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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

"effortless electric burnout" = guitar with no strings = no music.

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16 hours ago, balthazar said:

"effortless electric burnout" = guitar with no strings = no music.

I respect your choice in Music, to me it is Music of a different variety.

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Guitar with no strings 

Young Phoenix Coyotes Fan Shreds Air Guitar To 'Free Bird' (GIF ...

 

But we all know what that kid is hearing and feeling deep inside.  No need to hear it. Just feel it. 

Right now, Im feeling this.   

Angus Young GIF | Classic rock bands, Acdc, Angus young

 

And just in case you wanna hear it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Other times Zen tranquility is nice just like an EV.

 

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I read in Motor Trend that the Rivian "pickup" "truck" is the size of a Tacoma.  HOW CAN YOU FIT IN IT?

 

(I would LUV to see him try!)

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1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

I read in Motor Trend that the Rivian "pickup" "truck" is the size of a Tacoma.  HOW CAN YOU FIT IN IT?

 

(I would LUV to see him try!)

Your talking about this story where they say it is between a Toyota Tacoma single and double cab. The interior is sized to be full size. The CEO RJ is 6'2" and his son's are tall like him and fit, so I have to believe it is far more roomy than a Tacoma. This is also why I will wait till I can physical sit in the product myself.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-rivian-r1t-ev-first-look-electric-pickup-truck/

They say the R1T is 215.5 inches long in the story from 2yrs ago.

Today on the actual web site, it is 217.1 inches, so it grew a couple inches. 79.3 inches wide.

https://rivian.com/r1t/

 

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79 x 217 is full size. I don’t think with those numbers it has any size similarity with a tacoma.

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6 hours ago, balthazar said:

79 x 217 is full size. I don’t think with those numbers it has any size similarity with a tacoma.

Wheelbase
128.30 in
140.50 in
128.30 in
Length, Overall
212.70 in
224.90 in
212.70 in
Width, Max w/o mirrors
74.30 in
74.30 in
74.30 in
The above specs are from Chevy's specs page for the 2021 Colorado crewcab shortbed, crewcab longbed (6 1/2), and extended cab (6 1/2 ft bed).
 
Overall width
75.2
75.2
75.2
Overall length
212.3  
  212.3   
225.5
Wheelbase
127.4
127.4
140.6  And these are the Tacoma's specs.  Copied and pasted hastily. 
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I see what you're saying WRT wheelbase, but width is significantly down vs. 79".
I've never been in either a Colorado or a tacoma... But my old F-150 was 133" WB & about 80" wide (regular cab).

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Based on the Skateboard platform, those that have been inside the R1T say it has way more space than a regular full size truck. This would lead me to think that even when the Mid Size trucks are in the same width / length as the R1t, interior is implied to be full size.

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Seems that the war is on for who can slip through the Air the best. Lucid says they have the best numbers for aerodynamic efficiency of a luxury car. Seems Mercedes-Benz is going to have to work hard to catch up. lol :P 

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128703_lucid-air-claimed-to-be-the-most-aerodynamically-efficient-luxury-car

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Seems the first fuel cell plane test flight was a success making it net zero equal for a plane.

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/zeroavia-completes-test-flight-of-fuel-cell-airplane/

A video of the plane is a bum as I was wanting to hear how it sounded and the put a music track on it that keeps us from hearing.

Cool Motor

Finally found their post of it and WOW is that nice and Quiet.

 

Chili just bought 150 electric buses from China to expand their bus fleet to 455 Electric buses, 2nd largest in the world behind China.

https://electrek.co/2020/07/02/egeb-chile-orders-150-e-buses-santiago-france-nuclear-nevada-ev/

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We could certainly use those electric buses here.  Think of all the savings from NOT using diesel alone on virtually all US school buses, not to mention all the reductions in air pollution.  Saving green while going green: that should be the American way.

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

What savings?

Savings from buying all that diesel fuel and other fossil fuels generally.

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1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

Savings from buying all that diesel fuel and other fossil fuels generally.

Agree the Diesel fuel, various oils, gaskets, etc. there is much that does not get factored into the purchase price of a Diesel bus other than the fuel that would move the price higher. Electrics are higher priced right now, will come down over time, but they have a longer life on the road than ICE. 

I truly think if they figured in all the rebuilds, repairs on the ICE buses along with the amount of costs for holding tanks, disposal of toxic liquid, etc. the price of a diesel bus would go up considerably.

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Ill go out on a limb and say:

Cost of operation and initial purchase price and all the minute details regarding cost means very little in terms of us humans turning the corner and trying to live more environmentally friendly.

Take that how you will, but this being an EV thread, we could discuss how green fossil fuels are versus how green electric power grids are. 

The mining of battery elements versus oil drilling is the same.  Both need diesel power equipment to extract the materials from the earth.  Moot point.

The transportation of said natural  materials to their processing destinations is also the same as both use diesel and gasoline powered vehicles for delivery.

Transportation of final product (battery) and actual gasoline is also the same. 

Gasoline needs to be refined and that sometimes means that the energy used is not green and electricity is sometimes produced by coal powered plants so that too is the same.

After the life of the battery is done, recycling of the battery is not yet defined. So that could be an advantage for the fossil fuel advocates.

The problem though is that electricity in some cities/countries is produced by actual green sources and where the electric powered vehicle really gets an advantage over the fossil fueled one is that when an electric vehicle is used, virtually no pollutants are released in the atmosphere.

Remember though, even if a coal powered plant is used to produce the electricity for recharging purposes, the electricity is being transported by wires to the charging station... 

But...oil and gasoline CONTINUE to be transported by fossil fueled vehicles to the gasoline station on a daily basis.  Everyday. Every week. Every month. Every year. Every decade.  

Sometimes...the initial purchase price is really not that important when you factor in how we humans SHOULD be changing how we go on about our lives going forward in 2020 and beyond.  

Unless of course you dont think how humans live now is not harming our planet.  Then it doesnt matter what I or anybody else says.  

Go on about and live your life the way you want to.   Humans do have that choice to do what they want and we have that over the other animals we share our planet with. We have free will after all...

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

I truly think if they figured in all the rebuilds, repairs on the ICE buses along with the amount of costs for holding tanks, disposal of toxic liquid, etc. the price of a diesel bus would go up considerably.

They already do that, Felt.
(If not 100%) 99% of school buses are owned by 1. municipalities, 2. school districts or 3. bus companies. All 3 of those entities MUST record & report all operating expenses, either for tax or budgetary purposes. The costs for a bus fleet at a given entity are well known down to the dollar.

But the unproven claim that an EV bus lasts longer is irrelevant, because all of school districts I looked at last year researching this all had limits on bus life, usually by number of years (often around 12 years IIRC) Now, perhaps that could be re-written for an EV bus, but that would take time and I'll bet require some study/grant to support that change. But diesel buses' powertrain life is not an issue; they'll go 300K miles with aplomb.... except no school allows buses to be held in fleet anywhere near that long.

So we're left with the scenario that the amortization of a MUCH higher EV bus purchase price over the same artificial lifespan limitation would require A. greatly increased school district budgets, IE: raised school taxes, or B. greatly increased bus lease deals with bus companies looking to avoid bankruptcy in order to pay off said buses' higher MSRPs. Which again goes back to school budget approvals.

Of course, Gov't is exemplary at wasting & squandering money, so it may well steamroll a 50% hike in budgetary transportation costs to get EV buses in fleet; we'll have to see.

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10 hours ago, balthazar said:

I see what you're saying WRT wheelbase, but width is significantly down vs. 79".
I've never been in either a Colorado or a tacoma... But my old F-150 was 133" WB & about 80" wide (regular cab).

I am not sure if the quoted width for the Rivian is overall WITH mirrors or without.

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I believe OEMs report without mirrors.
My Silverado is 79.7, and I guarandamntee you that's without mirrors.
B-59 is 80.74 and doesn't have any standard sideviews.

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1 minute ago, balthazar said:

I believe OEMs report without mirrors.

Right, but GM, Ford, Toyota and Chrysler are professionals.  :smilewide:

Seems Rivian is not yet there.

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On their website, the Rivian R1T has a width of 79.3 and a track of 67.3.
Difference of 12", divided by 2 = 6 inches from center of tire to edge of 'envelope' (body).
Tires are 275/65R20, for a sectional width of 10.8" / 2 = 5.4" per side.
So track of 67.3 plus 10.8 (2 half tires) = 78.1.
I'd say it's safe to say the mirrors stick out more than 0.6" per side.

79.3 is body width.
Whew- exercise.

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