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13 hours ago, balthazar said:

 


They didn't sound like that new either - that's aftermarket exhaust, sounds like FlowMasters (founded in the '80s for sprint cars). Also available for the Hellcat, BTW. ;)
Check the comments for the Challenger video... see how many are complaining.
 

People complained about the S550(pre-'19) Mustang GT being too quiet from the factory as well. Any comparison with the Camaro SS somebody would mention the weak exhaust from the Mustang compared to the SS.

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12 hours ago, dfelt said:

Not hamstrung by electric propulsion and even if 15 to 20K higher priced, the savings on maintenance, oil, gas will easily off set and have bigger savings over a 3-5 year period than gas.

Zero chance 15-20k is paid off in 3-5 years. You're on drugs if you think an EV version of the same vehicle can pay itself off in 3-5 years. 

The owner won't even use 15-20k in gas. 

15000 miles/year

15mpg

$2.40/gallon

$7200-$12000. 

I would think 15,000 miles/year is about worse case scenario with an electric work van, too. 

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Isn't UPS buying a bunch of electric vans?  I would think UPS, Fed Ex, Amazon etc would be looking closely at electric vans, along w/ the USPS to replace the old Grumman boxes.

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36 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Zero chance 15-20k is paid off in 3-5 years. You're on drugs if you think an EV version of the same vehicle can pay itself off in 3-5 years. 

The owner won't even use 15-20k in gas. 

15000 miles/year

15mpg

$2.40/gallon

$7200-$12000. 

I would think 15,000 miles/year is about worst case scenario with an electric work van, too. 

According to FedEx and UPS you have the following details.

FedEx delivery drivers average 160 miles a day. 52 weeks in a year @ 5 days a week equal the following math (5 * 160 *52 = 41,600 miles a year driven)

UPS delivery drivers average 200 miles a day. Same formula (5 * 200 * 52 = 52,000 miles a year driven)

Pretty much most service companies average 15,000 miles a year or more so recovering a 15-20K up front cost is very realistic in the first 24 months. The formulas for LNG or CNG converted products have shown that with those fuels selling at half the price of Diesel even with the conversion cost of the motor and the LNG / CNG fuel tank costs, that most often those cost are recovered in 24 months and then bigger savings happen over the longer life due to less maintenance for LNG/CNG over diesel or Gas. I know for a fact that my brother in-laws appliance repair business they average 20,000 miles a year on the work vans. Showed him this last night and while he is put off by the Sprinter van, he did say he would be willing to buy one and see how it did on the routes. He is interested in reducing the overall costs to his vehicle fleet and would love it if Ford or GM would offer a full size electric van.

With EV vans the cost of maintenance is even lower and the cost of electricity is lower so recovering this upfront cost should be very doable in the first could years.

With examples of only 2 or 3 oil changes a year, this ignores that the more driving the more maintenance on an ICE auto. There is more than just oil changes too on an ICE auto that needs to be looked at. Brakes, differential, transmission, so much more costs on ICEV compared to EV.

23 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Isn't UPS buying a bunch of electric vans?  I would think UPS, Fed Ex, Amazon etc would be looking closely at electric vans, along w/ the USPS to replace the old Grumman boxes.

Yes, UPS, FedEx and USPS have all stated they plan to replace ICE auto's with EV's especially for inner city use or dense suburban areas. Just like they are replacing their Diesel semi's with LNG/CNG ones. All about reducing costs in maintenance, fuel and helping with cleaner air.

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9 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Those are trucks, not work vans. 

UPS, FedEx use Vans for delivery here in Washington, have not had trucks in years. Maybe they still use the old trucks around you. But the Dually wheel sprinter Van is in use here. Those are 1 ton vans that would easily be replaced by a service version of this EV van.

USPS uses a weird range of vans and other auto's around here as I have seen less and less of the old traditional white box auto who ever built them.

These are very common here in the neighborhoods making deliveries. Easily replaced by an electric version.

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Amazon Prime uses the Sprinter vans all over the west coast, easily replaced by an electric version.

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UPS delivery vans like this is what we see every day on the streets and in the neighborhoods.

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Same with Fedex

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All these ICE vans can easily be replaced by electric versions.

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Around here in the Cleveland burbs, Amazon Prime and Fed Ex use Ford Transits (and there are plenty of Amazon sub contractors in all sorts of vehicles).  UPS still has the big brown unbranded trucks.  USPS still has the ancient Grumman trucks.

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UPS uses some electric van I don't recognize in downtown Pittsburgh for deliveries.  USPS uses fleets of Promasters.  Fedex is mainly Sprinters or Transits.

The Sprinters don't seem to hold up against rust, though that's not a powertrain deficiency. 

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27 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

UPS uses some electric van I don't recognize in downtown Pittsburgh for deliveries.  USPS uses fleets of Promasters.  Fedex is mainly Sprinters or Transits.

The Sprinters don't seem to hold up against rust, though that's not a powertrain deficiency. 

UPS uses Workhorse electric vans in the US and ARRIVAL electric vans in the UK.

https://pressroom.ups.com/pressroom/ContentDetailsViewer.page?ConceptType=PressReleases&id=1525867012405-924

https://pressroom.ups.com/pressroom/ContentDetailsViewer.page?ConceptType=PressReleases&id=1441744963510-216

https://pressroom.ups.com/pressroom/ContentDetailsViewer.page?ConceptType=PressReleases&id=1446039616630-395

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why do people think they have to stand in the way of progress. if you don't want one, don't buy one. 

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