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The R1T seems to between the mid-size and full-size trucks in dimensions.  The OL is about 6 inches longer than a Ranger but 13-15 inches shorter than the shortest F150 Super Cab/Super Crew 4drs.

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Haha, while ignoring the elephant in the room... CALIFORNIA... the biggest whiny brat in the union.

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^ Because it has a 4.5' bed. 

Ranger is now the size of an F-150 of 20 years ago (unfortunately).
Ranger wheelbase is 127", Rivian is 136", an F-150 CC/5.5 is 145".
Rivian would be closer to 142" with a 5.5' bed.

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^ ..and the R1T has an integral bed, if it were separate there would probably be extra length also. 

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

OR... it’s there because you may need it occasionally.

My parody videos were making fun of such a statement. 

I understand lumber may not fit in the back of a 4 and half foot bed...but how many Home Depot runs to extend their backyard decks do Average Joe pick-up drivers do anyway?

How many Americans are constructing their own decks?  DIYers still exist in America?   If you tell me yes...I will be in shock!  Yes they exist.  But I have a sneaky suspicion that Rivians are not on these peoples radar even if Rivian offered a Ferd F Teenthousand version to haul bales of horses... 

What is it that AVERAGE Americans 'may need' to haul that is longer than 4 and a half feet on a regular basis?  Even for just ONE time???!!!  

This reminds me of my Greek from Greece upbringing (and I know Italians do this too) that my mom had two sets of dishes. The everyday shyt dishes we ate in...everyday... and the fine china Daulton Old Country Roses ones we had. That we NEVER brought out but we had JUST for that ONE special occasion...that NEVER came. I guess the Queen of England never had a REAL interest of visiting our home. *SIGH*  That the Queen never knew of my existence...   In the end, my mom got fed up of waiting for royalty to come and we started eating from them.  Yeah...I guess its nice to have JUST for that one BLOODY time one may need it...   But it seems to be a very silly way of purchasing shyt if you ask me.  

Ive ONLY owned cars in my life. And being of age where cars were downsized, so far in my life, I havent really had the necessity for a 4 and a half foot bed pick up truck let alone a 12 foot one... 

OK...THAT would be a lie. TWO lies. Ive owned a 2007 Ford Edge that made moving from one house to another flawlessly.  And when my mom passed away and I had to sell her house and move her shyt I had a need for a larger vehicle.  I RENTED A FULLSIZED VAN for the day... No biggie! No problem either as LIVING IN NORTH AMERICA...CONSUMERISM not ONLY makes it possible to OWN ANYTHING we want...including 12 foot bed pick-up trucks just in case we need it for that once in a lifetime event, but in a FREE MARKET SYSTEM...BUSINESS OPPORTUNITES for PROFIT makes it possible for business savvy folk to offer products and services to me and an REASONABLE price just with a phone call or phone app so I wont be saddled with too much vehicle for everyday daily driving duties...and I coould just rent a truck for 50-100 bucks plus gas...for the day. 

Obviously if Rivian wants to break into the U-HAUL it for yourself business in offering bigger beds to those folk who actually need big beds for their trucks, then they need to do that. But I also would imagine that aint really targeting those folk either.  They are targeting the posers.  

I would worry more about brand loyalty in those truck posers rather than how big the beds really are if I was Rivian.  THAT would be more of a challenge. The ones that are die hard Chebby guys and die hard Ferd guys and douche bad rolling coal Dodge guys...   Which brings me to the other thing.  These guys are probably V8 guys thriough and through with the occasional Turbo Diesel Cummins V6 guys...  A battery electric pick up truck is NOT on their radar. Therefore it dont matter...   A 4 and half foot bed is just more reasons for them to laugh at a Rivian truck. A truck they'd NEVER buy anyway... 

 

 

 

 

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^ Remember this post every time some article whines that a Cadillac trunk is smaller than Bimmer's.

Seriously, all the Gladiator pics with some sort of 2-wheeled contrivance in the bed show it either a. with the front wheel removed, b. with the tailgate down and the rear tire to the tip of the 'gate, or c. a Bizzaro World rack that hoists said 2-wheeler completely above the top of the bed. 

Seems a canoe, a pair of dirt bikes, a pair of motorcycles, a snowmobile, a jet ski.... I dunno; all sorts of 'targeted lifestyle devices' are being called into play by Rivian for a box barely longer than 4-feet. 

As for the integral body/bed, seems reasonable that an extra foot of length would be more than handled by a truck-specific, battery skateboard structure.

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Isnt Rivian the start-up that sold us off on their SUVs as lifestyle? 

This is off their website on the truck side. The SUV has its own lifestyle motto...

https://rivian.com/r1t   

 

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A truck built for whatever you call a road. Your electric adventure awaits.

 

Remember when the GMC Syclone came out?   The then automotive journalist's DID slam it by saying it was not a workable truck. Bed too small. Too low to the ground with absolutely no hauling capabilities.    Well...I remember those arguments quite well too and this is why I will defend my rant on top...

But lets be fair about it...the photo ops are all about lifestyle...nothing about Home Depot runs...

2020's Most Promising Off-Road Vehicle Is Electric - InsideHook

 

Rivian sells out first version of its electric pickup truck - Electrek

 

And a couple of others with the R1T going offroad.  

Which reminds me of another SUV truck thing  that also has a bed.   No bitichin' about this one's bed though. 

2021 Rivian R1T electric Price, Review and Buying Guide | CarIndigo.com

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

The then automotive journalist's DID slam it by saying it was not a workable truck. Bed too small.

Would love to read a link, because I HIGHLY doubt it; it had a 6' bed.
Of course it was a limited volume performance truck (2998 built), and there were loads of 7'4" beds in the line, too.

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RE the Hummer, I see that now. It looks so massive, I never really thought about it. Reports are saying 'about 5', which is 8" short of other GMC short beds, and a half foot longer than the Rivian super-short bed. I think Hummer should've at least matched the 5'8"box...

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4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Would love to read a link, because I HIGHLY doubt it; it had a 6' bed. 

No it didnt.

But the Syclone wasnt about Home Depot runs either.  It was a muscle truck.  But that was the thing. They whined about how it wasnt a functional truck, but they was missin' the point that it out accelerated Ferraris and Porsches. 

Kinda like with Rivian and its short bed. Its more of an expensive lifestyle machine.  We could slam it on how relevant it is as a lifestyle machine rather than it having a short bed of 4.5 feet.  In that pic, the surfboards hang outside of the truck, but they do seem to be hauled alright though. Skis could also fit nicely in the bed or on top of the roof so we could actually nix that argument too... We could have an argument on why bother we such an expensive toy just to go skiing and camping when a cheaper VW Golf could do the same thing. And I welcome anybody to do so but as far as Im concerned today, with short beds on expensive lifestyle trucks, there is nothing to see here, other than more money than brains would fit in here perfectly.  But to make a switch to EVs, we got to start somewhere...  Id say no thanx to this, but I dont have a problem with it.   I would prefer the HUMMER EV over this though 1000 and 1 percent!!!  

 

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7 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

No it didnt.

'91 GMC brochure :

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'91 Cyclone brochure. Looks like the longer, but I'm sure it's the shorter 6'1" bed. 

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Here's mag quotes about the Cyclone (cherry-picked by GMC)

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Shiver me timbers matey!  I thought it was a 5 foot bed or something.   Maybe I was picturing it shorter back there because of its Typhoon (Blazer) cousin.   

 

 

 

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Never realized the beds were so long on the old S10/S15s.  They seem so tiny compared to modern trucks. 

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Guy I've talked to occasionally over the last 12-13 years (his sister is a customer of mine) had a S-10 long bed still, circa 2010. By that time it was extremely rotted out, but standing by it I too was like 'this is a decent-size bed!'. 

The trucks overall are tiny, relative to now, but the beds were logically-sized to haul.

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4 hours ago, balthazar said:

RE the Hummer, I see that now. It looks so massive, I never really thought about it. Reports are saying 'about 5', which is 8" short of other GMC short beds, and a half foot longer than the Rivian super-short bed. I think Hummer should've at least matched the 5'8"box...

Yes, the Hummer like Rivian is an integrated 5FT bed. Off the GMC Web Site: Introducing the GMC HUMMER EV | Electric Truck Plenty long enough for the majority of Truck Owners doing what ever they need a bed for including life style camping.

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Rivian is not a 5’ box.

Correct, Rivian is 4 1/2 ft, Hummer is 5 ft, the point was it was an integrated bed, but 5ft long. Rivian has stated they can build longer beds. Ford EV Concept F-150 truck had a 6ft bed, but for the skateboard platform they will be using has stated it will also be an integrated bed of various lengths to support the wide needs of the market. 

I would also expect gm in building their full size and probably a mid size ev truck will have also integrated beds of various lengths.

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Per Rivians website about the R1-T

For maximum length, we developed the tailgate with a gooseneck hinge system, extending the bed floor to 83.8 inches with the tailgate down. With the tailgate up, the bed length measures 54 inches, making it easier to get around and park every day.”

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

You’ve seen OEM info stating their EV F/S trucks are to be integral body/bed??
 

That would be a mistake.

Why? 

Asking because I do not know about truck strength and dynamics.  An integral body/bed will have an adverse impact with hauling and towing capacity?

Or is it more of a manufacturing thing and the lack of flexibility of switching easily to market demand regarding bed sizes on the production line?  

 

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Trucks have long wheelbases [mine is 153" and it's not the longest]. That, in & of itself, is not a problem.

Where the problem comes in is in 2 areas- off-roading & heavy bed loads. Both can deflect the body with some negative consequences.
Ford tried a 'unibody' pickup '61-63, but there were customer issues when trucks had heavy loads- the doors sometimes would wedge shut/not close if loaded when open. Off-roading puts tremendous stress on a truck, and an independent bed allows for a flex point between the two, alleviating damage. Recall when toyoter was having so many issues on the FJ- people were taking them off-road and the body sheet metal was cracking/ripping. No; don't recall? 

'Journalism'.

Technically one could build a chassis/frame/skateboard strong enough to resist damage, but how frickin’ heavy are we going to go? A BE F-150 is going to weigh 8000 lbs as it is.

I also believe it's cheaper to build the bodies & bed separate when you have a lot of body configurations (unlike Rivian will have). It also allows a huge aftermarket partnership- flatbeds, custom bodies, etc.

You have to ask what a full-size truck with an integral bed/body offers the consumer, other that greatly-reduced choice. Because I don't know what that might be.

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13 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Never realized the beds were so long on the old S10/S15s.  They seem so tiny compared to modern trucks. 

Compact trucks with long beds were out for years, these are all useful 7' beds, as opposed to the useless Rivian ~

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@ocnblu Down vote for your Useless comment about Rivian. You have NO EVIDENCE that a 4 1/2 ft bed will be useless nor will the truck either. Maybe check your hatred at the door in regards to EVs.

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Leaked Rivian documents seem to imply that they will handle fast charging better than Tesla.

According to the story on Electrek, Rivian is going to offer chargers that can handle up to 300kW hours of charging compared to Tesla Level of 150 kWH or for those rare places that have been upgraded you can get 250 kWH of charging.

Rivian Adventure Network charging stations revealed with higher capacity than expected - Electrek

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