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5 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Does that 'more economical' ignore the purchase price? The audi e-tron is like $35K more that the similar-sized audi IC model.  The upcoming rivian EV pickup is going to START at $62K.

Yet Feature function of the Rivian pickup is on par with ICE Pickups. Audi e-tron is highly priced for the new tech, but then all new things are.

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'All new things are" does nothing to address the economic comparisons between current EV & IC.
And the tech can't still be 'new'; Tesla was selling cars in 2008.

19 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Yes, but at least 50% of Americans are imbeciles in general, I see no point in trying to communicate with them...fuck them..live and let die. 

Ahhh; the tolerance! :D

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13 minutes ago, balthazar said:

 

Ahhh; the tolerance! :D

It's hard to tolerate ignorance and stupidity.

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Dfelt uses more fossil fuels than anybody else here and is supposedly a huge proponent for EVs.. 

think tom hanks GIF by The Late Show With Stephen Colbert

Does seem to be a bit contradictory, or maybe a bit of  'do as I say, not as I do' ? 

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4 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Does seem to be a bit contradictory, or maybe a bit of  'do as I say, not as I do' ? 

Absolutely... 

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Does that 'more economical' ignore the purchase price?

Yes it does.  I posted it myself that RIGHT NOW from a purely financial perspective, EVs are  still more expensive than comparable ICE vehicles (even taking into account less maintenance).

However, at the rate things are changing EV prices will be on par soon enough.

Personally, I am not yet ready to consider EV.  However, when in 5-7 years I will need a new daily driver, I think EV is definitely  will be on top of my list.

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I think within 5-10 years BEVs will be a much more mainstream purchase option. 

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"They" may have been saying that 5 years ago... and that still leaves a 5 year window that would overlap a year... 

2020's always seemed like a target range for electrified vehicles advancement in the market. 

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

It's hard to tolerate ignorance and stupidity.

Not in anyway saying you are, but; no doubt there are those, with an opposing POV, that consider yourself just as ignorant and stupid.
It's an intolerance circle jerk. Or 'idea racism', if you prefer.
Discussion CAN open minds and achieve workable resolutions. 'Don't even try / you can go die' achieves zero.

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2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Not in anyway saying you are, but; no doubt there are those, with an opposing POV, that consider yourself just as ignorant and stupid.
It's an intolerance circle jerk. Or 'idea racism', if you prefer.
Discussion CAN open minds and achieve workable resolutions. 'Don't even try / you can go die' achieves zero.

QFT.

I will be impressed when we see BEVs reach price parity with a Chevy Trax.  Why?  Have the BEV be a replacement for our currently vast ICE-based used car market.

The only thing BEVs cannot do is knock the ugly design out of some vehicles.  Have you seen the new Silverados in person?  WTF?

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4 hours ago, balthazar said:

no doubt there are those, with an opposing POV, that consider yourself just as ignorant and stupid.

If one group (Group A) has an opinion that is more or less factual...say...internal combustion engines cause air pollution and there has to be a better solution type solution...and electric vehicles are THAT solution, and the other group (Group B)opposes that solution by finding all kinds of problems...real AND imagined...well...Group B could call Group A ignorant and stupid, if they choose to, and they be right...in their own minds mind you, that does NOT mean that Group B's opinion is correct. That also does NOT mean that Group A is wrong either...

Group A's solution might NOT be the best solution, BUT it IS A solution.

Group B's solution might be to do NOTHING. Which aint much of a solution...  Ignoring the current  problems the way we have ALWAYS done them is NOT a way.  Finding problems with a possible solution while IGNORING the status quo, in my opinion, is more of an ignorant and stupid way of living then trying to change...

If humans change to one solution, and find out 50 years later that it wasnt a great idea, or 50 years later, there is a better solution, to me, THAT is more smart.

Continuing on a road to ruin, JUST BECAUSE...seems kinda dumb.

The thing is...what bias do we have while we argue against EVs?

1. DO WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE that internal combustion engines are bad for the environment and going forward with them is suicide?

2. Are we SELFISH and we just PRETEND that internal combustion engines are safe for the environment and therefore we use strawman arguments and petty shyte to denounce change?

I think MOST Americans are NOT dumb. They KNOW the dangers...

I think MOST Americans and American culture as of late is more of a SELFISH thing  and just DONT care.  

I think that kind of selfish mentality is even MORE dangerous for a society that an ignorant one. 

 

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7 hours ago, dfelt said:

Enjoy your life.

thanks man

10 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Dude, it's futile arguing with them...they will never change their minds.   Best to just agree to disagree and move on.    The US is full of anti-science people, arguing with them is futile.    

There is nothing more true than planting a tree to help the world.  Save your high talking for someone else.

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7 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Yes, but at least 50% of Americans are imbeciles in general, I see no point in trying to communicate with them...f@#k them..live and let die. 

How's that big fat Grand Cherokee running?

12 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

If one group (Group A) has an opinion that is more or less factual...say...internal combustion engines cause air pollution and there has to be a better solution type solution...and electric vehicles are THAT solution, and the other group (Group B)opposes that solution by finding all kinds of problems...real AND imagined...well...Group B could call Group A ignorant and stupid, if they choose to, and they be right...in their own minds mind you, that does NOT mean that Group B's opinion is correct. That also does NOT mean that Group A is wrong either...

Group A's solution might NOT be the best solution, BUT it IS A solution.

Group B's solution might be to do NOTHING. Which aint much of a solution...  Ignoring the current  problems the way we have ALWAYS done them is NOT a way.  Finding problems with a possible solution while IGNORING the status quo, in my opinion, is more of an ignorant and stupid way of living then trying to change...

If humans change to one solution, and find out 50 years later that it wasnt a great idea, or 50 years later, there is a better solution, to me, THAT is more smart.

Continuing on a road to ruin, JUST BECAUSE...seems kinda dumb.

The thing is...what bias do we have while we argue against EVs?

1. DO WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE that internal combustion engines are bad for the environment and going forward with them is suicide?

2. Are we SELFISH and we just PRETEND that internal combustion engines are safe for the environment and therefore we use strawman arguments and petty shyte to denounce change?

I think MOST Americans are NOT dumb. They KNOW the dangers...

I think MOST Americans and American culture as of late is more of a SELFISH thing  and just DONT care.  

I think that kind of selfish mentality is even MORE dangerous for a society that an ignorant one. 

 

What a load of BS.  But then who here is more known for gobbledygook than our boy olds?

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11 hours ago, ocnblu said:

we should all of us, plant a tree.  that would help our world more than buying an EV.  stop fooling yourselves.

Plant a tree...

What is the point?

Selfish shytes much like yourself just dont care....

Selfish shytes much like yourself whine why some fast food joints stopped serving plastic straws and went to paper ones to save the planet.  Selfish shytes much like yourself just say that are oceans are NOT polluted with plastics even though ignorant idiots much like myself show you proof. Selfish shytes much like yourself whine and say shyte like "dont try to change me". Selfish shytes much like yourself cry #fakenews and bitch about how you you always drank your sodey pop with a plastic straws and how its not America's problem.  China pollutes waaaay worse than we do...

Plant a tree?

What is the point?

Selfish shytes much like yourself dont believe in climate change...

Selfish shytes much like yourself just blame scientists that are bought by corrupt politicians for carbon credits.

Selfish shytes much like yourself just ignore YOUR scientific scientists that are bought by the corporate world. Selfish shytes much like yourself cant see the irony in all that.

Selfish shytes much like yourself dont even use your own eyes to see what is what...

Id say...stop kidding yourself, buddy...

Me?  Im alright, thank-you very much.  You?  Im sorry. Im truly sorry...

 

 

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35 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I REALLY like 'em.

I am sure they are very good trucks, but the new Silverados are really ugly-looking in the face.  The GMC Sierras look so much better.  There is a reason that GM truck sales are trailing both FORD and RAM.

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5 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

 

What a load of BS.  But then who here is more known for gobbledygook than our boy olds?

BS?

Enlighten me, buddy.

Show me how wrong I am. 

I AM BEGGING YOU!!!

Ive asked you THREE TIMES NOW TO TEACH ME!!!

All Ive got from you are just nay sayer words...

No proof of how wrong I am. No proof of where your reality comes from....show me how wrong I am!

SHOW ME.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

 

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1 minute ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

Plant a tree...

What is the point?

Selfish shytes much like yourself just dont care....

Selfish shytes much like yourself whine why some fast food joints stopped serving plastic straws and went to paper ones to save the planet.  Selfish shytes much like yourself just say that are oceans are NOT polluted with plastics even though ignorant idiots much like myself show you proof. Selfish shytes much like yourself whine and say shyte like "dont try to change me". Selfish shytes much like yourself cry #fakenews and bitch about how you you always drank your sodey pop with a plastic straws and how its not America's problem.  China pollutes waaaay worse than we do...

Plant a tree?

What is the point?

Selfish shytes much like yourself dont believe in climate change...

Selfish shytes much like yourself just blame scientists that are bought by corrupt politicians for carbon credits.

Selfish shytes much like yourself just ignore YOUR scientific scientists that are bought by the corporate world. Selfish shytes much like yourself cant see the irony in all that.

Selfish shytes much like yourself dont even use your own eyes to see what is what...

Id say...stop kidding yourself, buddy...

Me?  Im alright, thank-you very much.  You?  Im sorry. Im truly sorry...

 

 

First off, straws, whether they be plastic, paper, or dried blood vessels from sheep, are for babies and others with oral fixations.  I don't use straws to drink my UNSWEETENED ICED TEA.  Sodey pop is bad for you, haven't you seen the scientific data on that?

Secondly, who said I don't believe in climate change?  Hell, the climate has NEVER BEEN STATIC since Mother Earth formed an atmosphere!  It is CHICKEN LITTLES like yourself who are arrogant enough to believe humans can do (or have done) diddly squat to affect climate.

You're alright?  Please, place your palm on your forehead, cuz you got a fever of some type.

 

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3 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

First off, straws, whether they be plastic, paper, or dried blood vessels from sheep, are for babies and others with oral fixations.  I don't use straws to drink my UNSWEETENED ICED TEA.  Sodey pop is bad for you, haven't you seen the scientific data on that?

Secondly, who said I don't believe in climate change?  Hell, the climate has NEVER BEEN STATIC since Mother Earth formed an atmosphere!  It is CHICKEN LITTLES like yourself who are arrogant enough to believe humans can do (or have done) diddly squat to affect climate.

You're alright?  Please, place your palm on your forehead, cuz you got a fever of some type.

 

yes exactly...

The world has been in existence for millions of years...

I believe that amoebas drove Mopars up and down Lava Alley burning rubber all the way baby!!!  Then when the earth froze...they were snowmobilin' their frozen little hearts out...

 

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There's disingenuous terminology on both sides. And in a discussion that's supposed to be based tight around [an implied perfect] science, do we really want to be incorporating that?

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20 minutes ago, balthazar said:

There's disingenuous terminology on both sides. And in a discussion that's supposed to be based tight around [an implied perfect] science, do we really want to be incorporating that?

What's disingenuous about it?

That ICE engines pollute and the other side completely ignores it...

Using  "dont try to change me" arguments while mocking?

Which falls into the climate change argument while saying that the earth existed millions of years with climate change without the help of humans...and is simply just how the WORLD TURNS...while TRUE...

BUT IGNORING what HUMANS have done to the earth for the last 10 000 years...but especially what WE did to it the last 150 years...

Image result for hoover dam

(The one above is simply to say that humans SHAPE and CHANGE nature and its surrounding to humans' needs...no other living thing before and during human existence  SHAPES AND CHANGES ITS SURROUNDINGS...WE are the ONLY living things to do that. Even trees.  The roots just go through anything...even tough man made materials, the roots find a way...but the roots NEVER shape the environment...like humans do) 

Image result for los angeles smog

Image result for airplane pollution

Image result for industry pollution

Image result for ocean plastic pollution

Image result for ocean plastic pollution

 

Image result for hiroshima and nagasaki  Image result for hiroshima and nagasaki

 

IGNORING ALL THAT SHYTE while HAVING THE AUDICITY to SAY THAT HUMANS DONT HAVE A PHOQUING IMPACT ON THE EARTH???!!!

AND if THAT aint enough....WE HAVE STARTED TO POLLUTE SPACE...the upper upper of Earth's atmosphere...

Image result for space debris

C'MON MAN???!!!

To think that WE DONT CAUSE SOME CLIMATE CHANGE is to be TRULY ignorant...

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I'm certainly more inclined to believe climate studies from legitimate university scientists and researchers than corrupt right wing politicians, big oil shills, flat-earthers, and religious zealots.   

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1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

I'm certainly more inclined to believe climate studies from legitimate university scientists and researchers than corrupt right wing politicians, big oil shills, flat-earthers, and religious zealots.   

Yada yada yada blah blah blah

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10 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Yada yada yada blah blah blah

Image result for great rebuttal meme

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