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5 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

The Mustang accelerates great between 30-50 mph but has deficiencies as compared to the Model Y and/or other cars in general.  The Model Y though is a more sportier ride and faster CUV than the Mustang.  

(my opinion based on their video:  Hate on Tesla all we want, but it does NOT matter WHO test drives these Tesla and what model Tesla IS being tested, it seems that everyone seems to think that Tesla KNOWS how to build a sporty, fun and fast EV...)

That's also the quickest trim Model Y vs the base model AWD Mach-E as the GT is not out yet. 

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Haha, while ignoring the elephant in the room... CALIFORNIA... the biggest whiny brat in the union.

So, you're not wrong, but just wanted to zoom in a bit for more detail.... Storms do happen, no grid is ever 100%.  I lose power shockingly often for being only ~10 miles from a downtown metro ar

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For the folk that hate the naming scheme of Ford's newest SUV. 

Where Is The Ford Mustang Station Wagon That Was Made In Italy? -  MyCarQuest.com

The Saga of the 1965 Mustang Wagon

Where Is The Ford Mustang Station Wagon That Was Made In Italy? -  MyCarQuest.com

1965 Ford Mustang Station Wagon Rendering by Abimelec Design — StangBangers

 

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That's also the quickest trim Model Y vs the base model AWD Mach-E as the GT is not out yet. 

true.

And...it wasnt the Mustang long range either. 

 

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21 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Peter DeLorenzo bought a Chevy Bolt a few months ago...  Here is what he thinks of it.  

http://www.autoextremist.com/on-the-table1/

 

 

Here is the updated link.

GONE ELECTRIC. - Rants - Autoextremist.com ~ the bare-knuckled, unvarnished, high octane truth...

Great read, I think a very balanced review of his time with his new purchase, not a supplied manufacture loaner Bolt.

QUOTE:  I have never underestimated the quality of the engineering represented in the Bolt, because in a lot of respects it is truly outstanding. GM’s True Believers worked on this machine, and you can tell that from the moment you get in and drive it down the road. Yes, the usual electric driving characteristics that you’ve all read about for years are present and accounted for: It is seamless, it is quiet, it is remarkably responsive, it is quick, and above all, it is actually fun-to-drive. That last part is absolutely paramount to me, and in my brief time with it the Bolt delivers.

This is a great read considering he was looking at the V8 Camaro and V8 Challenger for his next ride before sitting down and really thinking about it.

QUOTE: But - and there’s always a “but” - the more I thought about it, the more I began to think that it was time to turn the page. As a society, we’re collectively about to embark on a New Age of transportation. Will the ICE cars of previous glorious eras survive? Yes. And there will be parts (and gasoline) for them too. But the Battery Electric Vehicle revolution has begun and there’s no turning back. Yes, there is a raft of associated problems that will come with this transformation as many have pointed out, but remember, at the dawn of the ICE Age there was much hand-wringing about the problems of having gasoline “bombs” (automobiles) roaming our streets and byways. 

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So easy to see, if one opens his eyes... this is a CGI and not "the real thing" ~ so yeah, i have a problem with Ford calling their expensive, useless, delayed, slow-charging EV a Mustang ~

 

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On 1/15/2021 at 3:53 PM, oldshurst442 said:

PS: 

For the folk that hate the naming scheme of Ford's newest SUV. 

Where Is The Ford Mustang Station Wagon That Was Made In Italy? -  MyCarQuest.com

The Saga of the 1965 Mustang Wagon

Where Is The Ford Mustang Station Wagon That Was Made In Italy? -  MyCarQuest.com

1965 Ford Mustang Station Wagon Rendering by Abimelec Design — StangBangers

 

true.

And...it wasnt the Mustang long range either. 

 

What's funny is if they did that today, internet enthusiasts would go nuts for a hatchback/wagon style mustang. 

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On 1/17/2021 at 5:27 PM, ocnblu said:

i have a problem with Ford calling their expensive, useless, delayed, slow-charging EV a Mustang ~

If it was named anything else, would you then buy it? 

Or, does the name not make a difference if you'd buy it or not? 

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Loving all the continual updated info on the Hummer EV Edition 1 at their web page.

Introducing the GMC HUMMER EV | Electric Truck

Really liking the dash layout of the Hummer EV. I know my wife does not like the grey and black interior. I am hoping that once the Edition 1 is launched that GM will be offering other interior options. I would like a nice Mocha Brown interior.

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Seems without going public that Rivian has secured another $2.65 Billion in funding for the company WITHOUT going public like Tesla. Existing investors have ponied up the dough and clearly with $8 billion in funding is set to move forward as a solid auto company.

Rivian shuns SPACs, closes another $2.65B investment ahead of electric trucks’ arrival (greencarreports.com)

Seems RJ has finally spilled the beans on the potential investment by GM. GM was going to use the platform for it's own auto use and provide them with manufacturing but wanted to own everything and not allow Rivian to let others use their tech to bring product to market. RJ choose to leave GM for an investment by Amazon and Ford and private investment companies while continuing to own and control their platform for licensing to other companies around the world.

As such, Rivian now has plans to have additional 6 EVs come to market by 2025. Cars as well as expanded Trucks and SUVs are on the road map.

I think that Rivian could surpass Tesla as RJ seems to be a bit more modest and yet smarter than Musk. Gonna be an interesting battle of EV Titans. Also once GM does get to market with their EV product line, I think they will have a cool big battle.

Be interesting to see how GM does their marketing in comparison to Rivian and Tesla.

Report: Rivian plans six new models by 2025 (greencarreports.com)

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Interesting read as Honda has confirmed a total Hybrid Portfolio for Asia and Europe and new direction for North America. 

The fact that Honda signed a long term exclusive deal with GM to use GM's Ultima battery and power train system for EVs for the North America Market, I have to wonder if the new BEV3 platform would not be used as the New HR-V EV and they bypass hybrid for going right to EVs?

Next Honda HR-V will be different for America, possibly all-hybrid (greencarreports.com)

In regards to the Ford Mach-E on recharging, a good read on this review done in Oregon. Far faster than past EVs and still has natural room to improve. Was surprised to see they compared this to the E-Tron from Audi which had the fastest recharge of 80% battery pack recharged in 15 min.

Still excellent review as they person points out like in past EVs where Early Adopters that have the patience for new tech to be working some times and some times not, the Mach-E just worked, everything. Very positive experience.

2021 Mustang Mach-E: How fast does the Ford EV charge up on road trips? (greencarreports.com)

Seems we are moving faster than expected towards Cobalt free batteries with the energy density improving.

Charged EVs | New class of cobalt-free cathodes could enhance energy density of Li-ion batteries - Charged EVs

China has unveiled their 385 mph magnetic train. Very cool!

 

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For those that might remember the big Tesla 3 auto accident in Oregon where the battery pack was broke up and cells were sent flying into homes, through windows, etc. and the Fire Department had to wait for special equipment to come in so they could pick up the hot cells, seems at battery day Tesla showed off their new battery pack which will go into production in the Model Y and Plaid S Auto update car at the Berlin Germany plant first. This new design is building the cells into the whole auto frame so it is even more rigid.

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This reduces parts and weight, but I see that it does open up the auto to sending cells flying everywhere in a bad crash.

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While as a Tech guy I am always excited by new stuff, having the battery pack an integrated part of the frame with both front and rear wheel connection points now part of this does make me think that this is going to reduce even further the ability to repair an auto like this versus recycling it as they move to using steel strength plastic.

Very interesting design change.

First look at Tesla's new structural battery pack - Electrek

GM and Microsoft have joined forces with the GM subsidiary Cruise to advance self driving auto's into the future.

GM Bought Cruise rather than like Ford and others creating their own in house software company for EV's and the future of auto's. With this, then Honda became an investor in Cruise with a $750 Million investment for use of the Cruise software in the new versions of Honda ICE, Hybrid and EVs.

Microsoft has now become the latest company to put skin in the game with a $2 billion dollar investment in Cruise and bringing a much needed secure Kernel software design to the Cruise Subsidiary Startup. 

Ford uses the Secure NT Kernel for their Sync system and the new Mach-E software system. It looks like the EVs of GM could very well have a secure solid software system as part of the new BEV3 platform.

GM's Cruise self-driving startup raises $2 billion led by Microsoft - Electrek

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GM has started the Tease of the Chevrolet Bolt EUV ahead of the February 14th online reveal.

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On 1/17/2021 at 6:27 PM, ocnblu said:

So easy to see, if one opens his eyes... this is a CGI and not "the real thing" ~ so yeah, i have a problem with Ford calling their expensive, useless, delayed, slow-charging EV a Mustang ~

 

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You're not buying one anyway so what the hell do you care? 

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3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

You're not buying one anyway so what the hell do you care? 

You're right.  Too expensive, not as useful as a normal car.  Too unpredictable.  Those are some of the reasons it gets a neigh from ocn.  Those brave souls who have money to burn and no particular place to go... have at it.

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I have said the Mach-E is too pricey starting at $43K, but that was when I was still under the impression that the average new vehicle price was still down around $35K (It's now $40K). It's above average, but it's certainly within reach of the average buyer. Ford would sell more if it was starting -say- around $33K, but the spectre of Red Ink always lurks around BEVs.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/global-sales-of-electric-cars-accelerate-fast-in-2020-despite-covid-pandemic

 

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Global sales of electric cars accelerated fast in 2020, rising by 43% to more than 3m, despite overall car sales slumping by a fifth during the coronavirus pandemic.

Sales of electric cars more than doubled in Europe, pushing the region past China as the world’s biggest market for them, according to data published on Tuesday by EV-volumes.com, a Sweden-based consultancy.

Sales of battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) made up 4.2% of the global car market, up from 2.5% in 2019. The rising sales are being driven by government policies to reduce carbon emissions, but a key factor is that electric cars are simply a better technology, said Viktor Irle, sales and marketing analyst at EV-volumes.com.

Sales of electric cars did fall below 2019’s levels from March to June, at the height of the Covid-19 lockdowns, but recovered strongly after that and by December were at double the level in December 2019.

 

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14 hours ago, ocnblu said:

You're right.  Too expensive, not as useful as a normal car.  Too unpredictable.  Those are some of the reasons it gets a neigh from ocn.  Those brave souls who have money to burn and no particular place to go... have at it.

Yes because burning your money on a different car or truck every other year (with a lot of foreign makes in that mix), like you do, makes perfect financial sense. Again, what are you doing on this thread other than trolling for the sake of trolling?

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14 hours ago, ocnblu said:

You're right.  Too expensive, not as useful as a normal car.  Too unpredictable.  Those are some of the reasons it gets a neigh from ocn.  Those brave souls who have money to burn and no particular place to go... have at it.

What's unpredictable? You already know about the cold weather range so what don't you know that is unpredictable? 

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

What's unpredictable? You already know about the cold weather range so what don't you know that is unpredictable? 

Exactly. Meanwhile, range fluctuations are not unique to EVs. Per Fueleconomy.gov:

"Cold weather and winter driving conditions can reduce your fuel economysignificantly. Fuel economy tests show that, in city driving, a conventional gasoline car's gas mileage is roughly 15% lower at 20°F than it would be at 77°F. It can drop as much as 24% for short (3- to 4-mile) trips."

And I'd like to add that extreme heat (like Phoenix summers) will affect it as well but we shouldn't let the obvious facts get in the way of Blu sounding like a complete fool.

Again, a troll just being what he is, a troll (and an uninformed one at that).

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