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Mercedes-Benz just released their environmental report on how the EQC impacts our planet and some very cool info.

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https://media.mercedes-benz.com/article/6fec9d20-cbde-4760-810e-6e0e885f36af

You can read the full report at the above link, but the bulk of it can be digested here in these 6 slides.

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Another interesting read on a story just posted at Electrek, as we know, in 10 days we will get the reveal of the Tesla truck and the big question is can they steel any mojo back from Rivian?

This seems to boiling down to a simple matter of how many motors, does it have torque vectoring and what is the approach and departure angles of the truck for real world off road use? As the story points out, we know Musk will point out the 0 to 60 time, Tesla Supercharging infrastructure, along with incredible straight line performance as they use their latest Plaid power train system. 

As Polestar has pointed out, Tesla Cannot achieve what Rivian has done with a brake based two motor torque vectoring system unlike the actual 3 motor system that Rivian is using as well as Polestar. They take nothing away from Tesla for the incredible leadership of pushing the EV auto industry, but they do wonder what Tesla will do to attempt to take back some Mojo from Rivian.

https://electrek.co/2019/11/11/rivians-quad-motor-torque-vectoring-sets-high-bar-for-tesla-cybertruck/#more-110016

As a person who lives in a state that is very green energy production and heavy sales of electric auto's, it is amazing to hear from my fellow coworkers who are Tesla owners that they have put down deposits for the Rivian Truck.

Tesla has a big delivery to do in a few days.

Interesting Video on the comparison of the two.

 

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I think Rivian is the one trying to steal mojo, not the other way around. Tesla has a foothold in the industry. Rivian hasn't sold a single production-grade/registerable vehicle yet. 

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Sadly it seems in Germany vandals are setting Tesla auto's on Fire. Go figure.


With the propensity for Teslas to catch fire all by themselves, perhaps waiting for an investigative report is warranted before assuming arson.

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2 hours ago, balthazar said:

 


With the propensity for Teslas to catch fire all by themselves, perhaps waiting for an investigative report is warranted before assuming arson.

The story says they believe it was arson, yet nothing to explain why that is.

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3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I think Rivian is the one trying to steal mojo, not the other way around. Tesla has a foothold in the industry. Rivian hasn't sold a single production-grade/register-able vehicle yet. 

I would disagree, Tesla had mojo with their initial S sales and the Model 3 announcement. Since Rivian has made their showing, the clear increase in reservations is showing that they have taken the mojo for now. Will be interesting to see Tesla Truck release.

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21 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I would disagree, Tesla had mojo with their initial S sales and the Model 3 announcement. Since Rivian has made their showing, the clear increase in reservations is showing that they have taken the mojo for now. Will be interesting to see Tesla Truck release.

Tesla will immediately generate more noise because...they're established. 

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1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

Tesla will immediately generate more noise because...they're established. 

Be interesting to see the reservations numbers to compare the two once Tesla opens up reservations if they do it like they did for the 3.

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It sounds like they are following Tesla's exact footprints...

"Production will begin in 2020. Fully equipped vehicles with the highest performance level and largest battery pack will enter production first. Our 180 kWh and 135 kWh packs will be available at launch with the 105 kWh to follow in 2021."

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16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It sounds like they are following Tesla's exact footprints...

"Production will begin in 2020. Fully equipped vehicles with the highest performance level and largest battery pack will enter production first. Our 180 kWh and 135 kWh packs will be available at launch with the 105 kWh to follow in 2021."

Makes the most sense.  Early adopters are usually willing to spend more. 

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@riviera74

Helllllooooooo Baby!  This is the Big Bopper speakin'.    Im here to tell ya that you should um...get ready to  dust off your Old Glory, because you promised me...

Tesla is just about there...being an American Icon!!!     And if Tesla succeeds in building a factory in Germany to build Teslas and zee Germans buy Teslas...  There is no need for Tesla to outsell Toyota and GM.  In other words, Tesla does not need to become the world's biggest car maker.  Hell, Tesla does not need to become the word's largest car maker now, EV or otherwise.  But you should be proud, that if Tesla gains ground in Germany by having SOME market share in Germany by having Germans build and buy Teslas over VW and Audi, BMW and Mercedes...boy...that be something, right?

 

Tesla is rocking those Germans like a HURRICANE!!!

 

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Seems someone at Ford messed up with posting the early reservation system for the Mach-e. Prices start at $43k and go up.

Check out the details here. Have to say I am liking the look of the Electric Mach-e

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I do wonder if that was an intentional leak or an accident.   Depends on how they have their CDN/WCM set up, I could see the content being 'accidentally' syndicated from a UAT environment to a PROD environment,  or maybe they have 'hot' and 'cold' PROD environments with a future PROD already staged and ready to be activated via the load balancer, etc.    Been there, done that...

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

I do wonder if that was an intentional leak or an accident.   Depends on how they have their CDN/WCM set up, I could see the content being 'accidentally' syndicated from a UAT environment to a PROD environment,  or maybe they have 'hot' and 'cold' PROD environments with a future PROD already staged and ready to be activated via the load balancer, etc.    Been there, done that...

Agree, I think it was staged for Sunday and someone was confused between the hot and cold production systems.

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Posting as I cannot seem to remember if I posted this and did not find anything by Drew or anyone else, but Nissan has gone to production of selling a compact / mid size electric pickup in China. Nissan has released this pickup with a 250 mile range battery pack and a starting price of $18,000 dollars. This is the Dongfeng Rich 6 EV pickup.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/16/nissan-electric-pickup-truck-dongfeng-rich-6-ev/

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25 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Love this write up and this story is not wrong. GM should have done more than the Bolt became.

https://jalopnik.com/this-could-have-been-you-gm-1839928376

 

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Ford and GM both had the same job at hand: get a mass-market EV into production, something that people will like. Ford responded by making an all-electric sporty crossover with a name everyone will recognize. GM made the Chevy Bolt.

I never understood why GM’s response to the rise of Tesla was the Bolt.

 

 

In all fairness, Ford had an additional 3 years to launch a Tesla fighting product. 

In all fairness, GM beat Tesla to the market by offering a more or less affordable BEV BEFORE Tesla launched the Model 3.

In all fairness though to Tesla, the Model 3 is just THAT much better of an EV product than the Bolt. 

In all fairness to Ford, GM rushed the Bolt to be first to the market in thinking they got this. And it would be a good product, but Tesla is THAT much AHEAD of its competition.

The Model S is a product from 2012.  The year that the Focus EV came out in multiple markets... Its just that the Model S and Tesla is THAT far ahead of everybody else...

Porsche came up a tad short too...

In all fairness to GM, Tesla is performance oriented. The Bolt is average Joe oriented. 

The Mustang Mach-E and the Porsche and the Audi and the Jag are all performance oriented. 

The Ford product comes the closet in being a Telsa killer.

The Bolt...is just on another market level. The Bolt is NOT about performance. 

The Bolt is about urban city driving. It fails NOT because its not a performance oriented product. It fails because it fails as an urban city product... Had it had nicer lines and better interior room, it fair better.

But then again, maybe the EV market for now IS performance oriented, and the Mustang Mach-E does NOT disappoint.

I had high hopes for the Porsche Taycan, and it being a Porsche, I thought it slaughter the Model S...a 7 year older model. It does not. 

To boot, the Plaid handling version as a test mule looks to spank the Porsche on its own turf as well, on the 'Ring...

NOT a good thing for the Taycan...

 

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The Bolt is more of A Leaf competitor a mass market commuter EV.  The Cadillac EV CUV could be GM’s real Tesla competitor.  

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4 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

The Bolt is more of A Leaf competitor a mass market commuter EV.  The Cadillac EV CUV could be GM’s real Tesla competitor.  

By vehicle size/type; yes.

But by price; the Bolt is about 20% more than the Leaf and is actually priced higher than Model 3.

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@oldshurst442 If GM had not stopped at the FWD appliance the Bolt is but also did an AWD Performance version too, I think it would have resonated more with the public. The lack of interior choices as they went too sparse and the quirky exterior have held the Bolt back. If GM would get an all black interior and add a warm brown interior, I think it would sell better.

There is so much more GM could do with the Bolt and has not waiting for version 2.0 and Ford is going to eat their lunch with the Mach e.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

@oldshurst442 If GM had not stopped at the FWD appliance the Bolt is but also did an AWD Performance version too, I think it would have resonated more with the public. The lack of interior choices as they went too sparse and the quirky exterior have held the Bolt back. If GM would get an all black interior and add a warm brown interior, I think it would sell better.

There is so much more GM could do with the Bolt and has not waiting for version 2.0 and Ford is going to eat their lunch with the Mach e.

The Jalopnik link makes a mistake in expressing an opinion that GM/Chevy had Tesla in their sites. Had Tesla products as a benchmark...

The only thing I gather Chevy/GM had on benchmarking Telsa was the price point in which the Bolt was to be sold at as compared to the Model 3. 

From the EV1, all the way to Volt gen 1 and 2, the Cadillac ELR, and then the  Bolt to the mild hybrid stuff on Malibus and Tahoes,  nothing suggests that GM ever wanted to do performance oriented EVs.  And GM could do a performance oriented EV if they chose to do so. 

They took a different market approach. 

Tesla has found that sweet spot.

It does not mean that GM's approach is wrong vis-a-vis Tesla's approach. It just means that GM's approach and its choice of its product's packaging may be at fault...

The Cadillac ELR was a 2 door personal luxury coupe econobox with an econobox derived Chevrolet version of its EV. And it also used the Chevrolet Volt's 1st generation tech instead of the 2nd generation tech, in an era when small, 2 door coupes dont sell. In an era when SUVs sell like mad. In an era when Tesla and Fisker were selling sexy body styled sedans and the Tesla was and still is eons ahead in  marketing, styling and dare I say in EV technology in some key tech areas...

The Bolt does not fail as an EV product. It fails on its intended mission as an EV product. Not in terms of it not being a capable EV, but it failing of it not being capable of delivering the marketing message that its supposedly sold upon. Packaging. And also, GM does not put full faith in that marketing message either...and so the marketing is also downplayed...

The Mustang Mach-E will only eat its lunch if EV buyers buy into a 

1. Mustang EV

2. A Ford EV capable of being a good Tesla product equal

I think point 1 wont be a problem.

But point 2 might very well be.

Some EV people have a strong bias against ICE makers and will NEVER take Ford, GM, VW, Nissan, etc, seriously and the Mach-E, as good as it seems on paper, does not have a chance and is DOA...

 

 

 

 

 

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Lords town motors says they will have their pickup truck out in Q4 of 2020 beating Tesla with a superior electric truck. Their base price will be $52,500 before Fed incentive.

https://electrek.co/2019/11/21/lordstown-motors-beat-tesla-to-market-electric-pickup/

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