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1 hour ago, aurora97 said:

If GM *REALLY* wants to go after the European market with the C8, then they should also pony up for a Formula 1 team and bring the US back into the series.

No one can beat the 5 time reigning, defending F1 champion who are well on their way to a 6th consecutive title.  But I would love for Porsche or BMW or a GM/Toyota team to try.

26 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

The Corvette has been successful in sports car racing, I assume the C8 will competing also.  

F1 has sadly become a deeply dull snore fest of ugly cars, boring tracks, and predictable outcomes. And as a 40 yr F1 fan, it’s sad. 

Last two races were great.  And it is only predictable because one team is so dominate, but maybe with a 4th big money team it can make it more interesting.

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9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

No one can beat the 5 time reigning, defending F1 champion who are well on their way to a 6th consecutive title.  But I would love for Porsche or BMW or a GM/Toyota team to try.

Last two races were great.  And it is only predictable because one team is so dominate, but maybe with a 4th big money team it can make it more interesting.

Yes, the last two races were spectacular.  Perhaps what F1 needs is some new blood to keep things more dynamic.  If not the Corvette, then someone else.

But GM made the C8 a rear engine car for what?  Ford not only went to Le Mans with the GT but they also put the two year hold on any re-selling of the car to maintain the value.  Granted the C8 will outsell the Ford GT but will it outclass it in any other racing series?

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I've never had any interest in F1 racing. F1 and modern era NASCAR are events about the DRIVER, and that's fine if that's what you like, without question. 

But I'm not a 'driver guy', I'm a car enthusiast. F1/NASCAR cars are very very tightly rule-bound to the point of being all the same. It's 'go-fast re-badging'.

It's like trying to make a point between WWII Jeeps being built by Ford, or Willys, or American Bantam. Inconsequential.

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F1 is more about he machine, Max Verstappen is one hell of a driver and he rarely wins because he has a Honda engine.  Red Bull does well with aero and tire wear, but that car is not on par with a Mercedes.  

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11 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

The convertible looks sharp also.  I like the looking down on from above angle. 

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i'm getting a Batman and Robin vibe off that color combo

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Nothing ambiguous about dat

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$59,999 with no options...a DCT...a V8...and bizarre interior...

The one time GM does something "wow" again. Maybe...

Hey Acura. Hybrid AWD stuff aside, care to come up with a new $50k dealer cash for NSX? $30k last year helped...

The Vette is ugly in many combos, with nasty wheels, but alas. It's what happens when you spend so much time re-inventing the guts, and the outside turns into an ant eater. Oh well. DCT blip, blip, blip...BOOM.

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13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

F1 is more about he machine, Max Verstappen is one hell of a driver and he rarely wins because he has a Honda engine.

They're all 90-degree 98 CI V6 single turbos, run with McLaren software, making 900-1000 HP. Cookie-cutter engines.

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3 hours ago, balthazar said:

They're all 90-degree 98 CI V6 single turbos, run with McLaren software, making 900-1000 HP. Cookie-cutter engines.

So double the horsepower from a 1.6 liter V6 than the Corvette gets from a 6.2 V8.  Seems very cookie cutter.   Granted I believe and F1 engine costs $5 million dollars.  Nothing cookie cutter about that price.   And if they didn't have regulations, it would be even more unfair.

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F1 is 'cookie cutter' because all the engine builders build the same spec engine. Honda, Mercedes, renault, ferrari all build 1.6L V6s, all with single turbos, the same software, the same displacement. No individuality, no proprietary design, just 90-degree V6s. Price is immaterial- they could all cost $50 million, they'd all still be the same engine.

Ju-uuuust like NASCAR : all 358 CI V8, IBC, McLaren software, naturally aspirated, restrictor plates. Rule-regulated to the same thing under the hood.

'Cookie cutter' = the same thing. 

Like a package…. of cookies.

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Without reading through four pages of comments what I have to say is it's another Chevy put together with the cheapest plastic bits and bobs they can find and marketed as something great. I post this as I'm having another unnecessary issue with my Chevy product. To be fair every car maker is building them with the cheapest bits and bobs they can find. However there is absolutely no excuse for the issues that I've had with 80,000 miles on the Chevy product. Oh back on topic.  Is the new Corvette cool?  I'm sure it is. I'm also fairly sure it's built like a $5 Mattel toy. 

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Maybe it's built as well as my 192,xxx mile SIlverado, which just. keeps. going. Running gear all original, no rot, doors don't sag, still pulls like a freight train, tows, hauls (but has never been towed or hauled)…. if the Corvette is built like that Chevy; WOW!

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You must not have gotten the tinfoil version with your 192,xxx.  My Silverado bed buckled like a tin can under the stress of strapping down my dirt bike. 

 

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I did hear a story where a Silverado owner sneezed and the truck exploded. There've been a few stories of that happening over the last few years. But I drive with a clothespin on my nose, everyday. No worries.

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Sounds like a strapping young buck, with all that stremf.  I'm curious, is there a photo of this folded bed?

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The configurator has me all flummoxed.  I am a blue and green person, but the Zeus Bronze with Pewter accessory wheels is the bomb.  With the dark red interior.  And I am not a red person.

The orange pops.  The yellow is a necessary, fitting color for it.  Rapid blue with the black/blue accent interior?  I WANT IT.

Too many top shelf configurations!  The configurator site is like permanently jammed, the world is too ready for this!

I see a snarky meme over onto the Facebook calling it the "2020 Fiero".  I thought the same thing, but in the best possible way.  The starting price just blows my mind.

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I'd want that green convertible w/ the tan interior.   I'll have to check out the configurator.  The bronze would look good w/ a brown interior. 

I love how many exterior and interior colors are available..   one combo I do like is Elkhart Lake Blue w/ ultra bright trident spoke wheels w/ 3LT trim and Natural Dipped (tan) interior.    The Morello red interior looks great also, would work well with the exterior in Shadow Gray.    Sweet...

The C8 is one of those cars I think will look great in person...withholding styling judgement until I can walk around one (and hopefully sit in one). 

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Probably 1% of those playing with the configurator will even test drive let alone buy.

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On 7/19/2019 at 9:00 PM, smk4565 said:

No one can beat the 5 time reigning, defending F1 champion who are well on their way to a 6th consecutive title.  But I would love for Porsche or BMW or a GM/Toyota team to try.

in 2018 Mercedes-Benz and Ferrari each spent about 400 million dollars on their F1 teams, next one is 310 million.  The rest are spending half of that or less.  While Hamilton is a very talented driver, if you look at team standings it is about proportional to what they are spending (except McLaren, they just s@ck).  I am sure if Toyota or GM  decides to spend 500 million on F1 team they can beat MB.

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On 7/19/2019 at 6:18 PM, aurora97 said:

bring the US back into the series.

The US is in the series with HAAS. 

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On 7/20/2019 at 3:16 PM, balthazar said:

F1 is 'cookie cutter' because all the engine builders build the same spec engine. Honda, Mercedes, renault, ferrari all build 1.6L V6s, all with single turbos, the same software, the same displacement. No individuality, no proprietary design, just 90-degree V6s. Price is immaterial- they could all cost $50 million, they'd all still be the same engine.

Ju-uuuust like NASCAR : all 358 CI V8, IBC, McLaren software, naturally aspirated, restrictor plates. Rule-regulated to the same thing under the hood.

'Cookie cutter' = the same thing. 

Like a package…. of cookies.

If you only look at the engines then they are all using the same car but outside of that every F1 team has drastically different bodies. NASCAR isn't near as drastic but there is also freedom to do their own thing but when the fastest design wins.. you're not going to stray too far from that. 

If you don't have regulations like that you end up with BOP(Balance of Performance) changes and it turns into a  sandbagging game in practice and qualifying. I love watching IMSA races and I watch as much as I can of them but the whole BOF, which is necessary, really sucks. 

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Don't understand GM's obsession with super high belt lines and claustrophobic interiors where the center console is taking over the cockpit. Not particularly innovative. 

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50 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

The US is in the series with HAAS. 

Yeah, but they aren't using a US developed car or engine, or US drivers, so it's insignificant. Just a US funding source.

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Yeah, but they aren't using a US developed car or engine, or US drivers, so it's insignificant. Just a US funding source.

So? If I'm not wrong, all of the smaller budget teams are buying engines and/or chassis from somebody else. They're located in the US. They're still developing everything above the chassis. 

There is also no reason a team should only look for the best available driver in a certain country. 

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