer the path we are on now.

I no longer have the urge to....scream.

With an electric lawn mower at least we could hear you scream.  Given the Toyota 86, sticky tires, and a curvy road, i could make you scream.  The lack of a sensible response from the anti EV crowd makes me want to scream.

There are arguments against EV's they just are not presented rationally here.

11 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Toyota Sport 800 from 1965 to 1970 would be a fun cool car to play with.

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/toyota/sports-800/4354/1965-1970-toyota-sports-800

Toyota could give Miata a run for their money or maybe Mazda got their clues from this for the Miata.  

i could drop that in my back pocket...

[oldshurst442]

3 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

With an electric lawn mower at least we could hear you scream.  Given the Toyota 86, sticky tires, and a curvy road, i could make you scream.  The lack of a sensible response from the anti EV crowd makes me want to scream.

There are arguments against EV's they just are not presented rationally here.

The thing does corner damn well!  I like the Toyota 86. Id take the Subaru version though.

This little emoticon is my friend.

If one car that could be made into an EV and be better than its gasoline counterpart would be the Toyobaru.

The Tesla roadster powertrain in this and it be better than the Lotus derived Tesla roadster...

Why do I feel this way?

Let us discuss it...

 

[A Horse With No Name]

I would love a small electric sports car...that would be the Cats Ass....

And yes, your average Toyota has all of the appeal of Joe Biden on a bad day. 

And actually that is wildly unfair to Toyota.

[David]

11 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

The thing does corner damn well!  I like the Toyota 86. Id take the Subaru version though.

This little emoticon is my friend.

If one car that could be made into an EV and be better than its gasoline counterpart would be the Toyobaru.

The Tesla roadster powertrain in this and it be better than the Lotus derived Tesla roadster...

Why do I feel this way?

Let us discuss it...

 

OK, I give ya the mule test auto from Toyota,

Toyota 86 EV

And for those that want an ICE Version, properly V8 powered.

Monster 86

Nothing like putting in a Proper LS3 Engine with a base mode of 430HP, big jump over the 200HP from the default power train 86.

@A Horse With No Name This is way better than the politician even on a stormy wet day!  

[Drew Dowdell]

12 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I would love a small electric sports car...that would be the Cats Ass....

And yes, your average Toyota has all of the appeal of Joe Biden on a bad day. 

And actually that is wildly unfair to Toyota.

Oh come on... Joe Biden can be really funny when those anvils fall out of his mouth.

[oldshurst442]

1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I would love a small electric sports car...that would be the Cats Ass....

And yes, your average Toyota has all of the appeal of Joe Biden on a bad day. 

And actually that is wildly unfair to Toyota.

whoa....

What you just said is unfair towards Joe Biden...

Give the man some credit.

 

Toyota is more like Al Gore...

Was once married to a very fine looking Tipper. (That would be the Toyota 2000GT)

Has 3 beautiful children (Those would be the Supra, Celica and MR2)

Had a good political career (Hilux and Lexus)

But now...is just a big ole bore. Al Gore!  (Camry)

 

[A Horse With No Name]

4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Oh come on... Joe Biden can be really funny when those anvils fall out of his mouth.

I learned that people actually collect Anvils.  A Hay Budden Anvil sold for over fourteen grand on Ebay.

The anvil might be the most useful part of that equation...

[Drew Dowdell]

lord... how much further off-topic can we wander here?

[A Horse With No Name]

5 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

 

 

Damn, Vladimir Putin drives a Pontiac...who knew?

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

lord... how much further off-topic can we wander here?

I need pasta I think. Maybe we could merge this into the random thoughts thread?

 

Anvil....

[oldshurst442]

33 minutes ago, dfelt said:

OK, I give ya the mule test auto from Toyota,

Toyota 86 EV

And for those that want an ICE Version, properly V8 powered.

Monster 86

Nothing like putting in a Proper LS3 Engine with a base mode of 430HP, big jump over the 200HP from the default power train 86.

Call me crazy...and as much fun the LS3 86 would be...Id still take the EV.

Quote

 

fter having removed the GT 86’s four-cylinder engine, TGMY has installed an electric motor rated at 75 kW (100 horsepower) and 177 pound-feet of torque. That’s well short of the regular GT 86’s 200-horsepower output, but as seen in this video, first picked up by Technologic Vehicles, the electric sports coupe’s pace is far from sluggish.

TGMY took the car and did some laps of Japan’s famous Suzuka Circuit where it was able to post a best time of 2 minutes and 57 seconds. That’s only 20 seconds slower than a twin-turbocharged Mazda RX7, and just 30 seconds off the pace of a Porsche Carrera GT supercar, according to our sister site Motor Authority.

TGMY’s electric conversion also includes a 37-kWh lithium-polymer battery, which the company says is good for a 155-mile range. The vehicle’s top speed is a claimed 124 mph.

 

That is with an EV motor of only 100 HP...100 less than the 4 cylinder...and maybe 10-20 ft/lbs less.

The LS3 86 just undermines what the 86 is all about. But the EV amplifies (pun intended) the 86's raison d'etre.

Edited November 16, 2017 by oldshurst442

[David]

Need to get Ocnblu into one of these!

 

[A Horse With No Name]

 

Back to cars....

With a heart

of gold...

4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Need to get Ocnblu into one of these!

 

That is just awesome...

...and yes to an electric 86!

 

[A Horse With No Name]

Not every alternative fuel is as good as electric...

Strong, Sturdy a will of it's own...this for certain people...

 

 

[ccap41]

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I bill my private consulting clients $75/hour. All that battery needs to do is save me 4.6 hours of swearing like a sailor at a gasoline mower to be worth it. It would have earned it's keep in August 2017 alone.

Yes there is a higher dollar cost to these electric mowers, but time is also money.

That said, I could probably do my lawn plus the lawns at my rental properties on a single charge.

That's nice and all but it doesn't help average Joe much when a push mower cost a grand with one spare battery. 

[A Horse With No Name]

5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That's nice and all but it doesn't help average Joe much when a push mower cost a grand with one spare battery. 

Without a spare battery it is like $600 and does not require gasoline to be stored in my garage. I may just pull the trigger.

[oldshurst442]

7 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

but it doesn't help average Joe

Average who?

Average Joe...Biden?

Nah...that does not help him at all...he prefers turbo V8s of the shytty kind...

Edited November 16, 2017 by oldshurst442

[A Horse With No Name]

Our political irregularities and some of our less spectacular automotive oddities bring back my favorite quote about Canada...from Robin Williams..."Canada is like a really nice apartment on top of a meth lab.."

[balthazar]

I have a lot of trees & don't fertilize, so I mow infrequently. If my 12-some year old Briggs & Stratton ever dies, I'd consider the Ego... if the price comes down. $350 sale price vs. $150 for gas powered...

[David]

1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Without a spare battery it is like $600 and does not require gasoline to be stored in my garage. I may just pull the trigger.

This was one of many reasons to get rid of ICE Mower, Blower, Weed wacker. No more Petrol and smell, No more oil changes, no more tune ups, so many benefits that the upfront cost is easily recovered over the long haul of ownership. Not to mention the ease of recharging in my garage. Not having to wear ear muffs, etc. Love the Quietness of EV yard tools.

[oldshurst442]

48 minutes ago, balthazar said:

 If my 12-some year old Briggs & Stratton ever dies, I'd consider the Ego... if the price comes down. $350 sale price vs. $150 for gas powered...

Im in the same boat regarding lawn mowers and price. Same views apply to ICE and EVs for me.

And I just remembered...thanx to your post....that Yardworks lawnmower I own is a Briggs and Stratton.

My snowblower is a Tecumseh motor.

[ocnblu]

LOL look at this thread AFTER an admonishment from Drew aimed toward me... amazing, and typical of leftists.

[balthazar]

15 minutes ago, dfelt said:

No more Petrol and smell, No more oil changes, no more tune ups, so many benefits that the upfront cost is easily recovered over the long haul of ownership.

Like I said: I don't mow that frequently- there's no push mower 'tune-ups',  I may have changed the oil in it like 3 times (right now it's a lovely clean amber color), and there's no other 'benefits' I can see in my garage. Storing gas- it's the garage. Oh- I do like how the Eco stands upright when folded up- there is that. But that's not worth me spending $200 for.

[Robert Hall]

My yard service mows once a week.  I was able to get by with getting it mowed every two weeks in Phoenix, grew slower.   Except those guys took an hour to do a smaller lot.  Here the guys have bigger mowers and do the front and the back in 15 min. 

[oldshurst442]

34 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

LOL look at this thread AFTER an admonishment from Drew aimed toward me... amazing, and typical of leftists.

Typical of rightists?

Ignoring and deflecting?

PS: I dont lean neither left nor right...my ideas are based on TRUTH and REALITY...and I accept it for what it is...even it means...CHANGE...

I just think...FOR MYSELF!!!

Edited November 17, 2017 by oldshurst442

[Drew Dowdell]

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

That's nice and all but it doesn't help average Joe much when a push mower cost a grand with one spare battery. 

The average homeowner isn't going to need more than one battery. 60 minutes of actual mower operation is a lot of yard. Such a homeowner will be of distinctly above average income.

53 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

LOL look at this thread AFTER an admonishment from Drew aimed toward me... amazing, and typical of leftists.

I prefer to think of it is as being flexible. You want to talk about all the whatabouts aside from car emissions... We're doing just that.  Feel free to bring up cow farts again in this thread if you want.

[Drew Dowdell]

I want to repeat that I didn't ditch the gas mower for any grand ecological reasoning. It was a 14 year old Craftsman with a Briggs engine that caused me lots of trouble. I probably put more money into parts for it over the last few years than it would have cost me to buy a new one, but it was always $25 here, $45 there, so individually the repairs made sense.  The last breakdown happened only an hour after I had replaced a part that I had waited a week for and I was simply fed up. I got a service to do my rentals and I had the spare Black and Decker corded electric to fill in. If I can find a new blade for it (it's enough out of balance to matter) I'll just use it till it dies and then get another electric. I have a number of other newer gas powered tools still around that won't be replaced for a long while.

[balthazar]

Cheers and Mowers ™

[A Horse With No Name]

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

LOL look at this thread AFTER an admonishment from Drew aimed toward me... amazing, and typical of leftists.

It's a conspiracy!

[FAPTurbo]

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

LOL look at this thread AFTER an admonishment from Drew aimed toward me... amazing, and typical of leftists.

i like the guy whose entire house cost less than my car calling people 'leftists...'

whattaboutism is an old soviet chestnut, so keep it up comrade. 

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Cheers and Mowers ™

I think we can all agree the electric mower is sexier than most of the current Toyota line up.  Might be a little cold for Ohio guys like cubical and I during the winter though...

[A Horse With No Name]

2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

I just think...FOR MYSELF!!!

Ahhh yes... so much better than the idiot my son dealt with on the phone.

[Intrepidation]

2-cycle mower or bust.

[A Horse With No Name]

My son works in a department for an insurance company called escalation where he takes calls no one else will handle.

The other day he had a nut job Pentecostal preacher keep insisting that he could give us a special thanksgiving blessing straight from Jesus in liu of premium payment.

2 minutes ago, Intrepidation said:

2-cycle mower or bust.

I want to dump extra oil in the fuel and make it smoke like a freaking freight train just to prove a political point...

12 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

i like the guy whose entire house cost less than my car calling people 'leftists...'

whattaboutism is an old soviet chestnut, so keep it up comrade. 

I prefer to think of myself as a Trotskyist with liberation theology trappings myself. 

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Cheers and Mowers ™

We could re open the cars and girls thread and talk about bush.

Some of the ladies from the seventies could use a gasoline powered implement to trim that.

[Intrepidation]

I use it because it's cool, and because 2-strokes are torque monsters by small engine standards. Also if you mix the fuel correctly you have little to no smoke.

I'd have no qualms about using something like a Ryobi One+ Hybrid mower, I just have no need because I have like, six gas powered mowers to choose from in my garage, including what is considered the holy grail of engines, a 2-stroke Suzuki powered Toro Recycler.

[A Horse With No Name]

Perfect case for the use of fossil fue

Just now, Intrepidation said:

I use it because it's cool, and because 2-strokes are torque monsters by small engine standards. Also if you mix the fuel correctly you have little to no smoke.

I'd have no qualms about using something like a Ryobi One+ Hybrid mower, I just have no need because I have like, six gas powered mowers to choose from in my garage, including what is considered the holy grail of engines, a 2-stroke Suzuki powered Toro Recycler.

I honestly don't understand why you cannot love both fossil fuel and electric vehicles.  I do!