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Ford News: Rumorpile: A Four-Door Ford Mustang?

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27 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

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I could totally see them diluting and destroying what brand equity they have left in the Mustang by offering an SUV variant and a sedan variant.

I could totally seem them doing that, trying to synergize on brand equity.    Over at GM, if it were well executed, I could see a Corvette sedan and CUV to take on the Panamera and Cayenne.  Those would be likely more successful efforts than Mustangization...

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4 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Ford has given up on selling sedans under 40k.  Old news. Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Taurus all gone soon in NA...

Deciding to stop selling sedans in the future is an entirely different thing than a claim that 'Ford can't sell them now'.

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9 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Deciding to stop selling sedans in the future is an entirely different thing than a claim that 'Ford can't sell them now'.

Immaterial.  Ford has given up on their sedans, sales now have no meaning.  Just pushing remaining discontinued cars out the door.

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6 hours ago, ccap41 said:

That's not a BOF SUV. No chance you fit in that. 

I have a plasma cutter and a blow torch...that roof is only so attached.

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A Mustang sedan need not be called Mustang.  You could try Falcon or Galaxie from Ford in the 1960s.

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4 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

A Mustang sedan need not be called Mustang.  You could try Falcon or Galaxie from Ford in the 1960s.

Problem is those names don't have the broad brand recognition or associated retro styling cues that Mustang does.   Same reason Dodge went with Charger instead of Coronet or Polara...

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3 hours ago, smk4565 said:

And come 2020, that list will read:

Mustang 66,000

So ridiculous, hopefully what is left of them is bought out by a company with decent management and deep pockets before they do more self harm.  

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Immaterial.  Ford has given up on their sedans, sales now have no meaning.  Just pushing remaining discontinued cars out the door.

The way smk's post read was :: *Ford is cancelling their car lines because they "can't sell them"* when obviously that's not remotely the case.

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Just now, balthazar said:

The way smk's post read was :: *Ford is cancelling their car lines because they "can't sell them"* when obviously that's not remotely the case.

Can't continue to sell them profitably here is apparently is the case...

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Torino 4dr hatch and wagon like a 70 or 72 gt sport two of the best looking mid sized Ford's that were also very sporty , the hatch would be what Ford's thinking I'm betting

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I'll go on record here and also go against my usual take : I think Ford could do a really well done 'Mustang sedan' and that it would be worth looking hard at. The iconic status of the model is very powerful and the GT is already quicker than a Panamera.

Of course a sedan version would gain weight.

Of course there are numerous power level upgrades from the GT. ;)

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6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I'll go on record here and also go against my usual take : I think Ford could do a really well done 'Mustang sedan' and that it would be worth looking hard at. The iconic status of the model is very powerful and the GT is already quicker than a Panamera.

Of course a sedan version would gain weight.

Of course there are numerous power level upgrades from the GT. ;)

I agree, I think a Sedan could do very well as well as a wagon. I think using aluminum and balsa-wood core like the corvette to keep them lite weight would allow them to build a strong competitor to the German, Asian and American brands.

At least no one is trying to do this to the Muttang! :roflmao:

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I would rather have this

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We could end up with this:

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This kinda reminds me of a better looking Tesla X

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59 minutes ago, frogger said:

So ridiculous, hopefully what is left of them is bought out by a company with decent management and deep pockets before they do more self harm.  

Or let them self destruct and let more worthy companies live.

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9 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Or let them self destruct and let more worthy companies live.

I'm good with that, I have no sentimental feelings for any commercial enterprises.. Governments don't seem to want to let things play out though..

 

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Ford can't sell cars and make a profit I guess is the best way to say it.  Probably the only way they get sales volume is discounts and fleet sales.  

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30 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Ford can't sell cars and make a profit I guess is the best way to say it.

Best way to say what?? What you think is the case or what Ford had officially stated is the case?

Please point me to the release that says Ford makes no profit on any of the proposed discontinued car lines. If there is no such known document, you can't say "both" to the above question.

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Why is this thread getting so much activity? There’s been Mustang sedan wishful thinking and perhaps even rumours in the past.

 

It’s not happening and if it did the car will never be a Mustang. And I know that if anything this is one of Jim Farley’s pipe dreams.

 

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I would agree it's 'not happening' except for 2 factors. IF Ford drops every sedan, or even more extreme; every car except the Mustang, there remains a very real likelyhood that Ford will look to amortize Mustang costs somehow. The other factor is that the market has shifted measurably in the last few years, enough that it has thrown all sorts of 'guaranteed' & 'safe' segments up in the air.

This, from a person who hated it when the Grand Prix added a 4-dr, and that then was on a vehicle with far less resonance than the Mustang has now.

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7 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

Why is this thread getting so much activity? There’s been Mustang sedan wishful thinking and perhaps even rumours in the past.

 

It’s not happening and if it did the car will never be a Mustang. And I know that if anything this is one of Jim Farley’s pipe dreams.

 

Hate to say it but the Market dynamics have shifted and 2 doors are a very limited appeal. As @balthazar has stated, the only way to amortize the cost is going to build 4 door performance sedans, wagons and CUVs based on Muttang DNA.

Think of it this way, Mustang will be the Pontiac Excitement division of Ford. What Pontiac should have been under GMC. Performance cars and nothing else.

If they do not do this, mustang will be dead in the near future, 5-10 years from now.

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I don't agree that it'll be dead, there will always be Hi-Po 2-drs available, and Ford certainly can choose to run the margin thin on future Mustangs if that were the case. 66K/yr is far more than most similar vehicles, and frankly I was surprised to see how low the 'stang starts MSRP-wise. I would've thought they started around 35K.

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15 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Also....I think your numbers are messed up. Your numbers are in october for benz and through october for Ford. You are giving Ford nine extra months of sales.

Sorry, that wasn't supposed to be the case. I misread their October statement.

286,040 is the correct number through October.

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11 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Or let them self destruct and let more worthy companies live.

Government won't let that happen. We already know that. ;) 

8 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

Why is this thread getting so much activity? There’s been Mustang sedan wishful thinking and perhaps even rumours in the past.

 

It’s not happening and if it did the car will never be a Mustang. And I know that if anything this is one of Jim Farley’s pipe dreams.

 

Probably because they finally have a worthy enough platform under the skin. A solid rear axle would have been a mess of a sports sedan. 

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