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8 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Yeah...I do not like shifting my own gears either. But THAT does NOT make me less of a car enthusiast... 

No one claims that you can't be enthusiast if you don't like manual transmission.   However, many enthusiasts DO like the feeling of the manual transmissions.  And despite the small numbers of cars that sell with manual, it seems there are still enough people for some companies to keep selling for now enthusiast targeted cars with manual transmissions.  Perfect example is the brand new 911 and M3/4.  I think people who claim that they are overrated and not necessary in today's world are people who either don't know how to drive one or never driven a good car with good transmission.  

Sports cars are not only about numbers, but also how they make us feel when we drive them.  They are not a logical purchase.  It is possible that eventually manual transmission will completely die out, but until then there are still plenty of people who think as I do.

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On 6/23/2021 at 11:26 AM, David said:

I honestly think manual is overrated. Distraction from driving aggressively on curvy roads.

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On 6/23/2021 at 11:46 AM, ykX said:

Said not one car enthusiast ever.

 

On 6/23/2021 at 12:50 PM, David said:

I am the One!, Love racing, Love aggressive driving, Enjoyed when I was younger the shifting thing for a while, but honestly, a dual clutch paddle shift or just total auto is fine as they are faster than manual and once focused on attacking the road/course, the shifting thing is not even a thought.

 

On 6/23/2021 at 1:19 PM, ykX said:

Almost all racing cars have manual or semi-manual transmissions, obviously that is not a distraction for racing drivers.  And since racing is about getting that extra 0.1% to be faster, it is still faster then automatics.  Except for drag racing, but that's different.

On the road, every true enthusiast have no issues shifting, if you do it long enough it comes automatically, you definitely don't need to think about it, but absolutely enhances the pleasure of driving.    

 

1 hour ago, ykX said:

No one claims that you can't be enthusiast if you don't like manual transmission.   However, many enthusiasts DO like the feeling of the manual transmissions.  And despite the small numbers of cars that sell with manual, it seems there are still enough people for some companies to keep selling for now enthusiast targeted cars with manual transmissions.  Perfect example is the brand new 911 and M3/4.  I think people who claim that they are overrated and not necessary in today's world are people who either don't know how to drive one or never driven a good car with good transmission.  

Sports cars are not only about numbers, but also how they make us feel when we drive them.  They are not a logical purchase.  It is possible that eventually manual transmission will completely die out, but until then there are still plenty of people who think as I do.

 

All the bold parts that you made state otherwise that no one claims you cant be an enthusiast...

1 hour ago, ykX said:

but also how they make us feel when we drive them

 

And THAT statement would be EQUALLY as true about AUTOMATIC transmission-ed sports cars...

@David made an ludicrous statement about manuals being a distraction. But his statement of him saying that manuals are overrated do ring true.  Maybe a tad on the overdramatic side and its certainly a divisive statement, but if we are honest about it...manual transmission cars on crowded public streets full of traffic with gobs and gobs of horsepower that modern sports  cars make upwards of 450 HP and more, where even when the streets ARE empty, no one could possibly use ALL the gears safely at a safe speed...yeah...Id have to AGREE with him, and you should too, that manual transmissions on a modern sports today IS overrated...

EVEN on a Porsche 911 that you mentioned.  The Turbo 911 makes 570 HP.  0-60 in like 2.5 seconds. All in the first gear.  By the time you switch to second, you are blasting around at 100 MPH.   Only in 2 gears...

Shyte...the Viper GTS of 1997 could get you to 60 practically in first gear, you had to shift to second to actuallly attain 60 MPH all with JUST 450HP...

Even in your Mustang... you hit those numbers as your Mustang has 450 HP.   You have to feather the throttle in order for you to row all the gears.  And where is the fun in that...feathering the throttle on a sports car just to row the gears? 

In order for one to TRULY enjoy manual shifting on public roads on the Pacific Coast Highway for instance, one has to buy a Subaru BRZ or Mazda Miata....anything more powerful than that...on today's crowded roads, its just OVERRATED...

On a track? 

Sure!  All that you said about manuals. On public roads...its a different matter all together.

So...I wanted to make it a point that there ARE car crazy people that enjoy fast cars, sports cars but not necessarily like to shift gears.  For many reasons they do not like shifting gears and yeah...sometimes, manuals ARE over rated.  Not to you. You like shifting gears.  But to me...as I have opined my opinion, you at least understand as to why I do prefer automatics over manuals and why I might think they are over rated...

For David...ask him more directly as to why he thinks they are over rated.  

 

 

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38 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Even in your Mustang... you hit those numbers as your Mustang has 450 HP.   You have to feather the throttle in order for you to row all the gears.  And where is the fun in that...feathering the throttle on a sports car just to row the gears? 

In order for one to TRULY enjoy manual shifting on public roads on the Pacific Coast Highway for instance, one has to buy a Subaru BRZ or Mazda Miata....anything more powerful than that...on today's crowded roads, its just OVERRATED...

First of all it is 460hp :)

Secondary, this, as the previous statements are simply not true.

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56 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

All the bold parts that you made state otherwise that no one claims you cant be an enthusiast...

All the bold parts say that true enthusiasts enjoy manual transmission, period.  This is not mutually exclusive of the car enthusiasts that  enjoy other types of vehicles.

However, to be honest, on this forum IMO I see very few real auto enthusiast.  Few people who were, and were contributing something of real value, pretty much all left.  Most of the people that here currently just like to argue for pages about stupid sh@t.   And it is getting old.  So call me what you want, but at least I did and I do follow my passion as much as I can, not just argue on the internet.

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13 minutes ago, ykX said:

First of all it is 460hp :)

Secondary, this, as the previous statements are simply not true.

Um...yeah they are.  Manuals are over rated...   Facts are just that...facts.  In fact...manuals became over rated as soon as Oldsmobile invented the automatic transmission waaay back in '39.  

One could like over rated things. I like the Star Wars franchise for instance. I LOVE the Star Wars franchise to be precise. But seeing how Episodes 7, 8 and ESPECIALLY 9 turned out...Star Wars is COMPLETELY over rated. 

I even LOVE the Terminator franchise.  This franchise is TOTALLY over rated. 

I enjoy a Quarter Pounder with Cheese and a Big Mac. Talk about over rated... its the CLASSIC case of something being over rated... 

And there is NOTHING wrong with that...  We must not get too caught up with the superlatives... We must be able to call a spade a spade though but that shoudnt take away from what we like either... 

 

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20 minutes ago, ykX said:

All the bold parts say that true enthusiasts enjoy manual transmission, period.  This is not mutually exclusive of the car enthusiasts that  enjoy other types of vehicles.

However, to be honest, on this forum IMO I see very few real auto enthusiast.  Few people who were, and were contributing something of real value, pretty much all left.  Most of the people that here currently just like to argue for pages about stupid sh@t.   And it is getting old.  So call me what you want, but at least I did and I do follow my passion as much as I can, not just argue on the internet.

The bolded parts contradict to what you are saying in this post.

A true enthusiast is one who enjoys manuals.  THAT is what you are saying.

I do NOT enjoy manuals therefore that makes ME NOT a true enthusiast...

A car enthusiast who enjoys manuals is just that...an enthusiast who enjoys manuals...  And an enthusiast who hates on manuals is just that...an enthusiast who hates on manuals.    You  got a passion for the car crazy world, then you are an enthusiast.  BUY the car of your dreams and we may have a real definition of a TRUE enthusiast

And us arguing about manuals, is what you said above:   Its arguing about stupid shyte! 

Like I said above:   And there is NOTHING wrong with that...  We must not get too caught up with the superlatives... We must be able to call a spade a spade though but that shoudnt take away from what we like either... 

PS:  I dont want to call you anything other than an internet friend.  I just want to discuss stupid shyte with you.  

 

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1 hour ago, ykX said:

All the bold parts say that true enthusiasts enjoy manual transmission, period.  This is not mutually exclusive of the car enthusiasts that  enjoy other types of vehicles.

However, to be honest, on this forum IMO I see very few real auto enthusiast.  Few people who were, and were contributing something of real value, pretty much all left.  Most of the people that here currently just like to argue for pages about stupid sh@t.   And it is getting old.  So call me what you want, but at least I did and I do follow my passion as much as I can, not just argue on the internet.

Sad, as I consider myself a true auto enthusiast!

I have built more race cars than many here have, rebuilt more cars than most due to my dad have a garage, so yes, from rebuilding differentials, transmissions, suspensions to engines and that still has not stopped my enthusiast attitude for the auto and the future which I see as BEV.

We have those that love the old iron, those that love the 70's, 80's and 90's and now those that love the 21st century ICE. We also have those that love the future BEV. 

One cannot say that those are not enthusiasts. Yes we have a few that only seem to want to argue, but still could be considered an auto enthusiast, we had those that are auto enthusiasts of all things ICE and have left due to their own bad behavior. 

In our Multi-Cultural world, accepting change even when one does not like change is part of life and for those that would just focus on attacking change the people that support it is sad and those have left or were banned due to their behavoir.

Yes, we need more folks to join. Yet, in todays social media world and with a pandemic, it is hard at this time to get people to join. Hopefully this will change as the world get vaccinated, sadly for some it will not.

I challenge everyone here including myself to get one new member by the end of the year.

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A commentator stated that the fun starts at 14:59.   True...the enthusiastic driving does start there. All for a glorious 2 minutes and a half about. 

Another commentator wrote: 

I love how this shows the pure reality of driving. I'd be wanting to go faster, but we can't always go as fast as we'd like...ty for the pure, unadulterated reality of a super car.
 
 
 
And not just trying to drive fast, but for shifting gears... 
Maybe where you guys live, you still have open roads where one could enjoy shifting and matching revs with the curves and the straights and the spirited driving etc...
Where I come from, traffic and pot holes negate all the joys of driving.  Including cruising.   Not to say you shouldnt buy a manual JUST because a doofus (sorry David) on the internets said manuals are overrated. Buy a freakin' manual if that is your fancy. 
But on the flips side, let us not be blind to the fact that manuals ARE overrated for many many modern reasons... Traffic is one.
Speed and high horsepower is another (on PUBLIC roads).
 
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4 hours ago, ykX said:

No one claims that you can't be enthusiast if you don't like manual transmission.   However, many enthusiasts DO like the feeling of the manual transmissions.  And despite the small numbers of cars that sell with manual, it seems there are still enough people for some companies to keep selling for now enthusiast targeted cars with manual transmissions.  Perfect example is the brand new 911 and M3/4.  I think people who claim that they are overrated and not necessary in today's world are people who either don't know how to drive one or never driven a good car with good transmission.  

Sports cars are not only about numbers, but also how they make us feel when we drive them.  They are not a logical purchase.  It is possible that eventually manual transmission will completely die out, but until then there are still plenty of people who think as I do.

I have to laugh as you are making a HUGE ASSumption about me as I have probably driven more race cars, more sport cars and at higher speeds than many have. I have driven many a good car with a manual and many a good car with an automatic and I yearly drive 1 of the 10 best drives in North America at triple digits. I still think in todays age that Manuals are overrated now.

Be it motorcycles which is awesome.

Be it cars, this is where I go and drive and enjoy being an enthusiast.

Check out the North Cascade Highway, a perfect place for anyone who loves to ride or drive to enjoy the road!

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5 hours ago, ykX said:

I think people who claim that they are overrated and not necessary in today's world are people who either don't know how to drive one or never driven a good car with good transmission. 

I think you need to stop assuming things about people and their habits. I grew up on manuals and spent the first twenty years (after I was legal to drive at 16 in 1988) driving nothing but manuals, from a busted ‘81 Chevette to a (at the time almost new) ‘94 RX-7 and everything in between. Even after that, I have driven everything from a 2018 Corvette Z06, with a 7 speed manual, on down. I haven’t owned a stick in over a decade now but it was personal choice and had jack $h! to do with driving enthusiasm or lack thereof. STOP ASSUMING $h!, is the point here. Save your lofty standards for another site where they don’t mind the condescending tone of your posts.

2 hours ago, ykX said:

However, to be honest, on this forum IMO I see very few real auto enthusiast.  Few people who were, and were contributing something of real value, pretty much all left.  Most of the people that here currently just like to argue for pages about stupid sh@t.   And it is getting old.  So call me what you want, but at least I did and I do follow my passion as much as I can, not just argue on the internet.

Again, assuming $h! you haven’t the faintest clue over.

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3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Save your lofty standards for another site where they don’t mind the condescending tone of your posts.

One and only thing I do agree with you, I should have stopped wasting my time here long time ago.   There is only one true enthusiast and a decent poster left here @balthazar .  The rest of you are full of sh@t and excuses.

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11 hours ago, balthazar said:

"Can't we all just get along?" 😖

Folk in here need to chill; none of us are making industry policy here... we're just talking.

Most of us are talking but when certain self righteous asshats act like they know better than everyone else simply because of a certain car they drive (and the transmission involved), and then tells EVERYONE ELSE that they are full of $h! and excuses, I take exception because clearly that particular person doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. My "niceness" ends right there.

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In an effort to get this back on track, I am just going to leave this little Tesla Y vs Ford Mustang Mach-E article right here. Go ahead and act like Tesla isn't sweating the competition and remember what's been said here (repeatedly) about their quality that clearly hasn't been fixed after more than a decade in existence for Tesla. People notice stuff like that, you know?

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/comparison-test-2021-ford-mustang-110000731.html

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4 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

In an effort to get this back on track, I am just going to leave this little Tesla Y vs Ford Mustang Mach-E article right here. Go ahead and act like Tesla isn't sweating the competition and remember what's been said here (repeatedly) about their quality that clearly hasn't been fixed after more than a decade in existence for Tesla. People notice stuff like that, you know?

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/comparison-test-2021-ford-mustang-110000731.html

Lets also add this info, Panasonic, Tesla dedicated battery builder just dumped all the shares they hold in Tesla.

Yes they say it is for other investments, but reality is the price is very over valued and time to take the money and run as Tesla is going to have hard times as other auto companies start delivering their BEV.

Tesla Battery Supplier Panasonic Cuts Entire Stake In Elon Musk Company (msn.com)

Then lets also realize that Tesla is on a downward trend compared to Ford and GM.

Tesla stock is getting left in Ford's and GM's dust (msn.com)

Clearly, Tesla needs some better leadership.

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The Bipartisan DC infrastructure deal includes $15 billion to EV Charging across the country (500,000 Charging Stations), $45 billion for School and transit BEV buses and $100 billion in consumer rebates to trade in ICE and buy BEV.

Additional details seems to be $66 billion for rail to move to electric, Another $49 billion for public electric transit, this includes electric rail and $73 billion for Electrical grid upgrades.

Charged EVs | Bipartisan infrastructure proposal includes a new federal tax on EVs (updated) - Charged EVs

Biden’s goal of 500,000 EV chargers intact after infrastructure deal with 10 senators (autonews.com)

Biden Live Updates: Infrastructure Deal News - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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for 1.3 million, you could have a vaporware, Audi Quattro inspired EV

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36879338/1980s-audi-quattro-homage-e-legend/

The car will be constructed around a lightweight carbon-fiber monocoque and a 90.0-kWh battery, which the company claims will provide 249 miles of range according to the European WLTP methodology. Although no specifics on the electric motors were provided, the EL1's 805 horsepower will be sent to both the front and rear axles. E-Legend says that this is enough oomph for the EL1 to zip to 62 mph in 2.8 seconds, to 124 mph in less than 10 seconds, and on to a top speed of 158 mph.

 

elegend el1

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Possibly 1 of 250 Tesla S Plaid has self destructed according to this story. All the details are not in yet, but it does seem based on visual info that this Tesla S that burned to the ground this week was 1 of 250 Plaid models delivered so far.

2021 Tesla Model S Plaid Fire (jalopnik.com)

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EV News:

According to the California New Car Dealers Association (CNCDA) reported that plug-ins sold in Q1 of 2021 were 10.8% of the total auto market. All electric auto's (BEV) were 8.1% of the total market. CNCDA reports that 1 in 5 auto's sold is a Hybrid in California.

  • BEVs = 8.1% market share
  • PHEVs = 2.7%
  • HEVs (Hydrogen electric vehicle) = 9.8%
  • Total market share of all EVs = 20.6% for the state

Tesla market share in California is up 12.5% for the quarter which represents 5.3% of the market compared to Q1 of 2020 when it was 4.6%.

https://insideevs.com/news/516906/california-plugin-car-sales-2021q1/

 

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The Mustang Cobra Jet 1400, a purpose built all electric drag car just smashed records giving Ford a Big Boost in their EV technology. Seems Ford has sold all 68 production versions of this Mustang at $130,000 each.

8.27 seconds @ 168 mph quarter mile.

Cobra Jet 1400 Sets New World Record (motorious.com)

 

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On 7/1/2021 at 7:16 PM, balthazar said:

Yeah... but it burnt to the ground FASTER THAN ANY OTHER SEDAN!!

Ferrari or Lamborghini might want to challenge you on that statement.  

EDIT:

I just realized you said sedan.

Sorry!  My bad!

Yup...Tesla sedans burn faster than any other sedans.

Maybe when/if the roadster 2.0 comes out to play, then Tesla could own the 2 door sports car fastest burning record as well stripping it away from the Italians. 

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