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Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

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Hey to those of you actually interested in this car - test drive it, but buy it in Canada, have it delivered there and then import it back into the U.S.

For some inexplicable reason, the car fully loaded in Canada is priced $5000 less nominally. That's before you factor in exchange rates. We Canadians get a massive discount on this car. Also, missing features like a 360 degree camera are included in the Canadian market car.

Seriously - it's the SS car Chevy stopped making, Ford cannot possibly build without sinking billions, and Chrysler won't make for atleast another 4 years, if they even try to remake the Charger or 300 on the Giulia platform.

Kia is by introducing this car the last holdout in the affordable RWD performance 4 door grand tourer.

 

 

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The Kia Stinger is a grand tourer and concentrates first and foremost on a comfortable driving experience. There are quite a few luxury amenities and it's a very quiet car. It's not supposed to be a four door Camaro or Mustang. I can see how it may annoy some people that Kia has a rear wheel drive car that can hit 60mph in 4.4 seconds and run 1/4 miles in under 12 out of the showroom. That kind of thing isn't supposed to happen. But it's nice that it does - and it's nice that Kia is offering this to people who don't mind a Kia badge.

It's certainly true that Canadians are getting a much better deal and have almost every option available in other places. The only thing they're missing is a suspension option only available, to my knowledge, in Australia. I don't believe the Canadians get the same warranty we get here, however.

The most wanted feature missing from our Stingers is Surround View Camera. I'm not sure why they left out this feature (and a few others, like wireless charging) but I have to imagine it has something to do with the Genesis G70...

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13 minutes ago, Sal Collaziano said:

and run 1/4 miles in under 12 out of the showroom.

It most certainly does not do that. If so, do you have a link to said review/test? 

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2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It most certainly does not do that. If so, do you have a link to said review/test? 

It's been done so many times at this point that I don't know where to begin. These guys got a 12.7 but only mustered a 4.8 0-60...

 

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1 hour ago, Sal Collaziano said:

may annoy some people that Kia has a rear wheel drive car that can hit 60mph in 4.4 seconds and run 1/4 miles in under 12 out of the showroom.

 12.79 seconds is totally NOT  under 12 seconds.

That is .79 seconds and that is a whole lot.  That does not mean that 12.79 seconds in the quarter mile is not fast, because it is.  

But...saying the Stinger does the 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds  means that the Stinger is an 11 second car.  But these guys did the 1/4 mile in 12.79 seconds....that is quite a big gap for the Stinger to be an 11 second car. In fact, its a high 12 second car. 

Meaning, the way you presented  the Stinger, you made it seem like it belonged in the 11 sec bracket. Its a 12 second car.  Just to give you an idea, (forget about prepped tracks and slicks and barometric pressures and the like because all that plays into the times...just use the numbers for chit chatting and learning a lesson) 

Just to give you an idea...

Car and Driver 

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-dodge-charger-srt-392-first-drive-review

An Dodge Charger SRT 392  6.4 liter V8 weighing  4400 lbs producing about 485 Horsepower and 475 ft. Lbs of torque does the 1/4 mile in 12.4 seconds 

At the same publication....Car and Driver

https://www.caranddriver.com/kia/stinger

got the Stinger weighing 4100 lbs to do the 1/4 mile in 13.2 seconds @108 mph.  The Stinger has got 365 horsepower and 375 ft.lbs of torque 

(like I said...just use the numbers as a guide line...different day, different track...etc...)  

In other words...120 horses less and 100 ft.lbs less resulting in 1 full second less in the 1/4 mile...

The Dodge Charger Hellcat again from  Car and Driver

https://www.caranddriver.com/dodge/charger-srt-srt-hellcat

...at 4550 lbs with a 6.2 liter supercharged V8 producing 707 horsepower and  650 ft. lbs of torque 

does the 1/4 mile with standard tires but prepped track in 11.4 seconds @ 128 mph.

 

Taking the two Chargers...same car with different powertrains...it took 222 horses and 175 ft.lbs of torque to gain 1 full second in the 1/4 mile...

Meaning...the Stinger needs a whole lot of horsepower and torque than what it has to achieve under 12 second runs...

Car and Driver got 13.2 seconds. The Aussie guys got 12.79 seconds...its believable...the Stinger might have had slicks or it was a prepped track or the weather heavily favored that run...but to say the Stringer is an under 12 second car....well....for that to happen...at 4100 lbs...it probably needs close to Hellcat horsepower and torque...in other words....at least 600 horsepower...

Just to show you further...

From Car and Driver 2000 December (keeping it stable and constant with the test resource) 

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/slp-trans-am-10th-anniversary-firehawk-road-test-review

A 10th Anniversary SLP Trans Am producing 335 hoprsepower and 350 ft./bs of torque from a 5.7 liter V8 weighing 3576 lbs (very  close to Stinger numbers albeit weighing considerably less)  did the 1/4 mile that particular day  in 13.6 seconds @106 mph... 

As a guide line...  aprox. 300-350 horsepower and 300-360 ft.lbs of torque on cars weighing 3500-4000 lbs  will produce high 12 second to low 13 second 1/4 mile cars...

(I remember quite well  that a 4rth generation LS1 Camaro ...same as that Trans Am...did constant 1/4 mile runs  in the high 12 seconds...)

Like I said...Just numbers....to be used as a guideline...and that is why @ccap41 questioned you...

And no, I dont think he is annoyed about the Stinger numbers....I aint either. Its pretty cool actually that KIA offers us a car like this!!!

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Well that's my facepalm of the day and what I get for rushing. I meant to say something like "runs 12 second 1/4 miles out of the showroom". Yes, of course, if it were running anything like 11.99 or under and cost anywhere near $50k, that would be tremendous news...

 

I'll come back and read this rest tomorrow. I'm out of time for today - but I HAD to come back and correct that error...

20 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

that is why @ccap41 questioned you...

And no, I dont think he is annoyed about the Stinger numbers

Also, I never said he (ccap41) was annoyed at anything. I said, "I can see how it may annoy some people" - that wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I actually wrote that line before he began participating in the discussion...

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23 minutes ago, Sal Collaziano said:

 

Also, I never said he (ccap41) was annoyed at anything. I said, "I can see how it may annoy some people" - that wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I actually wrote that line before he began participating in the discussion...

I never said that you did. 

I just mentioned that because you mentioned that before any discussions were made. Im  just reassuring you that he and I were not annoyed with the Stinger's numbers and all we want is sound discourse. 

 

 

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Our whole conversation at this point is just one big accident because I should have never said the car does the 1/4 in under 12 seconds. Total accident and I apologize for wasting your time. All that you wrote up there - should have never happened... I've been running a Stinger community for an entire year and never once said (or even remotely believed) the Stinger was anything but a high 12 second/low 13 second car. It was just a slip of the brain that my statement came out that way. My fail of the year.

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A sub 13 sec quarter mile and a sub 5 sec 0-60 time...hard to imagine those numbers and Kia in the same sentence..fascinating times we live in..

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@Sal Collaziano

I dont do numbers anymore.

I dont argue about them either. When someone INSISTS on one car being faster than another and then proceeds to tell me that that car is better than the other JUST BECAUSE of said numbers I just ignore. I am NOT saying that is what you did here. Nor am I accusing you of anything, I am just telling you how I am and how I deal with numbers. 

I know that numbers change from day to day and from track to track and all kinds of factors are involved. Factors like the test drivers for instance. Skill also plays a role with numbers. 

Just to let you know, I was not offended by any of your comments, nor did I judge you negatively in any way.  I just wanted sound discourse and I want us to continue with sound discourse in the future, you and I. 

I did not mean anything by my posts to you. I just wanted you to understand why I and CCAP questioned the "under 12 seconds" remark. 

I just wanted to point out and correct the discrepancy. Nothing more, nothing less.  

You should post in here more often as I enjoy reading your posts!!!  

 

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14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

And no, I dont think he is annoyed about the Stinger numbers....I aint either. Its pretty cool actually that KIA offers us a car like this!!!

Not at all! I dig the car and it is a very quick car. I wouldn't mind owning one second hand, to let somebody take the depreciation hit because I couldn't spend 40-50k on one of these. 

13 hours ago, Sal Collaziano said:

My fail of the year.

Hey, if your fail of the year was in December, it must have been a pretty good year!

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I wonder if AWD changes the numbers much.  In Canada I think AWD is standard, 80% of power to the rear.  I really love the SS, but it never sold here so this Kia is pretty awesome to me.

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

You should post in here more often as I enjoy reading your posts!!! 

Thank you. :)

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Hey, if your fail of the year was in December, it must have been a pretty good year!

Haha. Yeah, I'm typically pretty good with my 0-60's and 1/4 mile times but this one just slipped while I was doing too many things at once. If Kia ever comes out with a car running sub-12's, that would be some serious competition for big names in the industry...

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1 hour ago, Sal Collaziano said:

If Kia ever comes out with a car running sub-12's, that would be some serious competition for big names in the industry...

i could see that happening when they're running AWD EV's in a car similar to this. The instantaneous torque will get some crazy times in the future. Buuuuut I don't think they'd be alone at that point. 

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If the Stinger is successful, maybe they will do a higher power version down the road..Stinger Wasp or something like that... the Stinger sounds like a fun car, some spicy kimchi.  Looking forward to seeing one in person. 

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Amazing how fast Kia has supported the 3rd party performance parts market.

https://www.carid.com/kia-stinger-performance-parts/

Seems you can also find plenty of ECU tuning that can give you from 40 BHP or more depending on how radical you want to get.

https://www.tuning-wizard.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=362

So based on just a basic ECU Tune, you would have the turbo 4 banger go from 255HP to 295HP. Twin Turbo V6 would go from 365HP to 405HP.

That would make a whole lot of fun with just an ECU Tune.

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20 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Ehhhhh That's not the kind of aftermarket support I would trust with my car. 

The Dial ECU Tune or parts add on by yourself or both?

I can say that I have never used a Dial ECU tune before, but have replaced my own chip with a custom Tune ECU chip and saw big differences right away.

Or are you an OEM Performance parts person only?

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54 minutes ago, dfelt said:

The Dial ECU Tune or parts add on by yourself or both?

I can say that I have never used a Dial ECU tune before, but have replaced my own chip with a custom Tune ECU chip and saw big differences right away.

Or are you an OEM Performance parts person only?

I'm not OEM-only at all but that site just seemed sketchy, waaaay too cheap for a tune, and it's a piggy-back style system that, to simplify it, tricks the ECU instead of actually reprogramming the ECU. I just don't feel comfortable doing things like that. 

The idea of a dial seems fantastic but I'd rather buy a "canned" tune if I'm not sending my car to a dyno tuner. 

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8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I'm not OEM-only at all but that site just seemed sketchy, waaaay too cheap for a tune, and it's a piggy-back style system that, to simplify it, tricks the ECU instead of actually reprogramming the ECU. I just don't feel comfortable doing things like that. 

The idea of a dial seems fantastic but I'd rather buy a "canned" tune if I'm not sending my car to a dyno tuner. 

I totally agree with all you stated. I myself have not used the company listed, but surprised at how fast someone got something on the market.

I will say that I do like the dial tune ECU custom chip package where you replace the OEM ECU with one that starts at OEM programing and yet also go up to full power ECU and back if you need MPG over Power.

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16 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I totally agree with all you stated. I myself have not used the company listed, but surprised at how fast someone got something on the market.

I did a little searching and it seems like people are trying things and parts already, which is cool. Hopefully the aftermarket grows with this car but I bet it'll be pretty small. 

This was a good little read and they made some pretty significant gains with intake, catback, and a tune. 

https://stingerforum.org/threads/stinger-gt-3-3tt-mods-begin.1062/page-2

17 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I will say that I do like the dial tune ECU custom chip package where you replace the OEM ECU with one that starts at OEM programing and yet also go up to full power ECU and back if you need MPG over Power.

Absolutely! My Mustang I had dyno tuned but I had it on a handheld tuner so I could go back and forth when I wanted to was like a 5 minute process to go back and forth. If I could have had it from fuel economy to performance in a couple seconds, that would be FANTASTIC. Although, I know m fuel economy tune would be on 87 octane and performance would be on 93 so that would never really work for me.

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      Rimac has established themselves as a leader in high-performance electric vehicle technology and as an electric sportscar manufacturer. The company continues to deliver EV technology supporting many industry partners, including Hyundai Motor Group, to accelerate their way towards an electric future.
      Hyundai Motor, Kia Motors and Rimac will work closely together to develop an electric version of Hyundai Motor’s N brand midship sports car and a high-performance fuel cell electric vehicle. “Rimac is an innovative company with outstanding capabilities in high-performance electric vehicles,” said Euisun Chung, Executive Vice Chairman of Hyundai Motor Group. “Its startup roots and abundant experience collaborating with automakers combined with technological prowess makes Rimac the ideal partner for us. We look forward to collaborating with Rimac on our road to Clean Mobility.” 
      Founder and CEO of Rimac Automobili, Mate Rimac said: “We are very impressed by the Hyundai Motor Group’s vision and prompt and decisive initiative. We believe that this technology partnership will create maximum value for our companies and their customers. Rimac is still a young and relatively small but fast-growing company. We see a strong investor and technology partner in Hyundai Motor Group and believe that this collaboration will charge the company’s position as a Tier-1 electrification components supplier to the industry. 

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    • By William Maley
      From the strange bedfellows' file; Hyundai and Kia have announced a joint investment of 80 million Euros (about $90 million) into Croatia-based Rimac Automobili. Rimac may be known to most people for the fast Concept One electric supercar - the vehicle which Richard Hammond had a serious crash when filming The Grand Tour.
      "The companies will work closely together to develop prototypes for an electric version of Hyundai Motor's N brand midship sports concept car and a high-performance fuel cell electric vehicle. Hyundai Motor Group will leverage the partnership to build on its existing R&D capabilities to meet its electrification plan, which includes deployment of 44 eco-friendly models by 2025," Hyundai said in a statement this week.
      Hyundai has been teasing the idea mid-ship sports car for the past few years with a number of Veloster based concepts like the RM16 N. Maybe something could come to fruition with the help of Rimac.
      What does Rimac get out of this deal? This will allow the company to grow into a Tier 1 supplier for the industry for electric components. 
      Source: Hyundai, Rimac


      HYUNDAI MOTOR AND KIA MOTORS INVEST 80M EUR IN RIMAC AND ESTABLISH A TECHNOLOGY PARTNERSHIP
      Hyundai Motor to invest 64M EUR; Kia Motors to invest 16M EUR; Rimac and Hyundai Motor Group form a technical partnership to collaborate on two high-performance electric vehicles by 2020 SEOUL, ZAGREB, 14 May 2019 – Hyundai Motor Company and Kia Motors Corporation have jointly invested 80M Euros in Rimac Automobili (Rimac) - the Croatian high-performance electric vehicle technology and sportscar company. The companies have announced a strategic partnership to collaborate on the development of high-performance electric vehicles.
      With the new collaboration underway, Hyundai Motor Group aims to speed up its transition towards Clean Mobility and position itself as a global leader in driving this change in the industry.
      Rimac has established themselves as a leader in high-performance electric vehicle technology and as an electric sportscar manufacturer. The company continues to deliver EV technology supporting many industry partners, including Hyundai Motor Group, to accelerate their way towards an electric future.
      Hyundai Motor, Kia Motors and Rimac will work closely together to develop an electric version of Hyundai Motor’s N brand midship sports car and a high-performance fuel cell electric vehicle. “Rimac is an innovative company with outstanding capabilities in high-performance electric vehicles,” said Euisun Chung, Executive Vice Chairman of Hyundai Motor Group. “Its startup roots and abundant experience collaborating with automakers combined with technological prowess makes Rimac the ideal partner for us. We look forward to collaborating with Rimac on our road to Clean Mobility.” 
      Founder and CEO of Rimac Automobili, Mate Rimac said: “We are very impressed by the Hyundai Motor Group’s vision and prompt and decisive initiative. We believe that this technology partnership will create maximum value for our companies and their customers. Rimac is still a young and relatively small but fast-growing company. We see a strong investor and technology partner in Hyundai Motor Group and believe that this collaboration will charge the company’s position as a Tier-1 electrification components supplier to the industry. 
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