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This vs that.

 

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Well, Mary Barra has put GM in a better financial place than it has been in at least the last 25 years.  As for needing a product person to be CEO, that might be necessary IF there are no product people elsewhere in GM's C-suite.  A visionary is more required for GM than even Apple, given that Tim Cook was always a supply chain specialist rather than a visionary.

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57 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Probably going to be an XT7 to fill your wish anyway

That'll also get one engine choice and you guessed it, n/a 3.6. That'll be anther show stopper! 

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1 hour ago, dwightlooi said:

Actually, Cadillac interiors are just fine. Better than BMW's in many areas actually -- especially BMW's base trim examples. YOu have to be drunk off cool-aid to think that all German interiors are superlative. Again, this is particularly true of the plastic adorned BMW examples. MB does better, but MB also has dubious design elements like the silly iPad on dash infotainment displays.

Compare an XT6 and a BMW X5, there is nothing the Cadillac wins on.  Not styling, not interior, not technology, not performance, nothing.

44 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

This vs that.

 

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The BMW is better and that is probably the worst interior out of Q7 and GLE.  Cadillac interiors are all plastic below the elbow level and the shoe center is plastic and faux leather wrap to cover up whatever GMC Acadia parts are under it.

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51 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Compare an XT6 and a BMW X5, there is nothing the Cadillac wins on.  Not styling, not interior, not technology, not performance, nothing.

The BMW is better and that is probably the worst interior out of Q7 and GLE.  Cadillac interiors are all plastic below the elbow level and the shoe center is plastic and faux leather wrap to cover up whatever GMC Acadia parts are under it.

Actually... it is BMW's interior which is plastic intensive. Everything on the dash that's in beige is plastic. As is everything in charcoal below the arm rest. And this is on the top level trim. On the entry level trim it's vinyl everywhere and the entire upper dash is not even wrapped in anything. The interior is also cluttered and untidy from a design standpoint and the semi-tablet on dash infotainment display -- while not as silly as M-B's -- still looks like an afterthought. Exterior wise, I find the Caddy XT6's styling to be more distinct and "cleaner" than the X5's. The styling opinions are subjective; the qualitative ones are not.

As I said, I have no problems with the interior. I do preferred the previous gen Caddy styling with the vertical headlights. The one thing I have a problem with is the 3.6 LGX engine -- which is refined enough but weak for the segment and Caddy's positioning. And, as I said, the XT5/6 should offer the excellent 2.7T four cylinder as the base engine with the 3.0TT V6 as the option. The LGX 3.6 can go in the RX350 fighting Buick and the Pilot fighting GMC/Chevys.

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1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

Well, Mary Barra has put GM in a better financial place than it has been in at least the last 25 years.  As for needing a product person to be CEO, that might be necessary IF there are no product people elsewhere in GM's C-suite.  A visionary is more required for GM than even Apple, given that Tim Cook was always a supply chain specialist rather than a visionary.

There are plenty of product people in Apple too. But they are subjugated to a logistics guy who should be running FedEx or something. WTF has come out of Apple that's new and disruptive since Jobs' demise eight years ago? More slippery rounded edge phones with slightly better screens and cameras? Everytime Jobs the magician gave a keynote the world stood still in anticipation; every Tim the boring gives a keynote the world falls asleep. The point is that a car company, like a smart device company, is a product driven business. It must be product driven. The "managers" and "administrators", while necessary to keep the organization in ship shape, should be the supporting cast to the product visionary, not the other way around.

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15 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

There are plenty of product people in Apple too. But they are subjugated to a logistics guy who should be running FedEx or something. WTF has come out of Apple that's new and disruptive since Jobs' demise eight years ago? More slippery rounded edge phones with slightly better screens and cameras? Everytime Jobs the magician gave a keynote the world stood still in anticipation; every Tim the boring gives a keynote the world falls asleep. The point is that a car company, like a smart device company, is a product driven business. It must be product driven. The "managers" and "administrators", while necessary to keep the organization in ship shape, should be the supporting cast to the product visionary, not the other way around.

This +1,000,000,000,000 to the power of 10.

Totally agree, while not an Apple Fan, Jobs kept people on the edge of their seat with excitement and drove folks to spend money in the Apple Stores and Cell Phone Providers. 

That is clearly falling off as to why Apple no longer reports cell phone sales.

Mary has done great for GM in turning a Ship around and is needed to keep it in the black and on course, but she needs to let Product Visionaries drive the rest of the auto business.

In regards to Auto Visionaries, I am hoping Mary B is doing that and we will all judge it once we see Cadillac's first EV CUV. If it is spacious and luxurious to drive folks into buy, then she is balancing leadership with product driven sales.

The next 18-24 months are going to be interesting.

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Cadillac Korea is doing a live Instagram calling it Reborn CT6.

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19 hours ago, regfootball said:

i was at the auto show locally here yesterday and spent a fair amount of time looking at the Cadillacs on hand.

Cadillac had great representation in terms of people and examples of their cars.  Since they finally have the new XT4 it seemed like a lot of Cadillac interest from the show attenders, more than recent years IMO.  Most people were looking at the Escalade or XT5 and those looking at the XT5 discovered the XT4.  I have been a bit of a rag on the XT5 but admit that it is probably the core product for Cadillac right now and the one that keeps the doors open the most along with the Escalade.  And so the XT5 is positioned to sell (to the women like mentioned above by someone, c'mon this is the truth).  Looking at all the competition in one place it is true, the Cadillac interior does lack when compared to nice high end Mercedes and BMW, and then you look at Ford Edges and the like and you understand that Cadillac perceives their best sales volume to be in the squishy zone that is above the mainstream brands but not top tier.  They position their crossovers to blend some perception of luxury but not be exclusive.  I think the XT6 is needed, it's unfortunate its a frankenstein rushed to market with parts bin approach but it is far too clear that crossovers is where the sales volume is, and this is the quick way to solve that for Cadillac.

Cadillac could and should improve interiors and try to offer something more enticing in the powertrain department than just the 3.6.  Unless Cadillac can feel like they can exclusively compete in the market only in higher priced segments, we will continue to have B grade interiors and common powertrains.  On the higher trim packages the Cadillacs do make a much better impression on interiors so maybe the problem is the base level interiors that they feel they need to keep their base trim vehicles attractively priced.

EVERYONE at these shows is looking almost entirely at crossovers and trucks.  So you can understand why Cadillac may be wanting to soften the quest for excellence and just try to get stuff out there that sells while the market is scorched earth.  (I would even suggest that Cadillac should consider offering a pickup again).

I spent a lot of time in this sweet rig yesterday.  Had a nice long conversation with a gentlemen and his very young son (his son proudly said he was 'a Cadillac man too').  Heard some other people talk at length too and ask some of the reps some questions.  One of the reps told someone the CT6 will go on 'haitus' for a year or so in about a year or two and will be 'redesigned'.  Not easy to decipher if that means whole new model or if current model changes plants and gets some cosmetic surgery.  I would have taken this sweet CT6 as is exactly (although i wish it were the twin turbo).  Crystal white plus tan.  oOh yeah.

People still believe Cadillac is a large sedan brand, despite the Crossover focus, it is still clear Cadillac's stereotype is large crusing sedans.  When they have gotten away from that the last ten years or so like they have that partially explains Cadillac's faltering.  It also explains that I believe to still have a large sedan in the future is critical for brand image, crossovers be darned.  How well Cadillac does this car and the Escalade IMO will do far more to keep Cadillac's image than getting too tricky on the crossovers part.  Crossovers, just give the people what they want and cash the checks.

 

 

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Nice write up.. I would love to get the person who makes the decisions on what needs to be in Cadillac's trim portfolio, and also what needs to be presented at Auto Shows. I would definitely go at him/her with some Jack Bauer style interrogation methods.. to the point that what I see above never happened again. WHY THE f@#kKK!!! is the BASE interior out on the floor? WHY THE f@#kKK!!! does the base interior even exist? WHY THE f@#kK!!! does Cadillac even care about someone entering into the brand in their, now, sole big car at the"Luxury" car's price? This car, with Premium Lux upgrades is a legitimate 7Series competitor.. with the Platinum and V8.. S-Class competitor.. and even I will admit that it is that last combo that is really what gives it a chance to be on level with the S560.

THAT is what should have been on the floor when U got to take pics. Softer leather, Suede  headliner.. and so many more WOW qualities that make people WANT to buy. I'm continuously convinced that it is actually not the cars, the engineering.. the design.. the capabilities.. that are lacking at GM, but the IDIOTS that are left to make decisions about the wants and needs of people buying the vehicles. Hell based on the website, U can only get two combinations of color interiors on the Platinum.. but 7 combos on the Premium Lux. That makes sense to who exactly.. and even that U have to play around with. f@#kK moving from Detroit to NYC.. Cadillac actually needs to move to Atlanta or San Fran. I won't say why, but the culture there would add some "flare" to the mix. Being run by men from the mid-west just isn't doing it any favors in the interior department as far as colors.

This is what should have been on the floor..  to hell with the fingerprints and clean up after

 

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They have the interiors.. in all of their products.. its just that they have lower trims that house the stuff that gives them a bad name.. and what makes it worse.. the MORON that sends out the press cars.. the ones that get the reviews.. only likes to send out the "Luxury" models so they can advertise that it only cost "$54K." Who the hell are U selling to Cadillac? People who can buy these things with a quip of a signature at the bottom of a check.. or a SOB that is sitting there worried about his 650 Fico not getting him approved for financing? Even if.. EVEN IF!!! U still make him want it so bad he'll do anything to get there.

That interior above.. is like the one I saw a few weeks ago in a Crystal White CT6 3.0LTT Plat.. I told my guy when that comes in with a TTV8 and a V on the back.. call me. My lady concurred. Her 73 and 70 year old father and mother have a '17 S550 and the Platinum interior is easily on par with it's (the S550) beige interior.. BUT Cadillac seemingly doesn';t want U to kno this🤨

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Cadillac didn’t even have a display at the Pittsburgh auto show.   I think Cadillac needs to lose some trim levels and just have option packages.  “Platinum” trim is something Ford and Nissan do, why is Cadillac doing that?  Rolls and Bentley don’t have “platinum” or “titanium” type trims.  “Platinum” to me sounds like “Limited” from the 90s and everyone did that.  It screams of cheap.

As far as interiors go the new BMW X7 is quite nice, I sat in one of those.  

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5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Cadillac didn’t even have a display at the Pittsburgh auto show.   I think Cadillac needs to lose some trim levels and just have option packages.  “Platinum” trim is something Ford and Nissan do, why is Cadillac doing that?  Rolls and Bentley don’t have “platinum” or “titanium” type trims.  “Platinum” to me sounds like “Limited” from the 90s and everyone did that.  It screams of cheap.

As far as interiors go the new BMW X7 is quite nice, I sat in one of those.  

Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years.  But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers.  Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac.  I don't know why.

You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused. 

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43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years.  But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers.  Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac.  I don't know why.

You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused. 

That's how STL is run as well.. It's a really weak effort, for the most part. I go when I can but there is rarely anything truly NEW there. I remember two vehicles that stood out to me before they were on dealer lots and one was the Challenger and the other was the 2019 Ram 1500. 

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

 I think Cadillac needs to lose some trim levels and just have option packages.  

I hate your guts.. but I can't believe I'm saying it.. for once in a long time we are of like mind. ARGHH!!!! Who wa sin charge of Cadillac back in 2006 when this whole thing with Platinum came about? This was in fact during the BLING BLING years in Pop culture.. so that explains the metal obsession. U're right tho.. Cadillac should abandon all of this BS and actually steal one more thing from the past and offer packaging. I'd seriously call it SERIES instead of Package. Similar in the way the 7Series can be optioned (Quick point of fact.. the Series Fleetwood 75 in 1976 had a 252.2 in (6,406 mm) Wheel base, meaning its wheelbase was longer than a SUBURBAN in length from bumper to bumper)

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6 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

They have the interiors.. in all of their products.. its just that they have lower trims that house the stuff that gives them a bad name.. and what makes it worse.. the MORON that sends out the press cars.. the ones that get the reviews.. only likes to send out the "Luxury" models so they can advertise that it only cost "$54K." Who the hell are U selling to Cadillac? People who can buy these things with a quip of a signature at the bottom of a check.. or a SOB that is sitting there worried about his 650 Fico not getting him approved for financing? Even if.. EVEN IF!!! U still make him want it so bad he'll do anything to get there.

That interior above.. is like the one I saw a few weeks ago in a Crystal White CT6 3.0LTT Plat.. I told my guy when that comes in with a TTV8 and a V on the back.. call me. My lady concurred. Her 73 and 70 year old father and mother have a '17 S550 and the Platinum interior is easily on par with it's (the S550) beige interior.. BUT Cadillac seemingly doesn';t want U to kno this🤨

Actually, the Cadillac BASE trim interiors are much better than BMW or MB's base trim interiors. It is the Platinum trim levels that does not have the superfluous stuff the competition offers like 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control or external 3D views. From an trim stand point, the Platinum and Premium gets the semi-aniline leather upholstery and open pore wood (or carbon fiber) panels. The BASE gets regular leather and lacquered wood panels. BMW gives you VINYL on the base trims and M-B even makes the arm rest an extra cost option.

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14 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

Actually, the Cadillac BASE trim interiors are much better than BMW or MB's base trim interiors. It is the Platinum trim levels that does not have the superfluous stuff the competition offers like 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control or external 3D views. From an trim stand point, the Platinum and Premium gets the semi-aniline leather upholstery and open pore wood (or carbon fiber) panels. The BASE gets regular leather and lacquered wood panels. BMW gives you VINYL on the base trims and M-B even makes the arm rest an extra cost option.

the plastic on MB has to stop. They just got sued for it in the UK and lost. 

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5 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

Actually, the Cadillac BASE trim interiors are much better than BMW or MB's base trim interiors. It is the Platinum trim levels that does not have the superfluous stuff the competition offers like 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control or external 3D views. From an trim stand point, the Platinum and Premium gets the semi-aniline leather upholstery and open pore wood (or carbon fiber) panels. The BASE gets regular leather and lacquered wood panels. BMW gives you VINYL on the base trims and M-B even makes the arm rest an extra cost option.

II agree. But the truth of the matter is the base trims at Cadillac need to go. They end up working against the brand. Unfortunately Cadillac, the once great leader of luxury, has more to prove to people who would rather ignore them than take notice. Not because they don't offer luxo, but because they fumbled 20 years ago. Think about it. Cadillac was the luxury leader from 1920-1990. I'm not talking just sales.. but in actual luxury. They became complacent, rested on their rep for too long and then just like that.. perfect timing the Foreign brands swooped in and took their crown. No one can take a 1984 Cadillac Seville and then get into a 1984 S-Class and say the Benz was better. But now Cadillac is the "new comer" They have the product, they have the engineering.. they just need to "show constraint here and go full throttle there" FULL THROTTLE means the XT6 shouldn't be a 3.6L even when the actual demo will never use even that 310HP.. It should be the on the shelf 400HP engine. "The 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control" are tacky but.. its opulence.. and that is the epitome of luxury. BTW.. Cadillac does have external surround-view video and recording system

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9 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

. they just need to "show constraint here and go full throttle there" FULL THROTTLE means the XT6 shouldn't be a 3.6L even when the actual demo will never use even that 310HP.. It should be the on the shelf 400HP engine. "The 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control" are tacky but.. its opulence.. and that is the epitome of luxury. BTW.. Cadillac does have external surround-view video and recording system

I have said that the XT5/6 deserves to have the 2.7T four as the base engine (or the Eco engine if you want to put a spin on it) an the 3.0TT as the upgrade. As far as the scent dispensers, it is not opulence. It's called a GIMMICK.

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As one that has allergies and is sensitive to smells like cologne or perfumes, I couldn't imagine having it in a car..ugh. 

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

@Cmicasa the Great and @dwightlooi  ... be glad Cadillac doesn't put its own scent into its cars.  They had a scent developed and they ... unleashed it at the Detroit and LA Auto Shows..... it was like an Axe factory exploded.   Way too strong and didn't even smell great. 

I think its crazy.. like Dwight said.. a gimmick.. but to many a luxo buyer.. its something that makes their brand seem more luxo. In truth what I do to all my cars, is stick these clips in the bottom blower down by the passenger side foot-well instead of the dash vent. I don't like seeing them and this emits a scent without blasting U in the face

 

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The idea that Gimmick = Luxury will pass because it is a farce. Instead of stupid stuff like perfume dispensing HVAC, mood lighting with 5 million hues or projectors to put your logo on the ground under the door sill. $500 will buy you Rolls-Royce beating MACHINED aluminum or titanium signal stalks, switch gears and knobs, or CnC carved walnut shift knobs or relieved wooden panels. If you can get that in a $30 Rotring 600 pen you can get 30 pieces all over the cabin. That kind of thing will stand the test of time and it'll still yell exclusivity 30 years later when the only thing coming from the HVAC scent system is the smell of your old socks.

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6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years.  But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers.  Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac.  I don't know why.

You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused. 

I know it is dealer driven, but I think the only brands missing were Cadillac and Mini, and Smart, which hardly even counts.  And there are plenty of GM dealers in Pittsburgh that supported all the other stuff.

Cadillac should come up with an interior, and offer an interior upgrade package with better leather, headliner, wood, etc whatever they want to do.  Then you have a cold weather package, a technology/driver assistance package and a sports package with the beefed up suspension, brakes, styling tweaks, etc.  That is 4 packages and you offer those on every engine choice.  You can probably stand alone option upgraded stereo or panoramic roof.

I am not a fan of trim levels because if you only care about luxury and don't want a sports package or big engine, you should be able to get a 4 cylinder CTS with all the luxury and tech.  Similarly if you want the standard interior and the bigger engine, you shouldn't have to buy lane keeping assist and heated arm rests just because it is on the premium lux package.  Although with a V-series car I would throw most of that stuff in because of the low volume, you don't want 100 configurations to deal with.

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6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years.  But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers.  Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac.  I don't know why.

You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused. 

That's weird...the Cleveland show had Lincoln and Cadillac...in the same row with Volvo and Mercedes. I don't think any major brands were not not present..

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I am not a fan of trim levels because if you only care about luxury and don't want a sports package or big engine, you should be able to get a 4 cylinder CTS with all the luxury and tech.  Similarly if you want the standard interior and the bigger engine, you shouldn't have to buy lane keeping assist and heated arm rests just because it is on the premium lux package.  Although with a V-series car I would throw most of that stuff in because of the low volume, you don't want 100 configurations to deal with.

Uh... yeah... you can get the CT6 Premium Luxury with the 2.0T. Nobody bought it though. The problem with packages is that you end up with 30 versions of the car instead of 3 or 4. Some unpopular configurations end up on lots for 2 years and have to be sold at a loss or not at all. One thing you have to understand is that it is not just that the V model is a low volume car. Cadillacs are ALL low volume cars!

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      Cadillac President Steve Carlisle said "We're not talking about displacements anymore. [The new badging's] purpose is to communicate power and performance, not just for internal combustion engines, but also for other propulsion."  This is a nod to Cadillac's first all-electric model coming in 2022. Cadillac has not yet revealed what letter the electric vehicles will use. The CT6 PHEV still sold in China could potentially wear a 600 badge.
      This move by Cadillac resembles Audi's move to a horsepower based naming scheme used in Europe.
      The 2020 Cadillac XT6 will be built in Spring Hill TN and will go on sale later this year.
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