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What I make per year $52,559

I only included 7 months because I know you guys hate paying us for all of the holidays we supposedly get (I spend mine planning and grading papers) and not paying us for our "summers off" we are required to spend taking workshops and professional development classes, which comes straight out of our pockets by the way.

So basically, yes.  I'd rather be a babysitter.  As you can see its far more lucrative than the career I chose.  Its also a career I do not regret choosing, and I am not complaining about my salary, but I do think that others not in education should not take teachers for granted.  If it wasnt for teachers you wouldnt be where you are today. 

Mister Chief
Middle School Science Teacher

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If I worked near home that is pretty much what I would make per year working 50 weeks.. 50 hours avg. week! Edited by Cremazie

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I'm not really going to get into this whole argument too much, but I'll just say that my mom who works at a school district with about 400 kids is making around 33,000 per year and there are talks of the school district closing or consolidating in five years since enrollment is dropping. The flight out of rural areas and the budget cuts are killing the quality of life of some of the smaller towns around where I live. Our teachers don't get the respect they deserve and Bush's "No Child Left Behind" policy is making it even harder for small school districts to survive. Suburban schools may be doing great, but inner city and rural districts are in bad shape with no sign of getting better. I was lucky enough to go to a school district that was large enough to get decent funding, but all the other districts around me are a mess financially....I feel for the communities and teachers there.

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Now I was just accused of not putting any effort into my life.


Did I say that? About my parents, yes. You, no. I don't know much about your work life other than that you never went through college. From the sounds of it, you're doing pretty good for not doing so. My parents are stuck making about $30,000 a year combined... I don't want to end up like them. That's why I believe going to college is the only way to have a decent life. It almost garantees it. Which brings me to the "Cioncidence maybe?" comment that probably confused you. I meant about college beliefs and blue collar-white collar beliefs. That's it and if I have once again get your beliefs wrong, I'm sorry. I'm going off memory and implication.

I'm not really going to get into this whole argument too much, but I'll just say that my mom who works at a school district with about 400 kids is making around 33,000 per year and there are talks of the school district closing or consolidating in five years since enrollment is dropping. The flight out of rural areas and the budget cuts are killing the quality of life of some of the smaller towns around where I live. Our teachers don't get the respect they deserve and Bush's "No Child Left Behind" policy is making it even harder for small school districts to survive. Suburban schools may be doing great, but inner city and rural districts are in bad shape with no sign of getting better. I was lucky enough to go to a school district that was large enough to get decent funding, but all the other districts around me are a mess financially....I feel for the communities and teachers there.


That's the situation here in Brookville. I think, but I'm not sure, teachers here generally get paid around $25,000-$35,000.

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Wow, angry response. I dunno why you are angry with all the swear words in your post. You attacked and belittled Paolino's and my entire profession. You don't have to be angry when you attack and belittle someone or something about someone. You just have to use generalizations about a large group of people. I never said you attacked me. I said you called me out on the carpet, just like you said you did in your post. Obviously you did not understand my math problem. If I had 105 students per class I would have over 700 students in one day. That would have changed my "cliche" math problem. Also, for someone who has heard about that babysitter thing many times, and having it get old, you sure did take alot of time in looking at that math problem to misunderstand it enough to find something to nail me on.

I will not take the time to tell you in my own words how you attacked and belittled my profession because I went one better and quoted you directly from your own post. So forget that. I'm not going to fall into the heresay trap of accusations and assumptions. I didn't assume anything in my response to your posts that called me out by name numerous times. I quoted from you directly to keep from that, and now you ask me to make assumptions. Make up your mind. sir.

I believe you also said in your post you have a seven figure worth. If you really have that much worth then your argument is nil because you have enough money to pay the taxes on your home. It shouldn't even be an issue.

There are very few jobs where you are trained to do that particular job in college. There are lawyers, doctors, teachers, engineers, pharmacists, and a few more I cannot think of right now. They all make subsantially more than teachers do, yet we are specifically trained for that job. I am not saying we should be paid the same amount as those jobs, but it does say something about a teacher's place in one's community. In most communities, the school is the center of the town. With No Child Left Behind (NCLB), schools are losing funding and having to close. This depletes the resources in the town and people move away because the town no longer offers a good education to their students. Mustang84 made a great point.

Chief

Woa ! Talk about making assumptions and accusations. Attacking ????? Damn and I wasnt even pissed off, a teachers strike does piss me off however I quess, but I wasnt pissed off. Didnt even piss actually. I thought I was nice, I guess saying teachers live well above the average income of the familys they teach was an attack ? Tell you what, how about showing me one attack that I wrote, just the sentence please not complete quotes from paragraphs. I need to visually see one of these attacks. I addressed you because I was responding to what you said, same as I would in a conservation. I call that respect but I was probably brought up wrong.  I would never and do never PM anyone, thats coy and something I consider wrong.  An oath/vow of Poverty?????? Wheres that, that they take the vow of poverty ? 40 thousand for a degree is nothing compared to 10 years of being paid 10 thousand less than you are worth which is common throughout the country. Im worth 7 figures too but hey no one knows it. Im sorry you need to do that certificate BS, that is going on in nearly every profession in the country, it is just another form of pick pocketing, someone needs your money thats all.

Being how somehow I became the subject of such anger for calling teaching as I see it and believe it is I must believe I was totally wrong.

Ok teaching is a shit gig, vows of poverty, nothing but long hours, work work work, always vote yes for the school budget, even when it takes $500,000 more to run the system this year that it did last. Dont question it, just believe it is an investment in your childrens future, so what if your monthly school taxes are more than a mortgage was 15 years ago, no big deal, theres nothing up.

I am truely sorry I grew up on the inside, I should not have spoken, apparenty the life I saw and lived in was kinda twilight zone. I believe those teachers are doing the right thing F'in up the school year, its that investment in your childrens baby sitting dollars hard at work. Wonder what those teachers did all summer ? Maybe they should have been applying at the Burbs during lunch time at their summer classes. They were probably busy shopping for clothing for their students...... Now I suppose that could be considered an attack but hey "Im soooooooooo smart"

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I'm not really going to get into this whole argument too much, but I'll just say that my mom who works at a school district with about 400 kids is making around 33,000 per year and there are talks of the school district closing or consolidating in five years since enrollment is dropping.  The flight out of rural areas and the budget cuts are killing the quality of life of some of the smaller towns around where I live.  Our teachers don't get the respect they deserve and Bush's "No Child Left Behind" policy is making it even harder for small school districts to survive.  Suburban schools may be doing great, but inner city and rural districts are in bad shape with no sign of getting better.  I was lucky enough to go to a school district that was large enough to get decent funding, but all the other districts around me are a mess financially....I feel for the communities and teachers there.

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Whoa, well that is another ball game, there is no reason that they should be cutting services, small area or not, education is very important and the investments made should remain, don't downsize and undersize! And on the 33 grand a year, I may have said 50's are ok, but less than that is not good... teachers should not make any less than 50 grand/year, it is an important job

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Oh boy, I dont know how this topic came to this. I was not belittleing teaching but it appeared that way anyhow. Then I got caught between two attacks on two different issues, one where a few thought I felt Union workers deserve to make a good living and somehow I felt Teachers didnt and therefore had double standards. SO Im getting attacked and tied up in a knot by that misunderstanding and in the mean time I have two teachers hurt and all pissed off because - Im not really sure, probably because I said they only had 180 days. Well thats show up time anyhow but Im sure I should not have said 180 days because I do know life/job is not that simple. Still I believe "teaching is a good gig", now myself Id take that as a compliment. And yes teachers get alot of time off and have a short day. Now theres the supply thing, most jobs have some expenses but Ill assume because I was just told, teachers spend lots on supplys. Art teachers maybe, elementary school teachers maybe, but not in our district nor in the one I grew up in. All that stuff is in school and what isnt we are told to buy for our kids. Im not really sure what supplys are needed anyhow so Im a little lost on that one. I just dont remember needing much for Math, Social, English, art used supplys, Science used supplys for labs, I never saw Coach buy balls or gloves but maybe ? Shop or what they now call "technology" materials must be paid for by parents. AND I hope your not pissed off becasue of what I said about (" The rural teachers are pissing and moaning") wanting what suburban teachers earn because that is exactly what is going on in this rural school district. Every time budget gets kicked down we have to go to the "big" meeting and get told about how much the Suburban teachers make and how much the Suburban accessment rate is and how it will be an investment in our childrens future. Now this is an attack I suppose but could you tell me, does this mean that if a teacher doesnt get their raise they will give a poor quality education to the kids ? So Paulie ( I realize now that because I used his name I am attacking him) anyhow Paulie that is what I meant about your rent problem and having covered that in the paragraph about Rural/suburban. It simply meant the standard of living and cost of living are completely different according to areas. Please excuse that "attack and belittlement" I remember when once, awhile back Paulie mentions he was a teacher and I thought "cool" cause I can relate having been around so many but somehow we can forget all about that now, ey ? And I was asked by someone I cant mention because its an attack why Im so mad now and swearing, geeze, I could just about kick and storm all over the house about this crap, its gotten so out of control, doesnt anyone else get pissed off when what they say is turned into something it was not meant to be ? Thanks guys for your cooperation in trying to understand what I was really saying. Yet I must endure a massive amount of comments about deserving little because of that nasty college word. well Ill tell you I am a contributer, I have worked hard my whole life and I know many others that have and I just believe we all deserve a good living. [Is that the first time Ive said that ? Fair share thing ?] But yet no one can hear what Im saying. How about this, maybe this will sink in. Union blue collar workers make a good living and should, the rest of us below them are underpaid. Teachers make a good living and should and the rest of us below them are underpaid fair enough ? Your right Chief (sorry for the attack) I did not look at that "problem" you presented for more than 4 seconds and immeadiatly drew the conclusion that you did all students all hours. Now I look at it and it still throws me. "$5/hr X 7 (hours) = $35 $35 X 105 = $3,675 (per week) $3,675 X 5 = $18,375 (per week) $18,375 X 7 = $128,625 (per year)" It looks like you came up with 35 per student @ $5 for 7hr $35 X 105 gives per day for all students but I see you have (per week) but then you take what I assume is a per day fee and multiply that by a 5 day week and get another (per week) figure, now I see the problem that should be (per month) and then 7 months - OK well it threw me, I went no further than the 18,000 (per week) - God would someone just shoot me So do you figure teachers should make 130 thousand just to round it up ? wonder what our per thousand accessment rate would be then ? Total tax bill ? 600 a month ? Then what would become of rent ? See it just gets uglier by the minute but thats OK because somehow that is my fault at least in this topic. Then for the anti Union, blue collar folks (not the teachers) would this mean, assuming $52,000 is accurate for "labor" work, which it would be at 25 per hour, does this mean they are over paid or would they now be underpaid? because a teacher would be making somewhat better than 100% more :( See Im totally against that large of a separation for all worthy contributing "ants" or "puppets" as I have sometimes called us. Well at least now you all have determined I am Damien himself :unsure: Really thanks alot guys for all the great interpretations of my extremely toiled posting, thanks a friggin lot. I grossed 50 something one year, it was 60 percent overhead though (materials and supplies), oh well I felt like ...... well, Damien himself. :( Rock on brothers, I do so hope you love what you do for life, thats what its all about anyhow, just some of us can make decent living at our "port" and some of us struggle.

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Union blue collar workers make a good living and should, the rest of us below them are underpaid.

Teachers make a good living and should and the rest of us below them are underpaid

fair enough ?

This is what I disagree with. Just because someone only makes $20,000 a year, that doesnt automatically make them underpaid. Someone can be underpaid who makes $100,000 a year, and someone else making $20,000 a year can be overpaid, depending on their job, and level of skill it takes to do their job.
We cant just raise salary of the person making $20,000 a year because he cant live on that much. There is a difference between underpaid, and not getting paid enough to live on. We cant just raise the pay of everyone to $50,000 a year. The only thing that would accomplish, is raising the price we pay for everything. If fast food workers start getting paid $50,000 per year, that burger that cost $1 before is now going to cost $4. So they may be making more, but the actual amount they can buy with their money will not change. Then the people that were making $50,000 before, would actually be able to buy less with their money.

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Thats sad Caddy, sounds like you would promote going back to the fuedal system. I mean I understand the burger flipper thing but the way you devalue human life and worth is just maybe death campish. There is all kinds of things about each and every job or task that some that can do others cant stand to do. You mention skill level like thats all its about and its so so arogant, some of the most highly skilled jobs are the low pay jobs. Some people attack we the lowly by saying we feel we are owed something but yet everyone that posts on these subjects will act like the college stay entitles them or that they are owed something just for that. You know its true just think about how many times its actually said. Well I spent ____ on my college education and Im underpaid. Well I could look at many of the college boys and wonder what makes them worth a cent and thats a for sure and anyone thats been around knows it. So you dont support pay raises for the lowly but Im sure your good with the latest real estate inflation. the doubled and triples school taxes, the doubled and tripled insurance rates, the doubled and tripled utility rates, the doubled gas price, ect, ect ? Its all so amusing. We just had a post about teachers wages having been "frozen" since sometime in the 90's well guess what, welcome to where so many others in America are, many have even been downgraded. I choose to have a much broader view of human worth and value than you. I believe I am a better man just for that alone. Thanks for the boost you have givin my outlook on myself, I was prior feeling kinda Damien ish. Perhaps you are the anti Christs son ? [that was not a dig that was the truth, I was feeling very lowly for all the horrible things I said about teachers to become the subject of so much redicule and wondering if I was worthy of the air I breath] Look this man is worht 20,000 and this one here is worth 10 times that interesting to be so so so special

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Thats sad Caddy, sounds like you would promote going back to the fuedal system. I mean I understand the burger flipper thing but the way you devalue human life and worth is just maybe death campish. There is all kinds of things about each and every job or task that some that can do others cant stand to do. You mention skill level like thats all its about and its so so arogant, some of the most highly skilled jobs are the low pay jobs. Some people attack we the lowly by saying we feel we are owed something but yet everyone that posts on these subjects will act like the college stay entitles them or that they are owed something just for that. You know its true just think about how many times its actually said. Well I spent ____ on my college education and Im underpaid. Well I could look at many of the college boys and wonder what makes them worth a cent and thats a for sure and anyone thats been around knows it.

So you dont support pay raises for the lowly but Im sure your good with the latest real estate inflation. the doubled and triples school taxes, the doubled and tripled insurance rates, the doubled and tripled utility rates, the doubled gas price, ect, ect ?

Its all so amusing. We just had a post about teachers wages having been "frozen" since sometime in the 90's well guess what, welcome to where so many others in America are, many have even been downgraded.

I choose to have a much broader view of human worth and value than you. I believe I am a better man just for that alone. Thanks for the boost you have givin my outlook on myself, I was prior feeling kinda Damien ish. Perhaps you are the anti Christs son ?

[that was not a dig that was the truth, I was feeling very lowly for all the horrible things I said about teachers to become the subject of so much redicule and wondering if I was worthy of the air I breath]

Look this man is worht 20,000

and this one here is worth 10 times that

interesting to be so so so special

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You got all that from what I said? I wasnt talking about the worth or value of the person, I was talking about the value of the job being done. I didnt say they are scum because they make $20,000 a year. I said the job they do allows them $20,000 a year, for whatever reason. Maybe thats the job they choose because they dont care about making more, or having a more demanding job. Thats their choice. I didnt say they are scum for making that choice. We live in a capitalist economy. If you want to make enough money to make a living on, that is up to you. Never did I say a person making $100,000 a year is worth more, or a better person than someone making $20,000 a year. Not every person with a college degree should be entitled to make more money either. You twisted everything I said to reflect the person themselves, when I was specifically talking about the job they do. A job is only worth so much, and if thats not enough for you, get the skills needed for a job that pays enough.

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