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Haha, while ignoring the elephant in the room... CALIFORNIA... the biggest whiny brat in the union.

Alas, I think that era is long past...GM seems more content to coast on mediocrity and genericism in design these days.  

It's been a while since I've been around.  I was browsing through some active threads when I came across this one.  After yesterday's announcement by California's idio, er I mean governor, it's more p

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3 hours ago, David said:

GM DID Look at investing in Rivian but they wanted Rivian to themselves and wanted Rivian to dump Ford and Amazon which I do not agree with. Rivian CEO is wanting the tech to many companies and so GM choose to stick with their own platform.

It will be interesting to see which way Ford goes as they will have two platforms, Rivian for a Truck and possibly future SUV and then the Mach E platform. 

Exciting times we live in.

Agree. I do think Rivian should do well.

3 hours ago, balthazar said:

^ I expect the Ford-Rivian venture to dissolve also. Company A cannot successfully compete with Company B by buying Company B's product and revamping it. Plus, don't forget Ford's in-house truck EV platform under development.

F150 buyers different to certain extent from Rivian buyers. That being said...with you looking at new half tons...stopped by a Chevy dealer to check out Silverado 1500. Really liked the interior and the overall feel if the Truck. Think crew cab diesel engine combo sounds good with the 3.0

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3 hours ago, balthazar said:

^ I expect the Ford-Rivian venture to dissolve also. Company A cannot successfully compete with Company B by buying Company B's product and revamping it. Plus, don't forget Ford's in-house truck EV platform under development.

I suspect Ford will use the Rivian platform  to learn from unless they have already moved the Mach E platform into multiple other SUV autos to come. For sure Ford will make money on their $500 million investment for stock shares once Rivian goes public.

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1 minute ago, balthazar said:

Question: does the nature of BEV platforms push these vehicles to being Body On Frame (vs. unibody)?

Ideally, the 'skateboard' concept GM pioneered would be ideal to reducing costs of building variants.

Gm has stated that it would be a body on frame design, but looking at the way the Ultium platform is setup, it does mirror their earlier skateboard setup to my eye.

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Hyundai has announced they will have Ten models electrified for 2022. Moving up from a planned 8 models earlier in the year.

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Seems 42 companies have asked the Federal Government for action on Climate change and the acceleration to EVs. Japan is the latest country that is looking to ban ICE auto sales by mid 2030's or earlier moving to a country that supports Hybrid / EV auto sales only.

EGEB: Ford, HP, Amazon, others call for govt climate action - Electrek

Daimler has announced starting with January 1st 2021 to December 31st 2025 they will invest $85 billion in moving their product line of trucks, buses and personal auto's to EV's and or Hybrids.

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Daimler announces $85 billion investment, mostly toward accelerating electrification - Electrek

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Interesting, but I swear that this new Hyundai E-GMP modular electric platform is a copy of GM's Ultium platform.

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Hyundai Motor Group reveals E-GMP electric platform for Ioniq 5, et al | Autoblog

Mini has confirmed they are developing an electric John Cooper Works performance version.

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No More Tail Pipe for the Performance Enthusiast. 

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An electric Mini John Cooper Works model is in development | Autoblog

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Given that BMW can't build a gas powered car to save itself, an elctric mini seems awesome. 

 

Interesting test...

 

 

 

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Hybrid does worse than Diesel....but the Jeep is 66 Grand fully loaded....

29.8 out of the hybrid on the Highway with no trailer...impressive for a full size truck. 

Tesla...

 

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Very Cool, the First fully EV Charging station with Rapid Charge terminals has opened in the UK. This is the first of 100 new EV focused charging stations that will open over the next 5 years and the roofing is all solar to support the charging as well as pulling power from Green energy sources.

Cool fact to quote the writeup:

There is also a 6 MWh battery onsite which helps to balance the local energy grid and shift energy to periods when it is more valuable. For example, on windy winter nights the battery can store enough energy to drive 24,000 miles in electric vehicles the following day, helping to maximize the value of renewable energy resources, stabilise the grid, and keep prices low.

 

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UK opens first fully electric vehicle service station, powered by solar, today - Electrek

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8 minutes ago, David said:

Very Cool, the First fully EV Charging station with Rapid Charge terminals has opened in the UK. This is the first of 100 new EV focused charging stations that will open over the next 5 years and the roofing is all solar to support the charging as well as pulling power from Green energy sources.

Cool fact to quote the writeup:

There is also a 6 MWh battery onsite which helps to balance the local energy grid and shift energy to periods when it is more valuable. For example, on windy winter nights the battery can store enough energy to drive 24,000 miles in electric vehicles the following day, helping to maximize the value of renewable energy resources, stabilise the grid, and keep prices low.

 

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UK opens first fully electric vehicle service station, powered by solar, today - Electrek

The wave of the future...

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The State of Georgia and yes , the same state that is being contested by the current president of the US has opened the first Solar Roadway in the US. 

Located in the Atlanta Metropolitan area, Peachtree Corners using Wattway solar panels by French road-builder Colas Group has installed as a real world test panels over the whole road. They are installed on top of the existing road surface and provides comparable levels of Grip to conventional paving. This is an 18 mile road and will help to prove a better way of economical, environmentally safe helping to reduce emissions. This is one of the largest outside of France road installations as testing will allow long term viability by seeing how it holds up to Semi Trucks on down to Motorcycles.

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The road way is expected to produce 1,300 kilowatts-hours of electricity which will be used by a FREE Level 2 Charging station at the City Hall and open to all EV drivers who wish to use it. An energy storage system is also installed to insure charging is available for nighttime use.

Georgia gets first solar roadway in the US (greencarreports.com)

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Lexus has been lagging behind the EV race as they focused on their Prius Hybrid Powertrain going into everything they could. Now we have this. This is an update to Toyota's EV announcement last year with their new platform reveal at the end and the Tease of Toyota's new EV SUV that will come out next year. Interesting 13 minutes.

 

 

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Had a ride in a lexyoter UX250h Sunday. Ugly little spud; I think the Bolt looks better here. Very cramped inside. Super-loud whine in reverse & taking off from start in electric; C&D stated both the gas engine & the electric motor have 'poky' acceleration & makes 'course noises'.
So much for 'electric = silent'.

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Had a ride in a lexyoter UX250h Sunday. Ugly little spud; I think the Bolt looks better here. Very cramped inside. Super-loud whine in reverse & taking off from start in electric; C&D stated both the gas engine & the electric motor have 'poky' acceleration & makes 'course noises'.
So much for 'electric = silent'.

I totally agree, that UX250h is a POS auto and I truly believe due to it being in California for years before going nationally is the last of the compliance auto's still being sold. But it has the stupid L on the front end so badge snobs buy it, but it really is a UGLY SPUD as you say. Cramped, not comfy and NOT LUXURY! Totally agree with you here.

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13 hours ago, balthazar said:

Had a ride in a lexyoter UX250h Sunday. Ugly little spud; I think the Bolt looks better here. Very cramped inside. Super-loud whine in reverse & taking off from start in electric; C&D stated both the gas engine & the electric motor have 'poky' acceleration & makes 'course noises'.
So much for 'electric = silent'.

iT IS AN UGLY LITTLE SPUD. 

 

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10 hours ago, balthazar said:

Don’t know if you’ve been in one or not, but you’d also have to agree it’s much noisier than an IC vehicle.

My wife's car is a hybrid (Not Lexus) and it is actually quieter than ICE counterpart, and faster, and more economical.  Definitely not always the case between ICE and Hybrid car but that's why we got it.

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12 hours ago, David said:

But it has the stupid L on the front end so badge snobs buy it

You mean like buying an Escalade over a Tahoe/Suburban because of the badge? 

23 minutes ago, ykX said:

My wife's car is a hybrid (Not Lexus) and it is actually quieter than ICE counterpart, and faster, and more economical.  Definitely not always the case between ICE and Hybrid car but that's why we got it.

What is it, because that sounds like one heck of a combination? 

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8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

 

What is it, because that sounds like one heck of a combination? 

MDX Sport Hybrid.  More powerful than regular MDX with better transmission, it is definitely more quieter and gets at least 4-5 more mpg on average.  It is only $1.5k more than comparable regular MDX (well we bought dealer's car that was at the end of the year cycle and they used it in the dealership, had 2k miles but was significantly cheaper.  Officially we are the first owners)

I really don't understand why Acura doesn't make more of them but they are pretty hard to find.

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1 hour ago, ykX said:

MDX Sport Hybrid.  More powerful than regular MDX with better transmission, it is definitely more quieter and gets at least 4-5 more mpg on average.  It is only $1.5k more than comparable regular MDX (well we bought dealer's car that was at the end of the year cycle and they used it in the dealership, had 2k miles but was significantly cheaper.  Officially we are the first owners)

I really don't understand why Acura doesn't make more of them but they are pretty hard to find.

That's jsut it though....Hybrids are starting to go mainstream. Toyota can't keep RAV 4 Hybrid and stock, and Ford is starting to sell Kuga (escape) Hybrid in South America, where it should do well. 

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14 hours ago, balthazar said:

Don’t know if you’ve been in one or not, but you’d also have to agree it’s much noisier than an IC vehicle.

Yes, would totally agree with you on this, Sadly my wives youngest sister bought one.  Had to fold up my body and legs to get in. No one could sit behind me, Head was hitting the roof and it was the worst wine noise that even the radio could not hide. Sadly, Mia is a badge snob and she thinks Lexus builds the best. Even when I pointed out it was a rebadge of a Toyota and she could save money buying the Toyota badged version, she went off on an Ignorance of Lexus is luxury, better than anything Toyota builds and not part of Toyota. My wife was cracking up laughing at her. We warned her not to buy it, she still did and it is a shame. 

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