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Jeep has introduced a new three-row SUV for the Chinese market called the Grand Commander.

There is a lot of design inspiration from the Yuntu concept shown at the Shanghai Motor Show last year. The Grand Commander has squared-off corners, large glass area, and front-end styling similar to the Grand Cherokee. In terms of dimensions, the Grand Commander is about two inches longer in overall length than the Grand Cherokee. But it is two-inches narrower than the Grand Cherokee.

Only one engine will be available, a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder with 230 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque. This is sent through a nine-speed automatic to either the front wheels or four-wheel drive system. Underpinning the model is FCA's Compact U.S. Wide (CUSW) platform.

The Grand Commander is expected to go on sale sometime later this year.

Before anyone asks, this is not the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer that is expected sometime in 2020 or so.

Source: Motor Authority


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I was hoping for so much more. :( 

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So based on the Cherokee...transverse 4cyl?  Has the unfortunate FWD based front axle to door length issue.      But since it's not for the US, it's a moot point.   Other pics of it show some weirdness around the rear window--the back edge of the c-pillar doesn't line up with the rear window/hatch opening, so there are cheesy black trim pieces on each side of the rear window...ugh. 

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Another reason it looks so odd...the wheelbase is almost 5 inches shorter than the GC.    Another odd factoid--the wheelbase is the same as the old Grand Wagoneer (110 inches).   Not sure why they would do a 3 row on such a short wheelbase.   Remember the Commander from a decade ago?  Had an even shorter wheelbase. 

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I have to say, this is kind of growing on me over time.  It would never be a replacement for the Grand Cherokee, but I think it still might have a place in the Jeep lineup to let the JGC move up market.

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59 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Maybe with a facelift it could be the next Dodge Journey...

I'm guessing we don't see it here.  If this is indeed a stretched Cherokee, it is unlikely it would meet US side-impact standards.

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I think they should do a Comander or Wagoneer 3 row SUV that is like a Traverse/Explorer competitor, that doesn't matter if it is it front drive the a turbo 4.  But they should also have a Grand Wagoneer that is like a 3-row more luxurious version of the Grand Cherokee.  More like a Yukon Denali competitor on the latter.

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43 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I think they should do a Comander or Wagoneer 3 row SUV that is like a Traverse/Explorer competitor, that doesn't matter if it is it front drive the a turbo 4.  But they should also have a Grand Wagoneer that is like a 3-row more luxurious version of the Grand Cherokee.  More like a Yukon Denali competitor on the latter.

On the first one, why should they dilute the brand like that? Just for volume? Every Pacifica clone with a Jeep grille and standard doors would devalue the premium that the JGC can sell at.

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8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I think they should do a Comander or Wagoneer 3 row SUV that is like a Traverse/Explorer competitor 

The Pacifica and Durango fill the family hauler niche, Jeep doesn't need to go there..

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10 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

On the first one, why should they dilute the brand like that? Just for volume? Every Pacifica clone with a Jeep grille and standard doors would devalue the premium that the JGC can sell at.

Jeep Grand Cherokee doesn't have a 3rd row, so it is already off the radar of about 500,000 buyers or more.  VW, Subaru, Honda, Toyota, Mazda, GMC, Ford, Chevy, Buick all make a 3 row SUV.  Jeep does not.

2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

The Pacifica and Durango fill the family hauler niche, Jeep doesn't need to go there..

What happens when the Chrysler brand dies and Dodge might also?  And they don't sell Chrysler and Dodge in international markets or at least not in any measurable volume.

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On 4/26/2018 at 12:24 PM, William Maley said:

Before anyone asks, this is not the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer that is expected sometime in 2020 or so

This line makes none of this matter... 

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The First Robo Cop movie, the Original  was a telltale sign of the future. They talked about Big is Better and Room inside is King The all new 6000 SUX, a hybrid or pure electric CUV.

I can see a limited market for Cars in the Future, SUV/CUV/Truck will be KING as we meet fuel standards via the new power trains.

Welcome to the Future!

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Jeep Grand Cherokee doesn't have a 3rd row, so it is already off the radar of about 500,000 buyers or more.  VW, Subaru, Honda, Toyota, Mazda, GMC, Ford, Chevy, Buick all make a 3 row SUV.  Jeep does not.

What happens when the Chrysler brand dies and Dodge might also?  And they don't sell Chrysler and Dodge in international markets or at least not in any measurable volume.

I fully expect a 3-row from Jeep... but making it a vanilla crossover with no off-road capability isn't the way to go about it. 

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Yeah that's not the Jeep way. If they offer a Trailhawk version in the baby Renegade..They'll have one in their range topper as well. 

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19 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Yeah that's not the Jeep way. If they offer a Trailhawk version in the baby Renegade..They'll have one in their range topper as well. 

I don't expect a rebadged and rebodied Pacifica to get the Trailhawk rating... but that type of vehicle is what SMK is suggesting. 

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12 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I don't expect a rebadged and rebodied Pacifica to get the Trailhawk rating... but that type of vehicle is what SMK is suggesting. 

No I am not, it could be a fwd or rwd platform it just has to have 3 rows and interior like a base Grand Cherokee or higher trim Cherokee.  The Renegade, Compass and Cherokee are on fwd car platforms so I don’t see what the difference is on platform when that is what they do now.

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FWD platforms but not necessarily "car" platforms. 

The Grand Cherokee and Wrangler are on RWD platforms... if that's what they do now, why change? 🙄

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3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

FWD platforms but not necessarily "car" platforms. 

The Grand Cherokee and Wrangler are on RWD platforms... if that's what they do now, why change? 🙄

Well the Renegade and Compass are built on this platform:

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And the Cherokee is built on this platform:

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So if they could make that work, I am sure they can find a platform out of the FCA parts in that can produce a 7 passenger SUV for $35k that is as good off road as a Cherokee.

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Why would they want that when they're trying to keep Jeep a more premium brand? 

The vehicle in this article isn't going to be made for this market so I'm kind of confused on all of the hoopla over it in general.

The Grand Wagoneer is what we will get and that'll be a big 7 seater. 

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3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Why would they want that when they're trying to keep Jeep a more premium brand? 

The vehicle in this article isn't going to be made for this market so I'm kind of confused on all of the hoopla over it in general.

The Grand Wagoneer is what we will get and that'll be a big 7 seater. 

They could make a different vehicle for this market, the Durango is a 3 row SUV, they can make a Wagoneer out of that, and make some Escalade or Navigator competitor for a Grand Wagoneer.  

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      Powertrain
      Under the CX-5’s hood is a 2.5L four-cylinder producing 187 horsepower and 186 pound-feet (up one from the 2017 model). Mazda has added cylinder deactivation for the 2018 model that allows the engine to run on just two cylinders to improve fuel efficiency. This is paired with a six-speed automatic and all-wheel drive. For the Tiguan, Volkswagen has dropped in a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder engine producing 184 horsepower and 221 pound-feet of torque. An eight-speed automatic and all-wheel drive complete the package.
      With a higher torque figure and being available between 1,600 to 4,300 rpm, the Tiguan should leave the CX-5 in the dust. But at the stoplight drag race, the CX-5 bests the Tiguan thanks to a sharper throttle response and a steady stream of power. The Tiguan’s turbo-four gets hit with a double-whammy of turbo-lag and a somewhat confused eight-speed automatic transmission, making it feel anything but eager to get off the line. As speeds climb, the story changes. The Tiguan’s engine feels more willing to get moving whenever you need to make a pass or merge onto a freeway. The CX-5’s engine runs out of steam and you’ll need to really work it to get up to speed at a decent rate.
      Fuel Economy
      The EPA says the 2018 Mazda CX-5 AWD will return 24 City/30 Highway/26 Combined, while the 2018 Volkswagen Tiguan AWD returns 21 City/27 Highway/23 Combined. Both models returned high fuel economy averages; the CX-5 return 28.5 while the Tiguan got 27.3 mpg during my week-long test. Both models were driven on mix of 60 percent city and 40 percent highway.
      Ride & Handling
      When I reviewed the 2017 Mazda CX-5, I said that it carried on the mantle of being a fun-to-drive crossover set by the first-generation. Driving on some of the back roads around Detroit, the CX-5 felt very agile and showed little body roll. The steering provides sharp responses and excellent weighting. The sporting edge does mean a firm ride, allowing some road imperfections to come inside. Not much road or wind noise comes inside.
      Volkswagen took a different approach with the Tiguan’s ride and handling characteristics. On rough roads, the Tiguan provides a very cushioned ride on some of the roughest payment. This soft ride does hurt the Tiguan when cornering as there is slightly more body roll. But that doesn’t make the Tiguan a bad driving crossover. The chassis feels very willing when pushed and the steering provides a direct feel.
      Value
      The 2018 Volkswagen Tiguan SE AWD begins at $30,230. This particular tester came to $31,575 with the optional Habanero Orange Metallic and fog lights. But the 2018 Mazda CX-5 Touring comes with more equipment such as radar cruise control, lane departure warning, 19-inch wheels, LED headlights, and power adjustments for the driver for only $2,175 less than the Tiguan SE’s base price. You can add navigation, Bose audio system, and sunroof as part of $1,200 Preferred Equipment package. When it comes to the midlevel, it is no contest as the CX-5 walks away.
      The script flips however when you put the 2018 CX-5 Grand Touring under the microscope. The AWD version begins at $30,945 and with a few options such as the Soul Red paint and Premium package, the vehicle seen here comes to $34,685. But you can get into the Tiguan SEL AWD that adds adaptive cruise control, power liftgate, and navigation for only $2,295 less than our as-tested CX-5. While the CX-5 does offer more of a premium interior, the larger interior and slightly better infotainment system give the Tiguan a slight edge.
      Verdict
      It feels weird to describe the verdict between the two compact crossovers as a decision to satisfy your desires or needs. The 2018 Mazda CX-5 falls into the former as it boasts a handsome look that very few models can match, luxurious interior, and handling characteristics that make you feel like you’re driving a sports car. As for the Tiguan, it falls in the latter camp by offering a spacious interior, smooth ride, and a better infotainment system. I consider these two to be the best-in-class. But deciding which one is better will ultimately come down to deciding whether to give into your wants or needs.
      Disclaimer: Mazda and Volkswagen Provided the vehicles, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2018
      Make: Mazda
      Model: CX-5
      Trim: Grand Touring AWD
      Engine: 2.5L DOHC 16-Valve Inline-Four
      Driveline: Six-Speed Automatic, All-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 187 @ 6,000
      Torque @ RPM: 186 @4,000
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 24/30/26
      Curb Weight: N/A
      Location of Manufacture: Hiroshima, Japan
      Base Price: $30,945
      As Tested Price: $34,685 (Includes $975.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Premium Package - $1,395.00
      Soul Red Crystal Paint - $595.00
      Illuminated Door Sill Plates - $400.00
      Retractable Cover Cover - $250.00
      Rear Bumper Guard - $125.00
      Year: 2018
      Make: Volkswagen
      Model: Tiguan
      Trim: SE 4Motion
      Engine: 2.0L Turbocharged 16-Valve DOHC TSI Four-Cylinder
      Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, All-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 184 @ 4,400
      Torque @ RPM: 221 @ 1,600
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 21/27/23
      Curb Weight: 3,858 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Puebla, Mexico
      Base Price: $30,230
      As Tested Price: $31,575 (Includes $900.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Habanero Orange Metallic - $295.00
      Front Fog Lights - $150.00

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