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large.36016-2020HyundaiSonata.jpgThe all-new Sonata embodies Hyundai’s Sensuous Sportiness design language with a sophisticated four-door-coupe look

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Hyundai today introduced its all-new 2020 Sonata at the New York International Auto Show, marking the North American debut of Hyundai’s longest-standing and most successful model. The eighth-generation Sonata is unlike any of its predecessors, showcasing Hyundai’s Sensuous Sportiness design philosophy, an all-new Smartstream G2.5 GDI engine and segment-first technology that can be personalized. Production of the 2020 Sonata starts in September at Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Alabama and retail sales begin in October.

Customers can choose between two Smartstream gasoline powertrains: a 2.5 GDI and a 1.6 T-GDI engine, both mated to an eight-speed automatic transmission. The new Smartstream G2.5 GDI engine, with high-efficiency combustion, cooled EGR and an optimized ITMS cooling system, boasts a generous 191 horsepower at 6,100 rpm and 181 lb.-ft. of torque at 4,000 rpm, plus an expected combined EPA estimated fuel economy of 33 mpg. Meanwhile, the new Smartstream G1.6 T-GDI has 180 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 195 lb.-ft. of torque at 1,500–4,500 rpm and is expected to achieve an EPA estimated 31 mpg combined, thanks to its world-first Continuously Variable Valve Duration (CVVD) system.

Production of the 2020 Sonata starts in September 2019.

 


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Hmmm no more 2.0T.  Hyundai has some nice looking vehicles inside and out now but not sure I trust their powertrains.

 

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2 minutes ago, frogger said:

Hmmm no more 2.0T.  Hyundai has some nice looking vehicles inside and out now but not sure I trust their powertrains.

 

On top of some rather anemic HP numbers for a midsize car. The rest of it is pretty sharp though. 

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How does the optional engine have less horsepower and fuel economy than the base engine?

Other than that it looks great inside and out.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

How does the optional engine have less horsepower and fuel economy than the base engine?

Other than that it looks great inside and out.

That’s a huge WTF to me. 

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Meh, another coupe based 4 door sedan. Sharp enough to stand out, will make sales, but not sure just how much if any market share it will take.

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What is the point of the 1.6T?  It's about the same power as the 2.5, and I imagine the fuel economy improvements wouldn't be that substantial, soooooo why opt for it?  No more powerful engine option is confusing to me.

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Like the looks. ..want more power

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4 hours ago, dfelt said:

Meh, another coupe based 4 door sedan. Sharp enough to stand out, will make sales, but not sure just how much if any market share it will take.

Fusion, Focus, Impala, Lacrosse, Taurus are all dying.  Sedan buyers have to go somewhere, they might as well go here as this looks like a good sedan.

4 hours ago, Paolino said:

What is the point of the 1.6T?  It's about the same power as the 2.5, and I imagine the fuel economy improvements wouldn't be that substantial, soooooo why opt for it?  No more powerful engine option is confusing to me.

The fuel economy is 2 mpg  worse on the 1.6T.   It makes zero sense.  

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28 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The fuel economy is 2 mpg  worse on the 1.6T.   It makes zero sense.  

It might feel torquier at the lower rpms than the 2.5L but I hope they don't force that engine on you at the upper trims because I rather have a non-turbo to deal with that gets slightly better fuel economy.

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Interesting looks...

 

Engines for these tend to have issues...lots of traded in ones around here....

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4 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Fusion, Focus, Impala, Lacrosse, Taurus are all dying.  Sedan buyers have to go somewhere, they might as well go here as this looks like a good sedan.

The fuel economy is 2 mpg  worse on the 1.6T.   It makes zero sense.  

True they might as well go here for those that want another bland coupe style car.

I agree, the worse MPG on that engine just does not make sense to me either.

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22 hours ago, smk4565 said:

How does the optional engine have less horsepower and fuel economy than the base engine?

Other than that it looks great inside and out.

Peak horsepower doesn't matter. Deep torque curve does.  If the 8-speed does its job, it should still feel plenty fast with the 1.6T

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43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Peak horsepower doesn't matter. Deep torque curve does.  If the 8-speed does its job, it should still feel plenty fast with the 1.6T

Yes but I can’t imagine it is that much of a difference in acceleration times and not enough that typical Sonata buyers are going to notice.

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29 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Yes but I can’t imagine it is that much of a difference in acceleration times and not enough that typical Sonata buyers are going to notice.

0-60 doesn't really matter in this class either. What matters is responsiveness. 

The turbo torque comes on at a crazy low rpm. With the right gearing it will feel quicker.

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4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

0-60 doesn't really matter in this class either. What matters is responsiveness. 

The turbo torque comes on at a crazy low rpm. With the right gearing it will feel quicker.

It is an 11 hp loss for a 14 lb-ft gain.  I guess we’d have to see a torque curve comparison to see the difference but these engines are awfully close in power.  I find it a hard sell for a salesperson to convince a buyer to pay extra for the turbo that has less horsepower and mpg, because consumers will understand the numbers not that the turbo might feel a little more responsive.

Now if it was a 2.0 turbo I could see the benefit.

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3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

It is an 11 hp loss for a 14 lb-ft gain.  I guess we’d have to see a torque curve comparison to see the difference but these engines are awfully close in power.  I find it a hard sell for a salesperson to convince a buyer to pay extra for the turbo that has less horsepower and mpg, because consumers will understand the numbers not that the turbo might feel a little more responsive.

Now if it was a 2.0 turbo I could see the benefit.

It just shows that you still don't understand how horsepower works after all these years. 

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I can't imagine anyone buying a family sedan like the Sonata would care about the HP, torque or 0-60.  This is functional point A to point B transportation. 

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14 hours ago, dfelt said:

True they might as well go here for those that want another bland coupe style car.

Almost everything is a coupe-style car now. That's what the CT5 is, Accord,...

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Almost everything is a coupe-style car now. That's what the CT5 is, Accord,...

Yup, a reason that I am not excited by them, they all are too generic and look the same.

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Reports out today:

Sonata going to get a hybrid version and an N-Line version with over 275 HP. 

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10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

"over 275hp" doesn't sound like anything impressive.. 

Better than the default 180hp motor it has now.

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17 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

"over 275hp" doesn't sound like anything impressive.. 

It's better than the Altima, Accord, Passat, Arteon, Regal, and Malibu.  Only the Camry and Regal GS have more. Maybe Maxima too if there is price overlap. 

But we may be finally moving into an era where torque is king again and we can finally get away from these relatively useless HP numbers. 

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4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It just shows that you still don't understand how horsepower works after all these years. 

I understand how it and torque work.  You usually back the NA V6 with less torque than the 2.0T when Cadillac used to have those 2.  If the 1.6T is better drivability then just make the standard engine.  I am not arguing one is better than the other, I just think it senseless to offer 2 engines so close in power output.

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      Most Santa Fes will come with the base 2.4L inline-four with 185 horsepower. My Ultimate AWD tester featured the optional turbocharged 2.0L inline-four with 235 horsepower. Both engines come paired with an eight-speed automatic. Whenever a Hyundai vehicle is equipped with a turbo-four, it falls into one of two camps - works perfectly or there is a performance issue. The Santa Fe falls into the latter. There is a noticeable amount of turbo-lag when leaving from a stop. Once up to speed, the engine can sometimes be a bit too responsive with a jumpiness that makes smooth acceleration a difficult task. Whether this is something with the programming of the engine, transmission, or throttle, I cannot say. I hope this gets fixed with the 2020 model.
      EPA fuel economy figures for the turbo-four with AWD are 19 City/24 Highway/21 Combined. I saw an average of 20.7 mpg during my week of testing. It should be noted this is the same as the Honda Passport with its slightly more powerful 3.5L V6 producing 280 horsepower.
      The Santa Fe’s ride is still smooth and relaxing over many of the bumps and imperfections that dot the roads of Metro Detroit. It is also surprisingly quiet with barely any wind or road noise coming inside. Handling is where the Santa Fe really surprised me as it felt agile when driven around a bend. There was barely any body roll and steering provided excellent response. 
      On the surface, the 2019 Santa Fe is an improvement over the Santa Fe Sport. It features a fetching design, comfortable ride, simple tech, and a lot of equipment for the money. My Ultimate tester came with an as-tested price of $39,905 and that includes adaptive cruise control with stop & go; blind spot monitoring, Infinity premium audio system, panoramic sunroof, and much more. Build up one of the Santa Fe’s competition to similar specs and you’re looking at spending on average around $5,000 more.
      But the Santa Fe is soured by the turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder engine which appears to have two settings - slow off the line performance and unpredictable acceleration at higher speeds. Until Hyundai can figure out what is going on, stick with the base 2.4L four-cylinder. It may be a little bit underpowered, but at least it is more consistent in its power delivery.
      Disclaimer: Hyundai Provided the Santa Fe, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2019
      Make: Hyundai
      Model: Santa Fe
      Trim: Ultimate
      Engine: Turbocharged 2.0L GDI 16-Valve DOHC CVVT Four-Cylinder
      Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, All-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 235 @ 6,000
      Torque @ RPM: 260 @ 1,450 - 3,500
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 19/24/21
      Curb Weight: 4,085 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Montgomery, Alabama
      Base Price: $38,800
      As Tested Price: $39,905 (Includes $980.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Carpeted Floor Mats - $125.00

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