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Just think about this,

if you asked a bunch of people, 

would they pick the CT5, or

the KIA STINGER

if the answer is 'Stinger', then right there that tells you how much Cadillac botched this.......

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Just now, regfootball said:

Just think about this,

if you asked a bunch of people, 

would they pick the CT5, or

the KIA STINGER

if the answer is 'Stinger', then right there that tells you how much Cadillac botched this.......

CT5. I've driven a Stinger. I don't need to drive an Alpha based CT5 to know the Cadillac will drive and ride better than the Stinger.

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21 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

CT5. I've driven a Stinger. I don't need to drive an Alpha based CT5 to know the Cadillac will drive and ride better than the Stinger.

i am actually not a Stinger fan, but it gets so much press in the buff books, and it seems to have so many fanbois.  On social media anyways.  But i think my question was as much about style as anything.  Again, not a Stinger fan myself, but I don't think the CT5 will trump the Stinger  on the style question for most folks.......

 

and, if cadillac truly did put a small trunk in the CT5 then that's another something unforgivable that Cadillac keeps doing on the CTS / ATS etcc....

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20 minutes ago, balthazar said:

And if the answer is 'CT6' over '740i' - does that tell you how badly BMW botched that?

In that one, the Cadillac drives you.

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On 4/26/2019 at 12:52 PM, ccap41 said:

This is how you do the coupe styling on a sedan. 

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It is, but they botched the 2019 model, I think that is the worst looking car they make now.  Gen 1 and 2 were spot on though.

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On 4/27/2019 at 8:12 PM, smk4565 said:

It is, but they botched the 2019 model, I think that is the worst looking car they make now.  Gen 1 and 2 were spot on though.

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the newest one.. Pretty sad because they truly created this segment and now it looks worse than the Audi 7 and BMW 6.

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8 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the newest one.. Pretty sad because they truly created this segment and now it looks worse than the Audi 7 and BMW 6.

The idea of 4-door coupe is so played out now, Mercedes should drop the CLS after this generation.  They have an E-class sedan and E-class 2 door coupe, as a coupe should be.  That is enough, and the AMG GT 4-door is there is you want something else and that has actual performance, where as the CLS is like an oversized, overweight E-class at this point.

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A third grader needs to cobble together a photoshop of a CT5 with an actual trunk and send it to Cadillac.  Maybe they'll get a clue.

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Now you know why there is no trunk!  Look at the size of that hood!

the gray luxury one looks like an accord a little bit

c pillar still sucks  these were fresh off caddy’s web site  

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Cadillac was being late to everything and slowly destroyed as Johan was just a German wanna be executive and clearly only cared about Germany and not the US.

While I am sure the CT5 will drive nice, Cadillac should have made sure to be tops in all departments and this is where they screwed the Pooch!

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Turbo I4 should have been at least 285HP / 300 lb-ft of torque with the Turbo V6 at the 400 / 400 level and then give the CT6 a  retune to push it to at least 450/450 or close to 500 level. The cars would move and people would be on notice that you had luxury sedans that could drive and move their solid feeling weight!

As @ocnblu has stated, someone needs to photoshop a CT5 with a real trunk. While it is nice that it has more rear leg room, a luxury auto still is supposed to have a trunk. Adding a few more inches in the rear would have given a better sized trunk and they could have increased the pathetic headroom in the rear.

Thanks to @regfootball for the links to the interesting reads. I like the Engineering story, but I still say they cut corners on the rear C pillar. I do love the camera in the shark fin and the whole auto is Cadillac / GMs first to allow over the air updates on all electronic modules in the auto. This is the future that Tesla has shown every OEM should embrace. Why GM did not think of this from the beginning of On-Star is beyond me.

CT5 Trunk is Pathetic for a Luxury Car.

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Side Profile for comparison.

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V-Edition of the CT5?

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2 hours ago, dfelt said:

As @ocnblu has stated, someone needs to photoshop a CT5 with a real trunk. While it is nice that it has more rear leg room, a luxury auto still is supposed to have a trunk. Adding a few more inches in the rear would have given a better sized trunk and they could have increased the pathetic headroom in the rear.

At that point you just move up to the next car. You can't have all the open space in a smaller car and expect it to be as roomy as their next vehicle up the ladder. 

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Have to get something large like a Mustang, Yaris or Accent to get more cargo space.

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

At that point you just move up to the next car. You can't have all the open space in a smaller car and expect it to be as roomy as their next vehicle up the ladder. 

I understand moving up, but we have shrunk cars and what is full size today is anything but full size when looking at real size cars of the 70's and early 80's before the shrink it all down happened. CT6 could stand to grow in size too.

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far too much length in the hood, wasted, that could be returned to trunk overhang.  RWD chassis does not have to mean the cabin is so far rearward that there is no trunk.  CT5 has increased WB that was returned entirely to rear seat leg room, which is good.  So the end equation is remove some length between the front axle and firewall and tack it on to the rear overhang.  And then put a hatch on it.  BS from Cadillac on that.

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56 minutes ago, regfootball said:

far too much length in the hood, wasted, that could be returned to trunk overhang.  RWD chassis does not have to mean the cabin is so far rearward that there is no trunk.  CT5 has increased WB that was returned entirely to rear seat leg room, which is good.  So the end equation is remove some length between the front axle and firewall and tack it on to the rear overhang.  And then put a hatch on it.  BS from Cadillac on that.

So one question that has not been brought up, when we move to solid state denser power holding batteries that reduces the over all size of battery packs and sedans from Cadillac, MB, BMW, etc. go electric, could we like Tesla move to having a Frunk and Trunk that make up this size issue?

If so, would people want a bigger trunk of a big Frunk pr a balance between the two?

I truly believe that we can have bigger interior room and trunk / frunk size with EVs. Bolt does show this as I can fit in it and behind the seat in front that is set for me.

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Posted (edited)

 

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LOST IN TRANSLATION, NOT A LOT OF ESCALA ON THAT CT5

 

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1 hour ago, KevinW said:


That's a CT6 2.0E.

Really? OK, it was listed on the Google search as a CT5 trunk. Thank you

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Front end is 90% Escala. I would not expect a lower series sedan to bring 100% of the concept to market as is- it's not the spot for what is more clearly a upper tier model :
 

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Posted (edited)

Cadillac needs to start comparing that CT5 to the ES350, MKZ, and Q50, hell maybe a Kia Stinger or Acura TLX.  Change the narrative, they look bad in any comparison they do with BMW and Mercedes.  And plastic on the C-pillar a la the Cruze is just terrible and shouldn't have black plastic on a pillar of a luxury car.  

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Posted (edited)
On April 27, 2019 at 7:53 PM, regfootball said:

...why is the 3.0 tuned down so much on horsepower???

base 2.0 has less power and CT5 is heavier.

Question is; will BMW upgrade the torque on their 3.0 ???
And when will they get on the 10-spd train???
And the 2 cars basically weigh the same- 78 lbs is nothing???

???

 

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12 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Cadillac needs to start comparing that CT5 to the ES350, MKZ, and Q50, hell maybe a Kia Stinger or Acura TLX.  Change the narrative, they look bad in any comparison they do with BMW and Mercedes.  And plastic on the C-pillar a la the Cruze is just terrible and shouldn't have black plastic on a pillar of a luxury car.  

So then you agree that all MB products need to be compared to the same products from Chevy and Toyota since they use allot of cheap materials, hard plastics and over all have gone from a Luxury product line to a Toyolet product line with the cheap cars and vans, etc.

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