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Well, mine are Arizona dogs.  2nd winter in Ohio, but this winter so far is mild compared to last year. 

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On 1/4/2019 at 6:27 PM, balthazar said:

Dave- you keep trotting this out as if it were unequivocal. 1. Early 1900s autos were not taken on long trips- there was zero highways and very very few paved roads; you actually couldn't get very far if you wanted to. They were only used for occasional local drives; they were not depended on as transportation by & large. 2. You discount the then-plentiful farms having various fuels on hand, and early cars were simplistic enough to run on a variety of fuels. There was no range anxiety back then.

Still, a number of determined motorists completed cross-country trips in the very early years:
https://www.wired.com/2016/05/tale-epic-coast-coast-road-trip-1903/

I will have to agree to disagree, we have history but nothing other than a few stories of coast to coast trips and there people like EV drivers of today probably planned to be in places where there were no fuels and farms DID NOT have storage systems of various fuels like today as you point out there were not really any transportation systems. 

So yes I do believe there were drivers who wanted the new ICE technology to replace their horses but also had range anxiety till better roads were built and gas stations were built.

Today we have a far superior infrastructure of ability to even slow charge EVs and I believe the switch to EVs will happen much faster than it was to ICE.

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Farms were the norm, and they often had tractors before automobiles, plus kerosene for heaters, etc. 'Storage systems' = fuel can. My point was the average household both was more likely to have fuel to offer, as well as more likely willing to offer it. But 99% of the early cars were used for local pleasure trips. People very very seldom 'commuted'- they either worked on their/a local farm/ lived in town/ rode horses long distances/ took a train. Many many Model Ts were put to work as a farm vehicle as opposed to transportation.

I am seeing different numbers but I'll go with the most common- a Model T had a 10 gal tank and got about 15 MPG (I see estimated from 13-21, but remember; this is at very low speeds), so that 150 mile range is still better than 75% of todays' BEV's range (fiat 500e : 84 miles).

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Car of the Century!!!  Take THAT GM!!!

Oh wait, the thread is about Mark Reuss becong GM's new Prez...

 

 

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On 1/4/2019 at 7:12 PM, dfelt said:

I am not aware of any ICE auto that can refill in 3 minutes with 300 miles of range.

Any compact car?  Just the fillup process itself of 10-11 gallons doesn't take more than 3 minutes. It probably takes as long to put the card in, type in zip code or PIN and tell it I don't want a car wash as it does to put the gas itself in. 

I'll be getting gas in the next couple of days. Hopefully I can remember to time it. 

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I keep seeing this argument over trying to force an EV into a ICE use pattern.  That is faulty thinking. To successfully switch to EVs, one must change the way one thinks about fueling.  With the exception of free Supercharging, "filling up" while out on the go is much more expensive than "Filling up" at home. 

With an EV with the range of the Bolt or any Tesla, there should nearly never be "filling up" while out and about.  Plug it in at home and start every morning with a full tank. 

If you don't have a place to plug in at home, then an EV is not for you. Buy an ICE or Hybrid.

If you regularly drive more than 250 miles in a day, then an EV is not for you. Buy and ICE or Hybrid.

If 90% of your driving is less than 100 miles one way and you have a place to plug in at home, then an EV might work for you.

EVs make excellent second cars in a multi-car family. Something used for daily commuting that uses no gasoline while the gasoline powered family truckster gets used for road trip duties. 

They make an excellent first car for someone who doesn't do road trips.

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19 hours ago, balthazar said:

Farms were the norm, and they often had tractors before automobiles, plus kerosene for heaters, etc. 'Storage systems' = fuel can. My point was the average household both was more likely to have fuel to offer, as well as more likely willing to offer it. But 99% of the early cars were used for local pleasure trips. People very very seldom 'commuted'- they either worked on their/a local farm/ lived in town/ rode horses long distances/ took a train. Many many Model Ts were put to work as a farm vehicle as opposed to transportation.

I am seeing different numbers but I'll go with the most common- a Model T had a 10 gal tank and got about 15 MPG (I see estimated from 13-21, but remember; this is at very low speeds), so that 150 mile range is still better than 75% of todays' BEV's range (fiat 500e : 84 miles).

Why would you even bother with compliance cars that only get sold in California?  They are the equivalent of putting a small gas engine in a horse carriage... so compare it to the Curved Dash, not the Model-T. 

Look at the real EVs that were purpose-built. The Model S, Model 3, Chevy Bolt were all purpose-built to be EVs, just like the Model-T was purpose-built to be an automobile rather than a horseless carriage. 

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

There is no reason we can't have a mix of ICE and EVs and Hybrids.

Until the day when they ban fossil fuel powered cars, well sales of new ones anyway.

EV will eventually put ICE engines out of business.  Just like the car replaced the horse, natural gas and clean energy replaced coal, streaming music replaced CD's which replaced  tapes, which replaced records, etc.  

We can have a mix now, but I feel like come 2030 the gas car will be pointless.

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3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Until the day when they ban fossil fuel powered cars, well sales of new ones anyway.

 

Make me think of the Motor Law and outlaws driving red Barchettas...

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Why would you even bother with compliance cars that only get sold in California?  They are the equivalent of putting a small gas engine in a horse carriage... so compare it to the Curved Dash, not the Model-T. 

Look at the real EVs that were purpose-built. The Model S, Model 3, Chevy Bolt were all purpose-built to be EVs, just like the Model-T was purpose-built to be an automobile rather than a horseless carriage. 

That's why I said '75% of the BEVs available today'; it's representative of the state of the segment currently (rather than the optimum). But I get your point regarding the better ones.

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The Tesla Model 3 sold more units in December than the Cadillac ATS and CTS combined sold in all of 2018.  I think the electric car is very viable.  

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9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Tesla Model 3 sold more units in December than the Cadillac ATS and CTS combined sold in all of 2018.  I think the electric car is very viable.  

When are you getting one, or did you already spring for one?  PICS PLEASE.

That's funny that every single YouTuber that has bought a Tesla has had problems.

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On 1/5/2019 at 6:58 PM, ocnblu said:

Certain breeds really need them.  One should always wrap his wiener, for example.

Indeed...

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37 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

When are you getting one, or did you already spring for one?  PICS PLEASE.

That's funny that every single YouTuber that has bought a Tesla has had problems.

Tesla is out of my price range, plus I would rather save up for a Mercedes electric car that will not have big panel gaps or problems.  But regardless of Tesla build quality they are the hottest product out there.  

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On 1/5/2019 at 3:58 PM, ocnblu said:

Certain breeds really need them.  One should always wrap his wiener, for example.

German wieners run hot, minimal if any wrapping is required! :P 

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13 hours ago, dfelt said:

German wieners run hot, minimal if any wrapping is required! :P 

I could go for a currywurst w/ a side of spaetzle, and a pint of Warsteiner.  Going to have to go to Hofbrauhaus downtown soon. 

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12 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I could go for a currywurst w/ a side of spaetzle, and a pint of Warsteiner.  Going to have to go to Hofbrauhaus downtown soon. 

The Olive Garden of German food...

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13 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The Olive Garden of German food...

Heh-heh..I like them...got a good local place even closer, though...Das Schnitzel Haus in Parma. 

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On 1/7/2019 at 10:21 AM, ccap41 said:

Any compact car?  Just the fillup process itself of 10-11 gallons doesn't take more than 3 minutes. It probably takes as long to put the card in, type in zip code or PIN and tell it I don't want a car wash as it does to put the gas itself in. 

I'll be getting gas in the next couple of days. Hopefully I can remember to time it. 

Turn the volume down/off as there’s a fire truck rolling past. 

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3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Turn the volume down/off as there’s a fire truck rolling past. 

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Thank you for posting, I wish APPLE would follow industry standards, MOV format just does not play on anything well except apple, lucky for me I have the VCL player installed.

WOW, just $20 to fill up, amazing, I honestly cannot remember ever filling up an auto for less than $65 to 70 dollars or more. Cool, so 10 gallons in a minute for what an estimated 300 mile range? Cool.

I just plug in my auto at night once I get it and every morning the tank will be full. ;) 

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You're so amazed, it's like you grew up in a far-off land where ICE vehicles were not 100% the norm.  Really?

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2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

You're so amazed, it's like you grew up in a far-off land where ICE vehicles were not 100% the norm.  Really?

And you are living in the 20th century where they will be the norm forever...so one of you is living in a far off land and one of you is living in a former Century.

As far as Wieners go, I like ?Dirty Franks here in Columbus, great selection of hot dogs. If you folks ever come by, I will treat you to a dog there and an Cold beverage of your choice!

http://dirtyfrankshotdogs.com/

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21 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

And you are living in the 20th century where they will be the norm forever...so one of you is living in a far off land and one of you is living in a former Century.

As far as Wieners go, I like ?Dirty Franks here in Columbus, great selection of hot dogs. If you folks ever come by, I will treat you to a dog there and an Cold beverage of your choice!

http://dirtyfrankshotdogs.com/

Linky to Dirty franks.

Sounds tasty.   Charlie's Dog House is a couple miles from me here in Cleveland, tasty hot dogs.

 

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On the subject of gas stations and filling up, I encountered a pump last week that took about a minute a gallon...after 10 min, I had put in 10 gallons and gave up.  Slowest pump I've ever seen. 

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11 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Sounds tasty.   Charlie's Dog House is a couple miles from me here in Cleveland, tasty hot dogs.

 

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On the subject of gas stations and filling up, I encountered a pump last week that took about a minute a gallon...after 10 min, I had put in 10 gallons and gave up.  Slowest pump I've ever seen. 

It's Ohio...everything moves slower in the cold.

...and you came to me last time...I need to see you next time I am up in Cleveland.

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