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2 hours ago, William Maley said:

I'm kind of feeling this way as my week goes on with the Regal GS. I do like the various improvements Buick has made, but I feel they could have done. Its a great grand tourer, but a sports sedan that Buick is trying to present... Not quite so much.

and it's funny because all the car press reviews kind of say the same thing, too.

2 hours ago, William Maley said:

I'm kind of feeling this way as my week goes on with the Regal GS. I do like the various improvements Buick has made, but I feel they could have done. Its a great grand tourer, but a sports sedan that Buick is trying to present... Not quite so much.

read these and it sort of sums it up nicely

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a21272878/2018-buick-regal-gs-test-review/

the last paragraph of that one in particular ^^^^  and these parts 

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So, too, is the GS overall. While this Regal is 202 pounds lighter than the last all-wheel-drive GS we tested back in 2014, its curb weight still nears two tons. By comparison, a front-drive, four-cylinder Regal Sportback we tested was 394 pounds lighter.

Buick makes life even harder for the GS by fitting the standard Sportback with the turbocharged 2.0-liter four from the previous-generation Regal Turbo and GS models. Making 250 horsepower, the four-pot scoots a front-drive Regal to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds, quicker than Acura’s 290-hp TLX and Toyota’s 301-hp Camry. In the fight between the GS’s substantial mass and its 60-hp boost over the Sportback, the engine loses. Despite the advantage of an all-wheel-drive launch, this sportiest Regal is only 0.2 second quicker to 60 mph than its Sportback sibling.

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The GS isn’t an extravagantly improved Regal, which is sort of okay given how composed the base car drives. It’s just false advertising.

http://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/20324/2018-buick-regal-gs-review-a-sporty-chassis-let-down-by-its-drivetrain

https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-buick-regal-gs-is-surprisingly-great-1826640692

there is such a dearth of sports sedans that really do venture into sport sedan territory and we GM fans had so hoped this might actually be one.

I am very looking forward to all Williams thoughts when he is done driving it.

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7 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

“The Stinger is a Kia”. With all due respect, you are way underestimating the Stinger. At least Kia will sell a RWD four door with some balls to it, IN A CUV DOMINANT MARKET, while GM pulled their best RWD sport sedan (the SS, which I love btw) because well, they never really gave it a fair shot in the first place. The point is further evidenced that there is no planned replacement for it (the SS) either, despite the possession of a viable RWD platform to on which to create one so your “GM chooses to bring new platforms to the market and kill old ones that have been around for 10 years” argument. Well, where is it? Also, if they like dumping 10 year old platforms, then explain the Cascadia and every other Buick that has been borrowed from the now defunct Opel? I get that you’re a huge GM fan and there are plenty of GM cars and trucks that I do like but they have laid some rotten eggs as well as having held on to old ness for longer than need be. Every car company has done it from where I stand. Just laying out some reality here.

 

I won’t even get into the XT6. Seriously, I never get in one of those.

Despite what U think.. GM has 3 RWD vehicles currently available that are in my experience.. better than the dead SS. Not my fault they make U pay to play.  Then again.. I guess with the SS they did too. As even that was normally was like $40-55K.

 

 

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Seeing a Stinger first hand, I’m pretty darn sure the GT would mop the floor with GS, and give a good fight to th A4. love the way the GS looks, but not as much from there...Hands down the Koreans are not playing, just dusting GM enough to rush faster into the EV world with their tail between their legs ......

I honestly don’t expect GM to release anything that gets those hot chicks excited about your ride....and I can pretty much throw the new Vette in as well....simply put- GM’s heart is no longer in ICE, it’s in EV, riding sharing, scooters and go carts.....

Still enjoy a good ride? Maybe even with a bit of power?  Well, I hear FCA might still have something for you.....

Don’t see much of a future for the GS...unless you count the parking lot in front of your local American House......

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8 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Seeing a Stinger first hand, I’m pretty darn sure the GT would mop the floor with GS, and give a good fight to th A4. love the way the GS looks, but not as much from there...Hands down the Koreans are not playing, just dusting GM enough to rush faster into the EV world with their tail between their legs ......

I honestly don’t expect GM to release anything that gets those hot chicks excited about your ride....and I can pretty much throw the new Vette in as well....simply put- GM’s heart is no longer in ICE, it’s in EV, riding sharing, scooters and go carts.....

Still enjoy a good ride? Maybe even with a bit of power?  Well, I hear FCA might still have something for you.....

Don’t see much of a future for the GS...unless you count the parking lot in front of your local American House......

A little harsh on GM as a whole but not on the GS. Three pages in....no one can give me a single reason to be excited about this ride. Sad.

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1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

A little harsh on GM as a whole but not on the GS. Three pages in....no one can give me a single reason to be excited about this ride. Sad.

It's the only GM midsize AWD/FWD hatchback in the US market.  That's a unique configuration.  

I know that's a small detail, but it was all I could think of...I didn't have GM in there, but then I remembered the Audi A7 and BMW 5 series GT also are midsize hatchbacks.

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16 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Despite what U think.. GM has 3 RWD vehicles currently available that are in my experience.. better than the dead SS. Not my fault they make U pay to play.  Then again.. I guess with the SS they did too. As even that was normally was like $40-55K.

 

 

I get what you are saying but you missed the point of the post. May want to read that again. The price is irrelevant and the fact that GM has three RWD platforms illustrates my point. They have them yet they don’t fully use them. Instead, they have retreated from those platforms a bit and pushed more FWD CUVs through Cadillac of all brands, instead using those RWD platforms to put Cadillac above the likes of Acura, Volvo, and Lincoln. The most irrelevant part of your post though is the failure to realize that Kia is not nearly as bad as you think and I surely would not have said that about them ten years ago. They are reaching out with RWD cars in a CUV world while GM misses the boat and pushes FWD CUVs four to five years after they should have. 

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

A little harsh on GM as a whole but not on the GS. Three pages in....no one can give me a single reason to be excited about this ride. Sad.

I’d happily take an AWD Tour X if it had the 420HP 3.6L Turbo found in the CTS.  That would actually be a bad ass Buick. Even with the common N/A 3.6L, it’s still tempting but again, I am a wagon person. Wishful thinking though as GM just doesn’t seem interested in giving Buick some real Powertrain options, much like they are doing to Cadillac’s CUVs. The NA 3.6L will only get you so far in a turbo driven world. 

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On 2/2/2019 at 7:30 AM, A Horse With No Name said:

SSEi  Bonneville was a better looking car...more American...probably better fuel economy real world...I would hazard a guess more fun to drive. We have lost ground.

The SSEi was many of those things, but better handling was not one of them.   

Also, the highway mileage of the Lacross with this same setup is actually very impressive on a long highway with a conservative foot. I would assume the lighter Regal would do better.

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1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The SSEi was many of those things, but better handling was not one of them.   

Also, the highway mileage of the Lacross with this same setup is actually very impressive on a long highway with a conservative foot. I would assume the lighter Regal would do better.

OK....you have my attention....

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6 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

A little harsh on GM as a whole but not on the GS. Three pages in....no one can give me a single reason to be excited about this ride. Sad.

It handles better than the Fusion Sport. 

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Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

It handles better than the Fusion Sport. 

Do tell more...

1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It handles better than the Fusion Sport. 

I was very impressed with the ride of the Fusion Hybrids that I got as rentals for Debate trips.

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2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Do tell more...

I was very impressed with the ride of the Fusion Hybrids that I got as rentals for Debate trips.

The Fusion Sport's suspension gets overwhelmed if driven hard.  They're a great high power family sedan, and fantastic for long distance driving... they are not road carvers. 

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1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The Fusion Sport's suspension gets overwhelmed if driven hard.  They're a great high power family sedan, and fantastic for long distance driving... they are not road carvers. 

I didn't figure I would autocross either a Fusion Sport or the Buick in question. Destroying the tires on my daughters boyfriends 350Z would be much more fun...

Still really like the idea of a CPO Stinger in a couple of years.

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2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I didn't figure I would autocross either a Fusion Sport or the Buick in question. Destroying the tires on my daughters boyfriends 350Z would be much more fun...

Still really like the idea of a CPO Stinger in a couple of years.

The GS, even the prior gen GS, is surprisingly capable for such tasks.  While it is less true with the current generation, the prior one was one of the best balance, best handling FWD cars out there. 

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1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The GS, even the prior gen GS, is surprisingly capable for such tasks.  While it is less true with the current generation, the prior one was one of the best balance, best handling FWD cars out there. 

Interesting. Wonder what they sell for....will have to check car Guru's for CPO

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4 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

I get what you are saying but you missed the point of the post. May want to read that again. The price is irrelevant and the fact that GM has three RWD platforms illustrates my point. They have them yet they don’t fully use them. Instead, they have retreated from those platforms a bit and pushed more FWD CUVs through Cadillac of all brands, instead using those RWD platforms to put Cadillac above the likes of Acura, Volvo, and Lincoln. The most irrelevant part of your post though is the failure to realize that Kia is not nearly as bad as you think and I surely would not have said that about them ten years ago. They are reaching out with RWD cars in a CUV world while GM misses the boat and pushes FWD CUVs four to five years after they should have. 

 

Last I checked Kia/Hyundai/Genesis had a total of four RWD vehicles.. GM has almost as many under Cadillac. Do I think Chevy should get a AlphaL or Omega sedan? Hell yes, but I'm still not buying it.. My next is the CT6-V. 

Hyundai still makes $h!ty cars..  and just because they went out and headhunted the designer fromVW/ Audi doesn't make them any better. U can dress up a pig... Yada Yada..  also what world do we live in where simply having a rear wheel drive vehicle automatically makes U legit? I mean U are a known Ford fan.. I don't know how u sleep through the night knowing they only have one rear wheel drive car in their entire lineup

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4 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Last I checked Kia/Hyundai/Genesis had a total of four RWD vehicles.. GM has almost as many under Cadillac. Do I think Chevy should get a AlphaL or Omega sedan? Hell yes, but I'm still not buying it.. My next is the CT6-V. 

Hyundai still makes $h!ty cars..  and just because they went out and headhunted the designer fromVW/ Audi doesn't make them any better. U can dress up a pig... Yada Yada..  also what world do we live in where simply having a rear wheel drive vehicle automatically makes U legit? I mean U are a known Ford fan.. I don't know how u sleep through the night knowing they only have one rear wheel drive car in their entire lineup

Stinger, K900, G70, G80, G90

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9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Used 2016-2017 GSes can be had for stupid cheap prices. I see them regularly in the low $20k range. 

 

8000 miles - $25,995

Hell....that one is even an interesting color.

8 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Last I checked Kia/Hyundai/Genesis had a total of four RWD vehicles.. GM has almost as many under Cadillac. Do I think Chevy should get a AlphaL or Omega sedan? Hell yes, but I'm still not buying it.. My next is the CT6-V. 

Hyundai still makes $h!ty cars..  and just because they went out and headhunted the designer fromVW/ Audi doesn't make them any better. U can dress up a pig... Yada Yada..  also what world do we live in where simply having a rear wheel drive vehicle automatically makes U legit? I mean U are a known Ford fan.. I don't know how u sleep through the night knowing they only have one rear wheel drive car in their entire lineup

They only have one car in their projected Ford lineup....so they are one hundred percent rear wheel drive. I can dig that.

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Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

just a note that 2016 and up come with Carplay/Android Auto standard.  That's a criteria of mine.

And a good one to have. I gave up convertibles when the Miata left the stable...told myself I would switch to music to make the drive enjoyable.

14 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Used 2016-2017 GSes can be had for stupid cheap prices. I see them regularly in the low $20k range. 

 

8000 miles - $25,995

Are the Regals built in Canada at Oshewa?....it has a 2 as the first digit of the vin,

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2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

And a good one to have. I gave up convertibles when the Miata left the stable...told myself I would switch to music to make the drive enjoyable.

Are the Regals built in Canada at Oshewa?....it has a 2 as the first digit of the vin,

That generation was built first in Germany and then moved to Canada after the first year.  The current generation is built in Germany.

Most of Buick's lineup in imports these days

Regal - Germany

Cascada - Poland

Lacrosse - US

Encore - Korea

Envision - China

Enclave - US

 

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Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

That generation was built first in Germany and then moved to Canada after the first year.  The current generation is built in Germany.

Most of Buick's lineup in imports these days

Regal - Germany

Cascada - Poland

Lacrosse - US

Encore - Korea

Envision - China

Enclave - US

 

Historically this is probably the last full line ICE product lineup ever for a domestic. They have a convertible, a wagon, three
SUV's...sports sedan...

Really as full of a lineup as you might expect from someone like Mercury in 1966 or something. Impressive.

And sad that Buick cars will probably go away.

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1 minute ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Historically this is probably the last full line ICE product lineup ever for a domestic. They have a convertible, a wagon, three
SUV's...sports sedan...

Really as full of a lineup as you might expect from someone like Mercury in 1966 or something. Impressive.

And sad that Buick cars will probably go away.

Only VW could compete with (and beat, they have a coupe with the Beetle) that diversity

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Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

Only VW could compete with (and beat, they have a coupe with the Beetle) that diversity

Probably why I like both Buick and VW.

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Speaking of Buicks, stopped by my local independent mechanic earlier to pick up my sister's Trax (had an oil change and other service), and they had 3 late model Buicks parked out front, in for service or whatever...a silver previous-gen LaCrosse, a dark red previous gen Regal, and a white Lucerne.  

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