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Yup, I really just hate that they had a winning product in the Fusion and Focus, and now because of being perpetually behind the product curve, they’ve just stopped trying in North America.

Ford’s investors are to blame, and I know that Bill Ford is not exactly happy with this either. They got rid of Fields on a whim, and then Nair was chopped out. 

I truly believe that Nair was actually dust binned because he must have had a heated argument with Hackett. There’s really nothing else that makes any sense, the ‘inappropriate’ behaviour was probably a cover, or spin of the actual story. 

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12 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

The voice of reason!

This time I am not I’m afraid.

I was a closet Ford fan, no not the late mayor of Toronto obese conservative politician...

And everything Bong said about Ford’s management was pretty much spot on. If he was here now, I’d tip my hat off and say that’s a wise gentleman right there.

f@#k the Continental. f@#k it. The only reason I liked for was I thought they had good nameplates that if properly paid attention to could really compete against the best, and they’ve just decided that trucks are their only game. Well they can take their 6 year old EcoSport, 6 year old Escape, 3 year old Edge, 7 year old Explorer and their 5 year old Ranger and shove them up the FSeries butt...

 

The Mustang is just the last one left, and if that’s the case then I imagine one day it’ll be a crossover much like what Mitsubishi did with their Eclipse.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

This time I am not I’m afraid.

I was a closet Ford fan, no not the late mayor of Toronto obese conservative politician...

And everything Bong said about Ford’s management was pretty much spot on. If he was here now, I’d tip my hat off and say that’s a wise gentleman right there.

f@#k the Continental. f@#k it. The only reason I liked for was I thought they had good nameplates that if properly paid attention to could really compete against the best, and they’ve just decided that trucks are their only game. Well they can take their 6 year old EcoSport, 6 year old Escape, 3 year old Edge, 7 year old Explorer and their 5 year old Ranger and shove them up the FSeries butt...

 

The Mustang is just the last one left, and if that’s the case then I imagine one day it’ll be a crossover much like what Mitsubishi did with their Eclipse.

 

 

To me it really started going south with the 1977 thunderbird and never came back.  Evetything from then on into the current era seemed to be a cost cutting special that rotted on the vine until it was near fecal in nature. 

Yes the Fiesta and Focus ST were nice but other cars outclassed them and their economy car roots showed through like the black roots on a bad 1980s hair coloring job...

And the mediocre hair jobs of 1980s high school girls and the millions of Tempos and Tauruses Ford built are equally forgettable. 

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We had a black Ecosport Titanium Enterprise rental returned today, customer parked it directly in front of the door :rolleyes: so I jumped in it to park it properly.  I don't want one.  Why would anyone want one when the Titanium is like $29k... and an Escape SE 4WD is like $27-$28k?  You give up leather seats but you gain SO MUCH MORE

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finally thought of a metaphor I like:
tell your significant other that you're going to divorce them in 2 years...
...and see how those two years 'GO' for you
&tho
file under "Silence is Golden::DUCT TAPE is silver"
@Ford.com: Jim Farley's message to dealers/video
where he '''walks back''' much of their [kill-all-cars] announcement ...practically-a-retraction imho

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Somebody needs to tell you that Mercury for 2020 is as likely as Oldsmobile for 2020: not gonna happen.  Sorry.

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13 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

 

f@#k the Continental. f@#k it. The only reason I liked for was I thought they had good nameplates that if properly paid attention to could really compete against the best

I just never understood this mentality. No offense. It was clearly touted by some that the Continental would put the CT6 on the truck.. if for no other reason than it had a name, let alone a name of yore. Not only has the more expensive.. non-named CT6 (2467)  sold more than the Continental/MKS (2427), but it did so while the actual true Conti competitor, XTS (almost 4898 sales YTD), outsold the Lincoln more than 2:1... while being on the same lot. I think that very often the people who trumpet a return of certain things. are the every same people who don't buy when new.. and still wait til the car is a new generation to buy used. I maintain that the Continental is a plush car inside.. but boring as fuck in every other possible way. I'd buy one if.. and only if.. it was 50% off.. the only American luxo fullsize available new or used.. and I was pushing 80 years old. Luckily there are Tauruss, Impalas, LaXs, XTSs, and CT6s (in order of least luxuriously desirable) rolling off the factory floor weekly

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On 4/26/2018 at 12:13 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

Welcome back man! You certainly picked an interesting day to return..... hope you're feeling better.

Actually, no they don't.  I'm going to wait to present my reason why.... I'm going to put all of my thoughts on this into a single OpEd.

Thanks, feeling ok and still kicking. As for the timing, it was the headline from Ford that made me comment - couldn't let that go without saying something. That said, there is almost nothing for me to talk about these days when it comes to new cars and trucks. I pretty much hate them all. They are hideous, they cost way too much, the manual trans is all but extinct, same for 2-door anythings, same for RWD, same for V8s... so there is simply nothing there for me.

 

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1 hour ago, Camino LS6 said:

Thanks, feeling ok and still kicking. As for the timing, it was the headline from Ford that made me comment - couldn't let that go without saying something. That said, there is almost nothing for me to talk about these days when it comes to new cars and trucks. I pretty much hate them all. They are hideous, they cost way too much, the manual trans is all but extinct, same for 2-door anythings, same for RWD, same for V8s... so there is simply nothing there for me.

 

But you have so many options in older, cheaper used auto's you can then customize and have as a special rarely seen beauty. I think you should import a used 1993 Ute to be your new ride!

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I really love it in Green!

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Had I the 120k to do it, an HSV Maloo LSA would be in my driveway right now. Fastest production truck in history. Yes,yes...

 

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3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

But you have so many options in older, cheaper used auto's you can then customize and have as a special rarely seen beauty. I think you should import a used 1993 Ute to be your new ride!

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I really love it in Green!

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Those are recent Holden Utes, though...the ones from the early 90s are pretty sedate...

 

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8 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Those are recent Holden Utes, though...the ones from the early 90s are pretty sedate...

 

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DOH, yes you are right, I should have been more descriptive of my older model. Amazing they did make a 1993 Ute Marloo.

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2 minutes ago, Camino LS6 said:

Should my ship unexpectedly come in, I'll be handed wads of cash to these guys:

http://www.lefthandutes.com/

Those are cool..I did see one G8-nosed Ute and a G8-nosed wagon in Arizona a few years ago, don't know who did the conversion, may have been those guys. 

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Seems Ford could be in a WORLD of hurt as an F150 parts supplier had a fire and now they are critically low on key parts and might have to stop production this week or next for an extended period of time on their Trucks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-is-scrambling-to-limit-the-impact-of-stopping-f-series-production/ar-AAwYR7A?li=BBnb7Kz

Production is already halted at their Kansas production plant this week. Michigan plant could be closed by Friday or early next week.

Seems Ford could be hurt big time by having a single critical parts supplier. OUCH

Considering that the dash parts are also used in SUVs I would think this could hurt them elsewhere too, but the Trucks, their #1 selling item could hurt the bottom line big time.

Bet who ever decided a single supplier is fine is under some pressure now. Wonder if it is a bean counter? 🤔

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22 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Bet who ever decided a single supplier is fine is under some pressure now. Wonder if it is a bean counter? 🤔

How many suppliers does GM, Ram, Toyota or Nissan have for their truck instrument panel components? 

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8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

How many suppliers does GM, Ram, Toyota or Nissan have for their truck instrument panel components? 

I'd assume a single supplier is the norm today after decades of consolidation in the industry..

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2 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

I'd assume a single supplier is the norm today after decades of consolidation in the industry..

Exactly what I would assume as well. That would also help them with consistency and costs, i'd think. 

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2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Exactly what I would assume as well. That would also help them with consistency and costs, i'd think. 

And the just-in-time inventory, etc.. 

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@ccap41 & @Cubical-aka-Moltar I would have to disagree, if you have multiple plants building the same product line, JIT would imply that you would have multiple suppliers with one dedicated to each plant. This way if disruption does happen, you have another supplier that can ramp up production.

I do like you both wonder about how many suppliers the OEMs have.

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So, just to get this straight, you would want each vehicle to have multiple suppliers for each part that is made? You do realize how absolutely insane that would be from an economics standpoint that would be and how many problems in quality you'd be running into? 

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

So, just to get this straight, you would want each vehicle to have multiple suppliers for each part that is made? You do realize how absolutely insane that would be from an economics standpoint that would be and how many problems in quality you'd be running into? 

It's risk mitigation and yes it is done in the industry.  Just ask GM (ignition switches, most were fine, some were bad, but they had no way of knowing which supplier built which),  just ask Toyota (US built gas pedals were bad, Japanese built gas pedals were fine), just ask VW (Mexican built Golfs have build quality issues related to parts tolerances, German built GTIs are noticeably better quality.)

There are limits to this of course, but having multiple suppliers for the same part is not unheard of. 

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