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As for the Amish all I care to know is that I really enjoy talking to Amish woodworking people when they shop at the same supply house or lumber mill I like to use.

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13 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

#16. People have a right to free choice in vehicles. Forcing an EV mandate treats people like small children unable to determine the course they want for the future.

If someone wants to buy an F350 knowing full well fuel prices could spike in the future, giving them the freedom to make that choice is the adult thing to do, and treats them like adults.

#17. Planning everything for the future and leaving nothing for today is a form of futurism that is toxic.  We don't know what course humans will take in the future, so over planning can be harmful.  Fossil fuel vehicles are a well established technology that works well for today and should be embraced.

 

#18. An over emphasis on EV vehicles takes away credit from two things...A. fossil fuels ahve been a huge gift and a huge blessing over the last two hundred years and B. Fossil fuel companies are not the anti-Christ-they bring us on a daily basis what we need to keep society running.  Without fossil fuels, anarchy and chaos would result, ending the lives of millions, perhaps billions of people and diminishing the lives of all 7 billion of us.

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#19

Batteries require supplies of very RARE minerals. If EVs become the successor worldwide, where will we find all these RARE minerals? Everybody keeps on mentioning RARE minerals...RARE means scarce to me...

Everybody keeps on saying fossil fuels are just about to run dry...but NOBODY discusses how long will these RARE minerals will last us when and if EVs are produced by the millions yearly.

 

#20

Every so often, anti-EV arguments reveal that disposal of batteries is EQUALLY harmful for the environment, yet no tree-hugger explains how this eco-disaster will be addressed.

As far as pollution goes...we are trading 4 quarters for a dollar.  Nothing is free in life...just checks and balances...

#21

Nobody is questioning China as to why China is pushing to ban ICE...

Pollution SEEMS to be the answer...

Sure...

But I truly believe (no devil's argument in this one) that is the brainwashing answer...

I dont feel like googling...but Im almost 100% sure that China has a shtye load of these RARE minerals in her own back yard. Probably the world's largest supply. She already has monopolized the market...I think...

Lots of dough to be made here on the backs of the rest of the world.

Couple that with the fact that China has become the world's LARGEST producer of hydro-electric power and because China has the world's largest population o date...India will overtake her in the next 50 years...it dont matter though as billions of Chinese people will be recharging their EVs anyhow allowing China to line up her coffers with TRILLIONS of dollars...

Its a money making power move for them...to ban ICE and go all-out EV.

#21 is not a slight against EVs, nor a positive for ICE (although China as of now dictates how and what kind of cars will be bought) its just a reminder that the USA has to do something to keep up monetarily to the Chinese because this EV thing will propel China into a superpower level that has never been seen before...

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The U.S. handed important things over to China and we have ourselves to blame.  Industrial might is what propelled us to prevail in WWII and go on to become the top world superpower.  But we got lazy and spoiled.  The "Made in the USA" label has become a novelty rarely seen and usually accompanied by hollow patriotic cheers.  Manufacturing ability (or the will to manufacture) is of utmost importance to a society.  Globalism is a danger.

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1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

The U.S. handed important things over to China and we have ourselves to blame.  Industrial might is what propelled us to prevail in WWII and go on to become the top world superpower.  But we got lazy and spoiled.  The "Made in the USA" label has become a novelty rarely seen and usually accompanied by hollow patriotic cheers.  Manufacturing ability (or the will to manufacture) is of utmost importance to a society.  Globalism is a danger.

I would agree one hundred percent with you here.

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14 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Surreal and others who like to point out the fact that I live in an area heavily populated by Amish folks show their big, fat ignorance every time they gleefully spit it.

 

There are Amish barns near me with solar panels on the roof.

So read up on things... like you all are particularly wont to command of me, before you so surely and clearly spell out just how ignorant you are by throwing out statements about the Amish, which demonstrate you don't know a damn thing about them and how they live in 2017.

Oh just shut up with this nonsense. It’s called a damn joke (and was only related to the horse and buggy discussion) and you’re just mad becuase you have been called out for your repeated trolling. You’ll find my concern for you on this in the same place as the unicorn, imaginary and nowhere to be found. 

11 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

That also. Your answer is essentially non competitive with mine...we are both correct. Something can be environmental waste and an act against personal liberty at the same time.

Or better yet just don't take the bait if you think he is baiting you.  There is a world of ideas relating to the fossil fuel side of the equation.  Deal with those ideas.  I don't give a damn about who has sand in their manly bits about what was said here.  I want to talk about cars.

There was no bait. It was a joke that he wants to act all sensitive regarding and only because he was called out. I had no idea he even lived anywhere near the Amish but it does not change my original point which was it was a f@#king joke. If he can’t handle that, then maybe it’s he that needs to find a safe space where he can continue to troll what he doesn’t like without resistance. Might I suggest www.fossilfuelsrockandsolarandevssuck.com?

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2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I would agree one hundred percent with you here.

We didn’t get lazy and spoiled in so much that the world got smaller and corporations got greedier by seeking the lowest wages around the world to peddle their wares. 

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4 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

We didn’t get lazy and spoiled in so much that the world got smaller and corporations got greedier by seeking the lowest wages around the world to peddle their wares. 

Large woodworking machines are cheaper now than they were 30 years ago by far.

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23 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Surreal and others who like to point out the fact that I live in an area heavily populated by Amish folks show their big, fat ignorance every time they gleefully spit it.

 

There are Amish barns near me with solar panels on the roof.

So read up on things... like you all are particularly wont to command of me, before you so surely and clearly spell out just how ignorant you are by throwing out statements about the Amish, which demonstrate you don't know a damn thing about them and how they live in 2017.

So what you're saying is that even the Amish are more forward thinking about energy than you are?

I like the rumble of a big fat V8 just as much as you do,  but I also admit that the Bolt and Pacifica Hybrid powertrains thoroughly impressed me and I'd have no trouble with either powertrain as a daily driver..... I wouldn't want the rest of the car personally because neither of them are my style, but the powertrains were good enough for me to toss the idea around in my head a bit. 

I think the way you present your argument is what gets the reactions you get.   There are rational reasons for moving forward with EVs, there are fewer to be had for holding on to ICEs longer than necessary. EVs are going to be a growing part of the automotive landscape. What you and I think about EVs is not going to change the timeframe of that happening. 

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13 hours ago, ocnblu said:

The U.S. handed important things over to China and we have ourselves to blame.  Industrial might is what propelled us to prevail in WWII and go on to become the top world superpower.  But we got lazy and spoiled.  The "Made in the USA" label has become a novelty rarely seen and usually accompanied by hollow patriotic cheers.  Manufacturing ability (or the will to manufacture) is of utmost importance to a society.  Globalism is a danger.

I don't believe that globalism is a danger persay, but I do believe we've taken it way too far coupled with the disposable society. 

It's not cars where I think we've gone too far... it's the plastic fork.

We as a society have decided that it is more cost/time effective to:

1. Pump oil out of the ground.

2. Ship that oil to a processing center that turns a portion of that oil into liquid Polystyrene.

3. Ship that Polystyrene to another processing facility that forms the polystyrene into a fork.

4. Cut down a tree

5. Pulp the tree

6. Ship the pulp to a processing center

7. turn the pulp into cardboard.

8. Print lettering on the cardboard and shape it into a box

9. Ship the boxes to the plastic fork factory

10. Pack the forks into boxes

11. Ship the boxes to warehouse distribution centers

12. Ship the boxes to stores

13. Drive to store to buy plastic forks

14. Use plastic fork once and throw away.

 

F O U R T E E N major steps just so we can avoid:

1. Wash the metal Fork.

 

I hate plastic forks and I avoid them whenever possible... everytime I am handed one at a restaurant all of those steps go through my mind.  They, to me, are the biggest worst example of what is terrible about globalism.... the fact that all of that can be made cheaper (Time = money) than just washing a metal fork.  The fact that Buick builds vehicles in China or S. Korea for consumption in the US is small fry by comparison. 

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16 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

^^^ I LOVE that point of view Drew...about the fork!

AWESOME insight and awareness!

Thanks... I hate our excessive use of plastic.  I got the battery cable for the Honda yesterday and it came in no less than 3 layers of plastic and a cardboard box (Plastic outside the box, the box, foam padding, plastic bag, car part)..... for the negative cable.... for a car....

It's going in an engine bay of a 14 year old vehicle.   Do they think I'm hanging it on my Christmas tree?

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1940 Ford plastic : distributor caps (2), coil housing, steering wheel, headlight switch knob, starter button. DONE!

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12 hours ago, balthazar said:

1940 Ford plastic : distributor caps (2), coil housing, steering wheel, headlight switch knob, starter button. DONE!

I'm talking about the packaging rather than the material of the part. most of those probably came in a simple box if in a box at all

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Engine bay plastics. I gots lots. 

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Plastic engine covers...

Is there a reason for them?

Aesthetics?

People dont want to see the engine as they feel wires and hoses is ugly?

Doesnt the palstic engine cover rob power through keeping the heat in instead of dissipating it?

Anyway...I hate these plsatic engine covers...even the high end Mercedes Benz ones that actually look like they were engineered to be part of the high horsepower formula...

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Sound deadening, I think mainly..and it does make the engine compartment look more tidy.  The reality is today few owners ever open their hoods..it's something done at the dealer or other service shop when changing oil, etc.  So it's out of sight, out of mind.  I think I've only had the hood open 3 times on my Jeep in the 7+ months I've had it. 

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On 11/19/2017 at 8:46 AM, oldshurst442 said:

Plastic engine covers...

Is there a reason for them?

Aesthetics?

People dont want to see the engine as they feel wires and hoses is ugly?

Doesnt the palstic engine cover rob power through keeping the heat in instead of dissipating it?

Anyway...I hate these plsatic engine covers...even the high end Mercedes Benz ones that actually look like they were engineered to be part of the high horsepower formula...

My SS AWD Trailblazer has one, it has a Performance Division metal plate on it, underneath is sound deading material plus funky vents that flow air from the top under and out the sides to take away heat.

This is not from mine, but the web, you can have GM plastic or there is a company that builds a Carbon Fiber one.

SS-Cover.jpg

SS-Cover-CF.jpg

I was told by one engineer friend at GM that today's engines use the cover to help with warm up time so it gets off the high emissions of being cold and the engines are designed to deal with the heat better. Interestings thought.

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      TOTAL TOYOTA TRUCK
      114,701
      112,130
      2.3
      2.3
      1,284,527
      1,159,696
      10.8
      10.8
      Selling Days
      25
      25
          280
      280
          DSR = Daily Selling Rate
                   
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