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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

I've never been in an H1 but pictures alone they are damn-near night and day difference. I'd love to drive one one day but I have definitely heard exactly what you said, they're atrocious on-road. 

 

1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Yes, a military vehicle that made no sense as a civilian product.   Friends that served in the military have told me that they hated them..unreliable and awful to drive.

 

 

I've had the (mis?)fortune of having driven military spec HMMWV's and civilian H1's. Those old military rigs are beat half to death, and they drive like it. It many ways, they are more akin to driving a tractor or other heavy equipment than a conventional truck/suv. Well maintained road H1's are considerably better, but one of the dominating aspects- glacier slow acceleration is still present. They are like perception alteringly slow. A Prius is a top-fuel dragster compared to one. You also have to very, very deliberate and smooth with all of your control inputs. These things have a ton of weight being shifted around, and a lack of deft control skills will have you taking out another car or roadside object with ease.

I also had the opportunity to drive a 2006 H1 Alpha. That was the last they were built, and they received then then new 6.6 Duramax engine. The one I drove was all original and immaculate w/ 4,000 miles. It was actually quite a treat. Though you still had to be mindful of the size and weight, it had enough power to easily drive down the highway, it wasn't too uncomfortable, and people absolutely loved it. I can count on one hand the number of supercars/exotics I've driven that elicited as many thumbs up, cheers, etc. A few weeks later I sold it for 180K. 😁

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New knew the H1 Alphas were that expensive..wowza..it looks like they have held their value, looking at the prices on used ones.  Had no idea.

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As far as that CTS goes, I think Cadillac at the time was going for a "high-end home stereo equipment" look.

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8 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

As far as that CTS goes, I think Cadillac at the time was going for a "high-end home stereo equipment" look.

I recall someone saying the center stack on the first gen CTS looked like a tower computer case.

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Funny I noticed this.....as I have driven both now. (Running into the right people I guess) Watching the video reminded me of some of the stuff I saw.....

I lambasted the XT6 for quite a few things, but it is different to drive.  It comes off a bit sporty for a bigger rig. And it just seems more driver oriented than I thought......

Still like the Tellluride...lots. Something about having that old school SUV feel to it....and you simply cannot beat the price!

The XT6 will find it’s customers...problem is the Telluride will be taking them from everyone else! The Telluride wins here....

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On 7/10/2019 at 6:02 AM, ccap41 said:

When they came out in the US in the early 2000's they were absolutely a luxurious interior. They might not be considered one in 2019 but in the early 2000's, definitely. 

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For reference, 2005 Bentley Continental interior. 

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100% agree. Plastic on plastic on plastic. The luxurious part is just the roominess they offer and that's about it. 

Sorry but I just see the “luxury” in the Benz. Huge slabs of plastics with a hint of fake looking wood (yes I know it’s not fake) that can’t hide it’s military roots (much like the H1) that makes it look no better than the Cadillac interior shot you posted whole costing a whole lot more coin. The Bentley above shames it. 

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The only off-thing I see with that Benz interior is that it does look more like 1990-1995 style than early 2000s.    Looks way nicer than the early '00s Escalade which still had a Tahoe/Yukon dash...

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31 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Sorry but I just see the “luxury” in the Benz. Huge slabs of plastics with a hint of fake looking wood (yes I know it’s not fake) that can’t hide it’s military roots (much like the H1) that makes it look no better than the Cadillac interior shot you posted whole costing a whole lot more coin. The Bentley above shames it. 

To each their own. Everybody has wrong opinions every once in awhile. 

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To me, nothing about that Bentley looks double the price of the Benz(original MSRPs of 78k vs 158k). The Bentley is expected to look nicer but it isn't a night and day difference. 

2005 Mercedes S600. I believe this was considered luxury in the early 2000's as well although I think it looks extremely mediocre and cheap now.

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Whatever happened 10-15 years ago is a moot point, though.  I guess to bring it back to 2019, how does the Telluride interior compare to the XT6, for those that have seen both in person? 

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48 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

To each their own. Everybody has wrong opinions every once in awhile. 

You proved that yesterday and today, that’s for sure. It is called an “opinion” after all. And comparing the G Wagon to a luxury coupe cruiser is wrong to begin with. Two totally different types of vehicles and regardless of the price difference, the Bentley was far more luxurious than the Benz and at least looked it. Might as well compare old looking apples to much better looking oranges. 

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Looking past to Present:

My 2006 Escalade ESV Dash

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2006 Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon Dash

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I would say they are on par, plenty of plastic, wood touches to the steering wheel and what passes as Wood attached to plastic backing on the dash with some true fake plastic wood.

Now 2019

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G-Wagon Dash

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I am honestly going to have to give this to Mercedes. Cadillac just a few years back had a better luxury dash than this years models.

Cadillac lacks exterior color choices as it is all drab and black / grey themed much like the interior of just Jet black or Sugar Maple with black accents as in the above picture.

CADILLAC IS LOOSING based on the piss poor choices. Lincoln has better options than Cadillac for their Navigator.

I would take a Navigator if it still had a V8 option over the Cadillac.

GM has done many things right in the last few years, but the colors and interior options are a FAIL!

As @Robert Hall states, this thread is about the XT6 compared to Telluride from Kia.

XT6 has 4 interior choices of color, Jet Black, Cirrus seats / accents with Jet Black, Maple Sugar or semi-Aniline seats with Jet Black.

Cirrus seats are about as sterile as it comes.

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Maple Sugar is much better, better than two choices of Black interior.

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Then we have Kia

White and Black interior with red accent lighting on the doors.

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Then we move to the dash of the Kia Telluride versus Cadillac XT6.

Cadillac XT6 Dash

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Kia Telluride Dash

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In this, I have to give it to the XT6 as a nicer more luxury looking dash. Even with that said, Kia is a strong competitor and having been in an Actual Kia, it is very nice, though I feel there is nods to old SUVs of years past. The grab handles in the center remind me of older type G-Wagons for the front.

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48 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

To me, nothing about that Bentley looks double the price of the Benz(original MSRPs of 78k vs 158k). The Bentley is expected to look nicer but it isn't a night and day difference. 

2005 Mercedes S600. I believe this was considered luxury in the early 2000's as well although I think it looks extremely mediocre and cheap now.

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In fairness, it looked cheap then too. The 2007 S550, however, was a noticeable improvement in regards to the interior look. Up until that time, German interiors looked cheap to me outside of the cleaner looking Audi interiors. Now, before the resident Benz defender and his sidekick try to crucify me for speaking such heresy, understand that I am talking about looks only. 

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Good point. I should be comparing the early 2000's G Wagen to early 2000's Escalades(56k vs 78k). They're much closer in price anyway. 

Check out THIS luxury vehicle! 

 

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8 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Looking past to Present:

My 2006 Escalade ESV Dash

20190711_094517.jpg

2006 Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon Dash

2006-Mercedes-G-Wagon-Interior.jpg

I would say they are on par, plenty of plastic, wood touches to the steering wheel and what passes as Wood attached to plastic backing on the dash with some true fake plastic wood.

Now 2019

Escalade Dash2019-Cadillac-Escalade-Interior.jpg

G-Wagon Dash

2019-G-CLASS-SUV-GALLERY-010-SET-H-FI-DR.jpg

I am honestly going to have to give this to Mercedes. Cadillac just a few years back had a better luxury dash than this years models.

Cadillac lacks exterior color choices as it is all drab and black / grey themed much like the interior of just Jet black or Sugar Maple with black accents as in the above picture.

CADILLAC IS LOOSING based on the piss poor choices. Lincoln has better options than Cadillac for their Navigator.

I would take a Navigator if it still had a V8 option over the Cadillac.

GM has done many things right in the last few years, but the colors and interior options are a FAIL!

As @Robert Hall states, this thread is about the XT6 compared to Telluride from Kia.

XT6 has 4 interior choices of color, Jet Black, Cirrus seats / accents with Jet Black, Maple Sugar or semi-Aniline seats with Jet Black.

Cirrus seats are about as sterile as it comes.

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Maple Sugar is much better, better than two choices of Black interior.

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Then we have Kia

White and Black interior with red accent lighting on the doors.

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Then we move to the dash of the Kia Telluride versus Cadillac XT6.

Cadillac XT6 Dash

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Kia Telluride Dash

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In this, I have to give it to the XT6 as a nicer more luxury looking dash. Even with that said, Kia is a strong competitor and having been in an Actual Kia, it is very nice, though I feel there is nods to old SUVs of years past. The grab handles in the center remind me of older type G-Wagons for the front.

The XT6 interior looks pretty nice to me. That’s not the problem IMO. It’s problem lies on the outside though. Bad profile, horrible rear 1/4, and just boring looking overall (the front end is it’s only saving grace). 

 

I would like to add that the Kia is no slouch. Such a huge bump over anything they put out ten years ago. 

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11 minutes ago, dfelt said:

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Maple Sugar is much better, better than two choices of Black interior.

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Then we have Kia

White and Black interior with red accent lighting on the doors.

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Then we move to the dash of the Kia Telluride versus Cadillac XT6.

Cadillac XT6 Dash

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Kia Telluride Dash

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Pretty much top to bottom I think the Telluride looks like a better overall package, especially when you consider the price gap, 20k+ starting MSRPs

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4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Good point. I should be comparing the early 2000's G Wagen to early 2000's Escalades(56k vs 78k). They're much closer in price anyway. 

Check out THIS luxury vehicle! 

 

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They were both cheap $h!, no matter how you try and paint this otherwise. We will just sidestep the fact that the Slade, for all its flaws back then, was a larger and more comfortable ride and did not have the “brand cachet” at that time unlike the G Wagon. The G had the tri-star and the cachet that goes with it yet it LOOKED like a cheap Lego rendition of itself as far as the interior was concerned. Which one was supposed to be the best in the world?

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I think the WHOLE point was passed up quite awhile ago. I'll just mention it again.

Somebody said the G Wagen's interior was NEVER good nor luxurious.

I stated that back when it first came to the states in the early 2000's it most certainly was considered a luxurious interior, because it was.

Now, I also understand that looking back at anything from that era, including any Bentley or S Class, that they look like crap and not very luxurious at all. Also,  until 2019 the G's interior was left alone, for the most part and was lacking for what rose to a 115k vehicle. It became less luxurious not because it actually went backwards but because the rest of the industry improved ten fold in that time while they only made it marginally better, until 2019's clean slate redesign. 

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21 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I think the WHOLE point was passed up quite awhile ago. I'll just mention it again.

Somebody said the G Wagen's interior was NEVER good nor luxurious.

I stated that back when it first came to the states in the early 2000's it most certainly was considered a luxurious interior, because it was.

Now, I also understand that looking back at anything from that era, including any Bentley or S Class, that they look like crap and not very luxurious at all. Also,  until 2019 the G's interior was left alone, for the most part and was lacking for what rose to a 115k vehicle. It became less luxurious not because it actually went backwards but because the rest of the industry improved ten fold in that time while they only made it marginally better, until 2019's clean slate redesign. 

Looks like the G Class interior got a facelift somewhere in the last decade or so...this the 2017, pretty nice.  The right side glovebox and grab handle doesn't look much changed from the early 00s model. 

 

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On the other hand, the mid 80s G-wagen dash looks of it's era and more utilitarian.  Nice use of the S-Class steering wheel.   I dig the plaid seats.

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And going back to the late 70s, even more utlitiarian and hard core off roader.  Cool seat pattern. 

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As a random aside, imagine how cool it would have been had GM jumped into the luxo SUV niche in the 70s...imagine a Suburban-based mid 70s Escalade Brougham de' Elegance with the Talisman style interior...

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• Is that a factory-authorized iron-on patch on the '70s g-wagon seat, done by a certified factory specialist? (maybe just something got photoshopped out). 

• Isn't the 2017 interior wholly "Despair Black", or are we liking black interiors again?
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I will hand it to hyun/kia; they said they were going to be completely competitive in "X-years" (was it 5 or 10?) and they pretty much did so (within their classes). I LOL'd when they initially made the statement. 

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14 minutes ago, balthazar said:

• Is that a factory-authorized iron-on patch on the '70s g-wagon seat, done by a certified factory specialist? (maybe just something got photoshopped out). 

• Isn't the 2017 interior wholly "Despair Black", or are we liking black interiors again?
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I will hand it to hyun/kia; they said they were going to be completely competitive in "X-years" (was it 5 or 10?) and they pretty much did so (within their classes). I LOL'd when they initially made the statement. 

I wonder about that pic, it is odd what is going on with that left seat.    The 2017 black interior isn't bad, needs wood for contrast, IMO...(it's despair gray that I loathe, I can tolerate some black interiors)

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56 minutes ago, balthazar said:

• Isn't the 2017 interior wholly "Despair Black", or are we liking black interiors again?

There have been like 10 interior colors with multiple grades of leather available for the G Wagen for almost a decade. 

What patch are you talking about? 

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Just now, ccap41 said:

There have been like 10 interior colors with multiple grades of leather available for the G Wagen for almost a decade. 

What patch are you talking about? 

Look at the 3rd photo I posted, of the late 70s one...something weird is going on with the driver's plaid seat--like a patch on the seat or the photo was distorted.

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