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Haha, while ignoring the elephant in the room... CALIFORNIA... the biggest whiny brat in the union.

So, you're not wrong, but just wanted to zoom in a bit for more detail.... Storms do happen, no grid is ever 100%.  I lose power shockingly often for being only ~10 miles from a downtown metro ar

The hilariously inept Newsom has provided plenty of material with this one.  The meme-makers are really making hay!    Chevy's new California-Compliant transportation alternative!

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According to CEO Mary of gm, the Chevrolet Silverado EV will be focused on affordability. With that in mind, green car reports that during the quarterly financial call last week, Mary stated that they had a private viewing of select commercial and various governments from city, county, state and federal that got a sneak peak of the Chevrolet EV Silverado interior and exterior.

Quote: “We gave a small number of them a sneak peek at the interior and exterior design. They said it exceeded their high expectations with zero emissions, long range, pickup capability, innovative storage, and strong value, along with a powerful design.”

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The truck was teased last year during their EV media show. Green Car which was present at the media event says they see design nods to the Former Chevrolet Avalanche in the BEV Silverado. Mary confirmed that in some of the Build combinations, the BEV Silverado will exceed 400 miles of range.

I have to think that as a RWD only BEV Pickup with such a large battery pack, you can easily hit 450 to 500 miles of range over an AWD version.

GM CEO: Chevy Silverado EV will be “a high-volume entry” affordable for fleets (greencarreports.com)

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4 hours ago, David said:

the Chevrolet Silverado EV will be focused on affordability.

Uh-huh.

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The issue with pitching the max range configuration is- it will involve going to RWD, which 95% of personal pickup buyers don't want.

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15 hours ago, David said:

I have to think that as a RWD only BEV Pickup with such a large battery pack, you can easily hit 450 to 500 miles of range over an AWD version.

 

Tesla's longest range models (and fastest) are the AWD, dual motor models.  

Would this be a mistake if GM went with RWD as their longest range models for their pick-up trucks?

Like Balthy said, regular folk would prefer AWD as the longest range model...

 

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What is the avg transaction price of a Silverado?

Because I think GM will price the starting MSRP EV version at around that avg transaction price. 

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I have googled several stuff, and I have learned that ATP for Chevrolet AND for the Silverado have soared these past few years. Chevrolet has had the HIGHEST ATPs in its 110 year history for 2020.  

In 2019, the Silverado had a $41 000 ATP and the Sierra was 48 000.  This was in 2019. I read that those ATPs have since risen at about $1000 since then, but I did not find a solid number.

I also saw that the Cadillac Lyriq will start at $59 000. 

Therefore, I will (safely) assume and come to a (logical) conclusion that a STARTING price for an EV Silverado will be at around $45 000.  OK...I will take the GMC Sierra's ATP and boldly say that a STARTING price for an EV Silverado will be $48 000  give or take a couple grand.  

Affordable?

Well...its all about what angle you wanna see that in.  

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I am more interested in how Chevy will sell the EV Silverado in terms what model will have the longest range.

RWD or AWD?   (FWD for regular, mundane Chevy EVs like a Bolt...Im assuming)

Not just the Silverado, but all Chevy EVs.  

Its interesting to me how Tesla sells its most fastest versions with dual motors AND AWD. Because THAT is the intelligent way to go, you know, put all that instant torque to the ground with AWD and of course these will be the most expensive versions...you know...twice the motors, more battery power, more speed...will ALWAYS equal MORE money to acquire.  But how THOSE versions ALSO have the LONGEST ranges...

But Tesla's marketing has ALWAYS been about speed and performance.

Chevrolet is NOT Tesla in that Chevrolet's have ALWAYS been about FAMILY.  Dads and moms carrying their children and their groceries and all their family needs in comfort yada yada yada.  There have been some fast family Chevrolet cars in the past, along with some legendary coupes like a Camaro, Corvette and Chevelle, but for the most part...speed and performance is not what Chevrolet stands for.  

I would assume that speed and performance kills range.  Like with gasoline, it takes a lot of energy to produce speed.  Energy that could be used for distance rather than speed.

Software to manage battery juice to be converted into speed, which Tesla has an advantage over everybody, may not be so beneficial to Chevrolet with that kind of angle.

Maybe, its in Chevrolet's best interest to have software to favour range rather than speed and performance for regular Chevrolet EV vehicles.

But for Camaros, Corvettes and Silverados, maybe a Tesla approach is better?  THAT is what Im more interested in rather than the price.  

We already know about the price factor...not a surprise there.  IF Chevrolet pulls a 35 000 EV starting price Silverado...THERE is THE surprise. If its in the 40-50 thousand dollar range. Par for the course for EVs as of now...  

 

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35 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I am more interested in how Chevy will sell the EV Silverado in terms what model will have the longest range.

RWD or AWD?   (FWD for regular, mundane Chevy EVs like a Bolt...Im assuming)

Not just the Silverado, but all Chevy EVs.  

Its interesting to me how Tesla sells its most fastest versions with dual motors AND AWD. Because THAT is the intelligent way to go, you know, put all that instant torque to the ground with AWD and of course these will be the most expensive versions...you know...twice the motors, more battery power, more speed...will ALWAYS equal MORE money to acquire.  But how THOSE versions ALSO have the LONGEST ranges...

But Tesla's marketing has ALWAYS been about speed and performance.

Chevrolet is NOT Tesla in that Chevrolet's have ALWAYS been about FAMILY.  Dads and moms carrying their children and their groceries and all their family needs in comfort yada yada yada.  There have been some fast family Chevrolet cars in the past, along with some legendary coupes like a Camaro, Corvette and Chevelle, but for the most part...speed and performance is not what Chevrolet stands for.  

I would assume that speed and performance kills range.  Like with gasoline, it takes a lot of energy to produce speed.  Energy that could be used for distance rather than speed.

Software to manage battery juice to be converted into speed, which Tesla has an advantage over everybody, may not be so beneficial to Chevrolet with that kind of angle.

Maybe, its in Chevrolet's best interest to have software to favour range rather than speed and performance for regular Chevrolet EV vehicles.

But for Camaros, Corvettes and Silverados, maybe a Tesla approach is better?  THAT is what Im more interested in rather than the price.  

We already know about the price factor...not a surprise there.  IF Chevrolet pulls a 35 000 EV starting price Silverado...THERE is THE surprise. If its in the 40-50 thousand dollar range. Par for the course for EVs as of now...  

Keep in mind that they have shown this to commercial and government groups already who were excited by what they saw and what ever pricing was stated for work trucks. 

Most work trucks are rubber floor mats, not carpet and hard plastic everywhere. If they start out at the entry level RWD range it is understandable. 

Makes sense to have the longest range on the least demand motor setup being RWD but also having AWD as an option. AWD with 400 miles is still impressive, getting 450 to 500 miles for RWD is fantastic.

I would like to know what the real range is for under load in the bed and or hauling a trailer for the RWD/AWD truck with the full battery pack.

Tesla like everyone takes a hit when it comes to hauling stuff / trailering.

I see the following for Tesla

  • Tesla Y RWD at 303 miles or AWD at 326 miles, but big difference in battery pack size between those two.
  • Tesla 3 Long Range AWD 353 miles
  • Tesla 3 Performance AWD 315 miles
  • Tesla 3 Standard 263 miles RWD
  • Tesla S Long Range AWD 412 miles
  • Tesla S Plaid AWD 390 miles
  • Tesla X Long Range AWD 360 miles
  • Tesla X Plaid AWD 340 miles

Based on this post, all Tesla 3 auto's come with a 82 kWh battery pack, you pay to unlock more range.

2021 Tesla Model 3 Has An 82 kWh Battery Pack: Document Reveals (fossbytes.com)

Stories like this of people having the technical ability to scan their own Tesla Y would imply also it has the 82 kWh battery pack.

2021 model Y scan my Tesla battery size | Tesla Motors Club

Weird that no where does any actual size spec for the Tesla S or X show up, just miles. Even in this detailed story with talking to Tesla, they do not want to talk about the actual battery size.

Tesla new Model S/X refresh: 12 new features yet to be announced - Electrek

Seems weird that Tesla web site would not be up front and honest about the actual battery pack sizes. I so hate the Tesla web site for the design and clearly slight of hand look here and not there and ignore the man behind the green curtain.

Two things, Tesla has simplified their offering and is focusing in on AWD offering only. Seems the battery packs are also possibly being made in one size with only so much being unlocked since they offer a battery software upgrade to increase range. Makes one think they might all have the same size battery pack and then software limited to a much reduced range.

Either way, I am very much excited to see what the affordable Silverado EV Truck looks like and is priced at.

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18 minutes ago, David said:

Keep in mind that they have shown this to commercial and government groups already who were excited by what they saw and what ever pricing was stated for work trucks. 

Most work trucks are rubber floor mats, not carpet and hard plastic everywhere. If they start out at the entry level RWD range it is understandable. 

yeah. I kinda missed that part.  Well, I didnt miss it. I glossed over it and forgot about it type deal. 

It is understandable. I agree. 

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Seems gm has an official recycler for all left over material and battery packs that need to be properly recycled.

Ultium battery cells from GM electric vehicles have an official recycler: Canada's Li-Cycle (greencarreports.com)

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Really good 6 month review of real world charging of a Tesla. Costs compared to estimated fuel cost for ICE and actual EV charging home and road costs. Very impressive.

 

An outstanding comparison of costs for all EVs currently on the market.

Compare Electric Cars: EV Range, Specs, Pricing & More (insideevs.com)

The charts alone are very worth while to look at and see a decent comparison on details that I have not found elsewhere. Great comparison charts.

I have been seriously thinking about adding dash cams to my auto's to protect my family from the idiots that get licenses and have no real business driving as they cannot even seem to understand how to drive. It is a privilege earned and not a right, as such, I am very impressed with the Tesla dash cams that have captured some incredible accidents.

 

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We were just getting settled in a long-overdue, Cadillac-led automotive weight reduction health program... everyone was making progress, shedding pounds, feeling more lithe & supple than in years... but NOW-

it's 7-layer fudge cake for everyone!!

9000 lb curb weights.... 😳

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1 hour ago, ykX said:

The GMC Hummer EV Pickup Will Weigh 9,046 Pounds

The GMC Hummer EV Pickup Will Weigh 9,046 Pounds: Report | The Drive

That's roughly 800 pounds more than a dually Chevy Silverado with 4WD.

Heavy yet impressive when you look at the full chart. Thanks for posting the link.

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18 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

That's insane...3000lbs of battery? 

Some recent break throughs on solid state battery with 4 times the energy density will shed weight fast.

I will post a write up on the new Lithium Metal Solid State batteries from QuantumScape soon.

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Just for comparison new Oshkosh Light Combat Tactical All-Terrain Vehicle that has mine and bullet resistive armor weights 10266 lbs.

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Original HMMWV weights 5200lbs

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Just too much going on this week to write up something. Seems the latest in Solid State Batteries can easily handle 10,000 fast charges with no damage for the Lithium Metal SS batteries.

10,000 fast charges: Researchers claim their solid-state EV battery solution will last longer (greencarreports.com)

The company bringing to market these new solid state batteries

Electric vehicles are here, the future is solid - QuantumScape

Presentations on the technology

Presentations & Videos - QuantumScape

Details on the BLT style of designed solid state batteries

Solid-State Battery Landscape - QuantumScape

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9000 lbs...

Will the Silverado EV pick-up weigh the same? What about the EV F-150?

7000, 8000, 9000 lbs?

Jeeeezus!!! 

If the weight dont come down, imagine these things getting into an accident with one another.  (I aint talking about the battery aspect, but the sheer weight of these things)

14 000-16 000-18 000 lbs of force NOT including the speed factor with just a TWO vehicle collision. 

Man, a small multiple car pile-up on a highway with 3 EV pick-up trucks,  2-3  5000 lbs Tesla Model S/Porsche Taycans or Audi GTs WILL produce a mushroom cloud and you WILL feel a shock wave 3 miles away!!!

 

 

 

 

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So the HummerEV has a GVWR of 10400 and a curb weight of 9050 - means the payload capacity on a 4.5-ton vehicle is a measly 1350 lbs. 😬

My 2500HD weighs 5900 and has a GVWR of 9200, a difference of 3,300 lbs. 

That ain't progress. 

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13 hours ago, balthazar said:

So the HummerEV has a GVWR of 10400 and a curb weight of 9050 - means the payload capacity on a 4.5-ton vehicle is a measly 1350 lbs. 😬

My 2500HD weighs 5900 and has a GVWR of 9200, a difference of 3,300 lbs. 

That ain't progress. 

True, but the 2500HD is a true work truck for hauling stuff.   The Hummer EV is just a pricy toy.  

13 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

9000 lbs...

Will the Silverado EV pick-up weigh the same? What about the EV F-150?

7000, 8000, 9000 lbs?

Jeeeezus!!! 

If the weight dont come down, imagine these things getting into an accident with one another.  (I aint talking about the battery aspect, but the sheer weight of these things)

14 000-16 000-18 000 lbs of force NOT including the speed factor with just a TWO vehicle collision. 

Man, a small multiple car pile-up on a highway with 3 EV pick-up trucks,  2-3  5000 lbs Tesla Model S/Porsche Taycans or Audi GTs WILL produce a mushroom cloud and you WILL feel a shock wave 3 miles away!!!

 

And imagine the poor schlub in the Chevy Spark they run into... wouldn't stand a chance. 

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45 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

The Hummer EV is just a pricy toy.  

The full-size 1,000 HP Hummer super truck has the same payload rating as a 260 HP Jeep Wrangler.
Put 4 adults in the Hummer at 225 lbs each and you can only load in 450 more pounds of 'adventure gear'.
Put 5 225 lbs adults in there and you can only carry another 225 lbs. Better get ice at your destination.
Frunk is immaterial- you can't pack it & the bed without going over the GVWR.

It's a monstrous Corvette.
 

48 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

And imagine the poor schlub in the Chevy Spark they run into... wouldn't stand a chance. 

This is ANOTHER significant, unspoken aspect of the move to super-heavy BE's. Crash ratings are done according to vehicle weight classes- a sub compact with a 5 start frontal rating is measured against other sub-compacts; it's not going to 'perform' at a 5-star level against an F-250 crew cab. Now stage that impact with an F-250 weighing 2500 lbs MORE.

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Original Hummer H1 payload was 2200-2450 lbs.

This is HUGELY disappointing to me; not that I was remotely considering getting one, but with the lofty HP/TRQ figures being splattered around, payload should've INCREASED, never mind stayed the same, NEVERMIND GET HALVED.

Rivian R1T payload is still well down from IC at 1750 lbs, but that's still 400 lbs more than the Hummer.

WTH.

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