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26 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Haven't seen any engine bay pics...I assume the engine will be north-south ahead of the transaxle. 

Pictures are on the Chevrolet website

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I think it looks great and one hell of a performance bargain.

The only two things that really stand out to me negatively are the lacking of a manual transmission and the tower of buttons on the inside. 

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34 minutes ago, ykX said:

 

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GM still does -at times- some of the World's best styling. WRT to the above pic; very artful combination of suble and sharp lines and gentle radiuses. The venting inboard of the 'flying buttress' C-pillars is well done; some excellent surface transitioning overall.

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11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Pricing is what I am waiting for.  And will they price it at a point where a lot of current Corvette buyers are not going to pay?   And that is key because Corvette isn't going to conquest Italian sports cars.   Even contesting Porsche will be hard.  This seems like an NSX but for what the NSX actually should cost, because the NSX pricing is a joke, that car is $50k overpriced.

   I am also curious on all performance specs when they come out.

It starts at 60k. 

Owners will enjoy eating up them Europeans at a heavy discount. 

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Other than the Ford GT (tho that’s actively ID’d as a ‘Ford’), I don’t think there’s any other singular model more separate from its parent brand. It hasn’t said Chevrolet’ on it, I believe, in about 50 years.

Point being; that it how the car is perceived by consumers; as a ‘Corvette’ 1st, and as a ‘Chevy’ around 95th. Potential buyers aren’t thinking ‘Oh, the same brand made the Aveo, I can’t buy one!’ There’s a towering ‘firewall’ of perception there.

Ferrari had been owned by Fiat for 40 years now.

I don't think I've ever heard somebody try and defend the Corvette not being a Chevy.. and it still doesn't make sense. 

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

 

Ferrari had been owned by Fiat for 50 years now.

Non-sequitor.  Saying Ferrari has been owned by Fiat is like saying Chevrolet is owned by GM.   Ferrari is a multi model brand of vehicles, the Corvette is a single model within the Chevrolet brand.    And besides, Ferrari is an independent company now (since 2016).

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Yeah the interior couldn't be any more Chevy pre-C7....

 

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13 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It starts at 60k. 

Owners will enjoy eating up them Europeans at a heavy discount. 

I imagine they could price the Corvette at $25,000 and most Porsche owners and no Ferrari owners are not going to buy one.  To them it is about owning a Ferrari,  not about performance per dollar.

Corvette is trying to get the top end Camaro buyers for when that car dies, tempt people to spend a little more for a Vette rather than buy a Supra, or Mustang.  Maybe try to steal some M4 or Audi TT buyers since TT is getting killed.

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It will be interesting to see how it sells, and what the retention rate from existing Corvette owners is like...

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7 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I imagine they could price the Corvette at $25,000 and most Porsche owners and no Ferrari owners are not going to buy one.  To them it is about owning a Ferrari,  not about performance per dollar.

Corvette is trying to get the top end Camaro buyers for when that car dies, tempt people to spend a little more for a Vette rather than buy a Supra, or Mustang.  Maybe try to steal some M4 or Audi TT buyers since TT is getting killed.

More like 911's and AMG GT's. 

A 60k Mustang and Camaro eat Supras as it is. 

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3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I imagine they could price the Corvette at $25,000 and most Porsche owners and no Ferrari owners are not going to buy one.  To them it is about owning a Ferrari,  not about performance per dollar.

I always immensely enjoy when local Posrche club has autocross event together with everybody else at a local SCCA club.  Seeing these self important dentists and financial brokers in their 911 get killed in cars that costs fraction of the cost of their cars is always a great pleasure.  You maybe can buy 911 or Ferrari but you can't buy skill.

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12 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I imagine they could price the Corvette at $25,000 and most Porsche owners and no Ferrari owners are not going to buy one.  To them it is about owning a Ferrari,  not about performance per dollar.

Corvette is trying to get the top end Camaro buyers for when that car dies, tempt people to spend a little more for a Vette rather than buy a Supra, or Mustang.  Maybe try to steal some M4 or Audi TT buyers since TT is getting killed.

I love how you continue to shift the insults around. From your first post about monochromatic interiors, which was wrong btw, to your historical posts about its six figure pricing (also wrong), to who you think buys a Vette, you just go out of your way to slam it. Guess that’s the reality of seeing a domestic sports car that is going to eat the Germans lunch for far less coin so you have to pretend that there are these imaginary flaws that make it less than what it is. 

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Yup, his brand has like 1 trim of vehicle that will be able to hold a candle to whatever trim Vette throws down all while having like 10 priced above it. 

Even the AMG GT R isn't as quick as the C8, taking both manufacturers for their word. 

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 Very few of the 60k vettes will be made and that’s ok.  Those will be 1LT including the all season tires. Which most vette buyers will want the fe3 suspension and performance tires.  That will in addition to other option groups probably kick most 2lt showroom vettes into the 80k range. And that’s still ok IMO.

The 1LT does not have ability to have blind spot monitor by the way.  

The nicer equipped camaro ss now sort of becomes the new front engine corvette replacement. If you need the engine in front and the camaro back seat is useless anyways. There is your new front engine corvette. 

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4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Wow, I am more than pleased with this.  It still embodies what a Corvette should be... a halo car for Chevrolet.  It is still a bit humble/corny/"American", with a stupendous measure of performance, and the starting price just puts icing on the cake.

 

I was prepared to pan it as too foo-foo for a Corvette, too Euro-centric, but it wears our flag on its sleeve so proudly, and that aspect endears it to me instantly.  It is one of those designs that bonds immediately to the viewer... not every vehicle is able to do that... there is an adjustment period often required.  Not here.  Not with me.  I've already built "mine" (and I will wear that configurator out again and again), with no goofy wing to distract from that perfect ass.

 

I hope they sell the heck out of them.  I can learn a frickin' row of buttons, the buttons do not scare me.

Sounds like you’re gonna save your loose change and get a new corvette when it’s out!

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The convertible looks sharp also.  I like the looking down on from above angle. 

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

I don't think I've ever heard somebody try and defend the Corvette not being a Chevy.. and it still doesn't make sense. 

I’m actually not, and I’ve been here before as being against legal separation of the Corvette form Chevrolet. I’m well aware of what it technically is, but it does have a tangible firewall between it and everything else Chevy does (including what they do wrong). I think ‘making the Corvette a Cadillac’ is just stupid, moreso because of how ‘insulated’ it is from the rest of the brand.

In other words, I do not believe a serious consumer is holding the fact that its titled ‘Chevrolet’ stop their purchase if they love the car otherwise.

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I definitely believe a badge snob will let the Chevy part hold it back. 

It's a Chevy and not a Porsche. That's just how it's going to be. 

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Is it a convertible, or really more of a ‘targa’? I see jutting, rigid B-Pillars there. 

Be a shame if the ‘targa’ loses the see-thru engine cover...

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I definitely believe a badge snob will let the Chevy part hold it back. 

It's a Chevy and not a Porsche. That's just how it's going to be. 

Via my observation, the only people who call the car a ‘Chevy’ have no intention of buying to begin with.

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

I love how you continue to shift the insults around. From your first post about monochromatic interiors, which was wrong btw, to your historical posts about its six figure pricing (also wrong), to who you think buys a Vette, you just go out of your way to slam it. Guess that’s the reality of seeing a domestic sports car that is going to eat the Germans lunch for far less coin so you have to pretend that there are these imaginary flaws that make it less than what it is. 

This C8 looks as fast as an AMG GT R for half the money, looks almost as fast to a 911 Turbo for 1/3rd the money.  That makes the Corvette a hell of a performance bargain.  But that doesn’t mean AMG, Porsche or Ferrari people will buy a Corvette, those people are not choosing a car on value.

I think the Corvette is 100% worth the price tag and even more so $60k base for a mid engine V8 car is insane.   And a lot of vehicles out there are not worth their price tag.  On value the Corvette has a really strong argument, it is Tahoe money and look at the engineering difference that goes into the two.  The Corvette is outstanding value for the performance.

But the Germans and Italians are not selling on a performance/value equation so I don’t think it will really have any effect on them.

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

The convertible looks sharp also.  I like the looking down on from above angle. 

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The top angle does look especially sharp but I have a question. Where does the top go?

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I don't think it will steal even 1 Ferrari sale but I do think 911 buyers will consider it now more than ever. It is a very compelling buy over a 911 and not all 911 buyers are badge snobs. A lot just want a great driving car. 

2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

The top angle does look especially sharp but I have a question. Where does the top go?

The top goes in the back/trunk. 

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