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Sandy Munro's E3 and E4.   E3 is just him enjoying the road trip. He likes the scenery Utah.

 

E4

Nothing to report other than the trip is going smoothly. And he talks about gas station food. He enjoys it...

 

 

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Haha, while ignoring the elephant in the room... CALIFORNIA... the biggest whiny brat in the union.

So, you're not wrong, but just wanted to zoom in a bit for more detail.... Storms do happen, no grid is ever 100%.  I lose power shockingly often for being only ~10 miles from a downtown metro ar

It's been a while since I've been around.  I was browsing through some active threads when I came across this one.  After yesterday's announcement by California's idio, er I mean governor, it's more p

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8 hours ago, David said:

2021 should be an interesting year as multiple sites are talking about the points that have been stated by the new US administration. The following seems to be on tap and will be watched to see what all gets done.

Quote of the Top 10 Auto Items:

  • Rebooting Cash for Clunkers
  • Expanding / Extending EV tax credits
  • Revisiting Fuel Economy requirements
  • Accelerate Public fleets to all-electric. Focus is to transition the US entire fleet of 500,000 school buses to EVs within 5yrs.
  • Rapid build out of Charging infrastructure. Plan to add 500,000 rapid chargers coast to coast with feds working with local states.
  • Reduce charging deserts and energy poverty through a National policy to update / expand the energy grid everywhere.
  • Cleaner, sustainable and resilient energy grid. The focus is to invest in Americas Infrastructure to build a redundant greener electrical grid coast to coast. Expanding green energy production.
  • EV-manufacturing transition through financial support to help transition the US manufacturing plants to cleaner EV manufacturing.
  • Support for nurturing smaller US EV companies. This is making sure startup like Rivian, Lucid and Lordstown have access to intellectual guidance and as needed to financial means to ensure they can succeed in bringing their products to market.
  • Return to tariff stability

Wild card stated is the way Auto companies attempt to rewrite history as they now will have to deal with California CARB especially since half of the auto companies selling in the US sided with California in saying they could meet the requirements of CARB while the other half was divided into two camps with half saying they could not and half not taking a position.

How the Biden presidency will accelerate change to electric cars: 10 talking points (greencarreports.com)

Interesting times for sure in the auto industry.

Interesting VW story on their new Trinity EV project, next generation platform that will allow for a even smoother and faster building of entry level to uber luxury EV auto's.

On top of this, the Wolfsburg plant which was one of VWs largest ICE assembly plants is being converted to EV production to support increased EV demand in Europe.

VW CEO teases Trinity project to rival Tesla, revamp Wolfsburg plant for EVs (greencarreports.com)

Other than rebooting Cash for Clunkers (bad idea!), sounds like a good plan for the current administration.

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9 hours ago, David said:

The following seems to be on tap and will be watched to see what all gets done.

If... and I stress IF there wasn't a nation-wide pandemic and unprecedented issues with foreclosures/ evictions, unemployment/ebbing income tax revenues, bankruptcies/ fleeing businesses, withering industries begging for lifelines... MAYBE the Gov't could simply double the $560,000,000 of paper money they print DAILY and pay for many of these pie-inna-sky dream projects. I just don't see where the money would come from. I mean, it's on the order of $125 Billion just for the school bus dream... and the states don't even own all those buses (private companies & individual contractors are a major component- how does the Gov't force them to spend a quarter million/bus??)

Typical Big Gov't disconnect from reality.

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E5 of Sandy Munro's road trip

He says he barely squeezed in a charging point and that there were only two spots available.  Im curious now more than ever to find about his battery and range details...

He also said that his wife asked him to eat better food other than gas station hot dogs. LOL.

He also hinted that he took a look at a Faraday Future and he said that its a nice car and he is impressed by it.  Nothing else was said about it but he will go into detail about it later on.

 

 

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On 1/22/2021 at 6:28 PM, balthazar said:

If... and I stress IF there wasn't a nation-wide pandemic and unprecedented issues with foreclosures/ evictions, unemployment/ebbing income tax revenues, bankruptcies/ fleeing businesses, withering industries begging for lifelines... MAYBE the Gov't could simply double the $560,000,000 of paper money they print DAILY and pay for many of these pie-inna-sky dream projects. I just don't see where the money would come from. I mean, it's on the order of $125 Billion just for the school bus dream... and the states don't even own all those buses (private companies & individual contractors are a major component- how does the Gov't force them to spend a quarter million/bus??)

Typical Big Gov't disconnect from reality.

I get your take on this. One way to convert to an EV fleet faster is by allowing businesses to take advantage of tax breaks as incentives.

Example is that the private taxi drivers in Europe buy high end BMW and Mercedes auto's as they are allowed to write off 50% of the cost in the first year and the rest in year 2 as long as they drive over 100,000 kilometers each year. Easy for a taxi driver, gives them a nice new auto to drive, cleaner for the passengers and helps create multiple jobs.

Here in Washington state, there are incentives like this for the private companies that contract with school districts to convert over to alternative energy school buses that started in 2015. The number of Diesel had been dropping while CNG, Hybrid had been increasing and as the school districts have stated a move to EV school buses will be embraced once a return to in school classes after the pandemic is over.

Yes everything costs, but what price can you put on a child's life in comparison to breathing toxic diesel fumes?

In this regards, I consider everyone's life far more precious than the cost of leaving what has been efficient transportation for cleaner better transportation as we improve ourselves via education, science and technology.

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Episodes 6 and 7 on Sandy Munro's road trip are not worthy of a posting.  Episode 7 is both funny and cringe.

BUT...Episode 5 on his tear down of the Model 3 is a must to be viewed.

 

What I got from this small window:

Tesla is learning to engineering cars and to manufacture them, but they are improving at a snail's pace.  The Model Y is an example of how Tesla could be all across the board, yet on the 2021 Model 3, they havent fully embraced the improvements.  The production of the 2021 Model 3 is an improvement over the 2018 version, but not enough.  The Model Y which shares many components with the Model 3 is an improvement over the Model 3 including the 2021 version. But it baffles me (with Sandy's opinions in mind) as to why they wont go to the extra lengths to improve the Model 3 the way they might have with the Model Y.

 

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@oldshurst442 It is interesting at how slow Tesla is moving to embrace the Model Y improvements into the Model 3. This could be what causes Tesla to have to possibly partner up with another Auto OEM or ends up getting bought out by say the Chinese as Tesla is moving slower than the other OEMs in this industry and this story is a perfect example of just how challenging it is going to get.

Will BMW i4 outdo Model 3 in handling performance? (greencarreports.com)

BMW has clearly set their i4 sedan on outperforming the Tesla Model 3 and if they nail it, Tesla will be in trouble.

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Over the last 4 years, the DC machine has held up the final rules on Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act (HR 2675) now that the current administration released the rules that were being held up, it appears we just might see an actual Electric DeLorean "time machine" revival now a possibility with replica rule (greencarreports.com) 

According to this, the Texas company, yes same one that @balthazar pointed out in regards to this had shown off in 2012 an EV version where everything was just like the original except the power train. In 2012 they showed this auto exactly like the original but with electric power train, 200 miles battery pack and a 0-60 mph under 5 seconds. 

The company now believes they can build these auto's to be even faster, keeping true to the original auto and rather than go ICE, go EV with a far better performance and fun factor.

Should make for some interesting production as Tesla has moved to Texas, DeLorean is now looking to go into production with their EV time machine.

Interesting times we live in. 

 

 

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As we know, Government entities love to talk about numerical numbers and set numbers for things that have to be done. Rarely do we see them actually meet those set numbers.

City of LA is celebrating reaching a milestone two years ahead of plan. In 2018 the city of LA offered a wide variety of rebates for businesses to apartment complexes to install fast chargers or commercial chargers. At the time 55% of the people living in LA were renters.

As of the start of 2021, LA has 11,045 commercial charging locations opened to the public and businesses. That is 1,045 chargers more than the goal set of having 10,000 by the end of 2022.

Cool part is that at the end of 2019, 60% of the rebates applied for were for commercial chargers installed in apartment complexes. 

LA has now set new updated goals, 25,000 chargers by 2025, 28,000 by 2028.

This does not take into account Tesla charging stations or for profit private charging stations networks.

Charged EVs | LA reaches 10,000 public chargers, two years earlier than planned - Charged EVs

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Tesla, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!

While the current owners do not seem to care as much about the fit n finish of their Tesla auto's or that Tesla is buying fake wood trim pieces to hold together the Heat Pump in the auto or any of the other rubber band issues that have been discovered with the Tesla auto, the larger auto market does care.

Cox Automotive did a consumer research on Electric Pickup Trucks. In 2020, a pandemic year, 2.9 million pickups were still sold in the US. The focus was what buyers thought of electric versus ICE, age demographics and more.

As expected, those in the 18 to 34 age group were more than willing to consider and look at EV and ICE compared to the older age groups.

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Then as our Yoda of Old @balthazar has repeatedly pointed out from cost to design will play a point in how well the EV sells. As such, Cox Automotive did this comparison. Interesting is how Technology plays between ICE and EV as well as Horsepower.

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Then we get into what I consider the Meat and Potatoes of the study and that is clearly pointing to the first 4 big companies to release an EV pickup. Ford, Hummer, Tesla and Rivian and so see who is in last place right now should not surprise established auto company buyers, but should make Tesla Concerned as winning the hearts and minds of the American Consumer is no small thing. Ford has only one real issue and that is Tech Advances where they are just barely above Tesla compared to Hummer in 1st place and Rivian a very close second.

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Focusing on just an EV pickup purchase only gives the following some interesting numbers and if Ford Delivers, should do them well in their move to electrification for their whole product portfolio.

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Final interesting comparison is in how appealing potential buyers find the current EV trucks based on what pictures have been shown to date. Again, this should be telling Tesla, that your Cyber Truck is DEAD ON ARRIVAL!

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Consumer Snapshot: Electric Pickup Trucks - Cox Automotive Inc. (coxautoinc.com)

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Europe is truly leading the way in reducing reliance on fossil fuels to create electricity as the European Union for the first time replaced Fossil Fuels with Renewables as the leading form of electricity generation.

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In EU electricity first, renewables overtook fossil fuels in 2020 - Electrek

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Maybe this blazer will come back as an EV and then @ocnblu will have a new CUV to mock. :P;) 

Chevrolet Blazer XT-1 1987 Concept

 

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6 hours ago, David said:

Tesla, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!

155 people were surveyed for this "study".  Do you know how ridiculously small that sample is?  Do you care?

LOL this "study" was done by Cox Automotive.  Cox Automotive is a Rivian investor!  And ONE HUNDRED FIFTY-FIVE people were surveyed!  What a load of BS!

The Cox Automotive Consumer Snapshot Electric Pickup Trucks study involved surveying 155 in-market consumers that were shopping for a pickup truck, including 60 in market for an electric (EV) pickup truck. The survey was in field from Nov. 25-Dec. 2, 2020. Results are directional. Note: Cox Automotive is an investor in Rivian.

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6 hours ago, David said:

Maybe this blazer will come back as an EV and then @ocnblu will have a new CUV to mock. :P;) 

Chevrolet Blazer XT-1 1987 Concept

 

Certainly is ugly enough to be an EV, I will give it that.  Hated it then, hate it more now.

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22 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

155 people were surveyed for this "study".  Do you know how ridiculously small that sample is?  Do you care?

LOL this "study" was done by Cox Automotive.  Cox Automotive is a Rivian investor!  And ONE HUNDRED FIFTY-FIVE people were surveyed!  What a load of BS!

The Cox Automotive Consumer Snapshot Electric Pickup Trucks study involved surveying 155 in-market consumers that were shopping for a pickup truck, including 60 in market for an electric (EV) pickup truck. The survey was in field from Nov. 25-Dec. 2, 2020. Results are directional. Note: Cox Automotive is an investor in Rivian.

No different than many other survey's done that cover the auto industry and more. Still interesting info.

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Seems musk completed the underground tunnel system in Las Vegas to get folks from the Convention Center to the Strip. Will use Tesla 3's driving in autonomous mode to get folks back n forth over the 1 mile tunnel.

 

Found a full story on it.

Elon Musk Shows off the Mega-Tunnel He Built in Las Vegas and Promises Themed Opening Party (entrepreneur.com)

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55 minutes ago, David said:

Seems musk completed the underground tunnel system in Las Vegas to get folks from the Convention Center to the Strip. Will use Tesla 3's driving in autonomous mode to get folks back n forth over the 1 mile tunnel.

 

Found a full story on it.

Elon Musk Shows off the Mega-Tunnel He Built in Las Vegas and Promises Themed Opening Party (entrepreneur.com)

 

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The Vegas Loop consists of two twin one-mile (1.6-kilometer) tunnels, which form a loop. It connects the Convention Center with the Las Vegas Strip , creating an alternative, high-speed subway system. Passengers will be transported in autonomous Tesla cars and it will operate alongside public buses, taxis and the monorail.

 

 

THAT seems HIGHLY inefficient...

WHY?

Well...Paris'  (France)subway system, which Montreal and Athens, Greece use, IS an electric powered subway.

Our newer Azure trains 

Service resumes on Metro's Green line after hour-long shutdown - Montreal |  Globalnews.ca

 

Athens Metro

Athens Metro - Wikipedia

 

anyway...

1. the subway system does NOT need to be recharged as there is a continual stream of electricity flowing through the middle rail...  And at least in Montreal...its hydro-electric power.  Dont know about France and Greece. (Dont really care either right about now...) 

2. even as back as the 1980s, the system was autonomous. Actually, I think even NYC's old school subway is autonomous...also back in the '80s...

and  the next one is where Elon's idea might be shyte...

3. THESE are TRAINS...   HUNDREDS OF TOURISTS AND REGULAR CITIZENS  USE THE SUBWAY AT ONE TIME...rather than a shytty taxi service...   And dont kid yourself...these trains are fast.  

4.  Some other countries use MAG LEVS that are even faster than Elon's cars...

5. Montreal will also get an electric train ABOVE ground in 2023...to operate alongside taxis, ubers, public buses, metros and the shytty old school train system we got...

 

 

 

 

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@oldshurst442 I totally agree with you that the Tesla Tunnel is NOT EFFICIENT!

The only reason it was approved and done was that Musk owns the tunnel system, it is not a public system. Private system and I think more of a Tesla Marketing system to have people experience EVs Tesla style. 

Sadly, I think it is a FAILURE out of the box as I cannot fit in the Tesla 3 compared to the electric trains. I think many people will not be impressed on fitting in. More negatives over the long term than in the short term.

As with anything new, it will be cool for a few months to maybe a year or two and then people will be saying the same thing you have stated above.

Seattle Lite Rail is better than the Tesla Tunnel as it is both under ground in places and above ground and even goes over our floating bridges.

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1 hour ago, David said:

No different than many other survey's done that cover the auto industry and more.

No, c'mon; it's both statistically irrelevant and from a compromised source. Not admissible.

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12 hours ago, David said:

what price can you put on a child's life in comparison to breathing toxic diesel fumes?

This sounds like a wackadoodle conspiracy theory.

The exhaust is not pumped into the interiors of the bus / children are not dropping dead from riding a school bus.

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Pretty informative, I think the last minute starting @15:45 is one of the best parts. "Watts to Freedom" mode 🇺🇸👍🏼 There really is a crazy amount of Tech. in this beast.

 

 

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5 hours ago, USA-1 said:

 

Pretty informative, I think the last minute starting @15:45 is one of the best parts. "Watts to Freedom" mode 🇺🇸👍🏼 There really is a crazy amount of Tech. in this beast.

 

 

Now...let's hope that the EV public will accept it. 

There are several things that are against it and it isnt even out yet.

1. Its NOT a Tesla  

2. Because its a GM product and NOT a Tesla

3. Its name is HUMMER. 20 years ago, It quickly went from a stud to a dud BECAUSE green people shunned it for being a gas guzzling SUV.  We do not know if GM/GMC and/or HUMMER shook that stigma off, even if it IS 20 years ago in the past...

4. We already know that there are some ICE people that will hate on EVs no matter what...so this EV HUMMER cant even rely on the macho-ness of the big, brutish V8 SUV crowd...  Like you have implied with Cadillac going all in with EVs but Chevy will continue on selling V8s and ICEs...   The big brutish SUV crowd will just ignore this and go on and buy Yukons, Tahoes and TRX's from Dodge... 

 

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I see ‘it’s not a Tesla’ falling away rapidly as more BE’s come online. Tesla WILL lose market share. Hummer just seems to blow away the silly cybertruck and the Rivian, right off the bat. Looking forward to real world reviews.

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11 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I see ‘it’s not a Tesla’ falling away rapidly as more BE’s come online. Tesla WILL lose market share. Hummer just seems to blow away the silly cybertruck and the Rivian, right off the bat. Looking forward to real world reviews.

Oh...I agree 100 and 10 percent!

But as it is now...I am perhaps reading too much into the situation...BUT...

When Sandy Munro was discussing on Autoline Afterhours that his next tear up vehicle for analysis would be the Rivian, he explained that he went to his viewers and followers on-line to ask what vehicle THEY want to see to be reviewed. 

HIS viewers made an almost unanimous decision to choose Rivian and hence his next subject.

HUMMER, CYbertruck among others were choices...but as HE said, NOBODY chose the HUMMER. OK...the Cybertruck also had few votes...kinda proving your point about Tesla.  BUT...also kinda proving MY point about HUMMER. 

Maybe my #1 point is not all that accurate as to say that Telsa is infallible. And my #2 point is also less than accurate about Tesla too...however, HUMMER may NOT be such a hot commodity JUST because its a GM product and its name IS HUMMER...

GM marketing has to work crazy overtime hours to make this a hit BEFORE it hits the showrooms. Its BEHIND the 8 ball as we speak. 

PS: I am NOT doubting the capabilities of the HUMMER. Just the star power of it and the lack thereof. 

 

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I know Munroe and watched his first Model 3 teardown video, but he's not driving/directing BE sales in one direction or another.

Rivian has been talked about for what- 2 years? Hummer has only been been unveiled for like 2 months, and the launch edition is $112K vs. the $75K of the Rivian.

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