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On 10/8/2019 at 7:27 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

I don't know what GM is doing these days, there are no deals on anything except trucks.  

Model year changeover. Plus a strike.  Maybe they feel their 19’s don’t need to go any lower because they are enough savings vs a same 2020. And then maybe they figure they need to preserve inventory.  I dunno GM does silly things. 

13 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

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I wasn't around when you posted this.  Congrats.  This is one American car that definitely looks European, especially when I see one coming at me from my rear view mirror.

Interesting color (is it a shade of silver or bronze?  Can't tell).  That character line toward the rear wheel well works well.

Mostly, I wanted to say that it's great you were able to use your GM Card earnings on a low mileage demo.  I figured you could, but wasn't sure.

For my purposes, I wish they'd have also rolled out this model as a regular sedan, keeping those styling cues I mentioned.  I once drove an Opel Insignia in Europe as a rental and loved it, especially the "Americanness" of the automatic transmission.

Smoked pearl is a grey green and wth they discontinued it for 2020. Problems with the mix of the paint I guess. 

The sportback actually is just as useful as the wagon but call me lazy.  I wanted a power hatch and really the sportback should have an optional power hatch for such a big lid. The sportback load floor is lower so the usable space is actually really close  

This would be hot with the extra spoiler and the nicer wheels than the US GS version. And, if they put the 2.7t in it or the 3.0t v6?  Then we’d have a serious sleeper  

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To date, my biggest regret on the car so far is the overbolstered, narrow, kind of hard seats. The support is nice but it’s hard rolling in and out of them for ingress and egress. With the car being so low and all.  . And the boosters are just too close together.

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The seats in this new gen are so flat and narrow...I never expected the word "bolsters" to even make an appearance, outside of the GS seats. They never impressed me vs. something like the complete wrap around bolsters on bolsters of my 2012 GS that I loved.

Seats are most important though. Hope you adjust.

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On 10/12/2019 at 9:27 PM, regfootball said:

Model year changeover. Plus a strike.  Maybe they feel their 19’s don’t need to go any lower because they are enough savings vs a same 2020. And then maybe they figure they need to preserve inventory.  I dunno GM does silly things. 

Smoked pearl is a grey green and wth they discontinued it for 2020. Problems with the mix of the paint I guess. 

The sportback actually is just as useful as the wagon but call me lazy.  I wanted a power hatch and really the sportback should have an optional power hatch for such a big lid. The sportback load floor is lower so the usable space is actually really close  

This would be hot with the extra spoiler and the nicer wheels than the US GS version. And, if they put the 2.7t in it or the 3.0t v6?  Then we’d have a serious sleeper  

95946C09-1F34-4448-804A-8868EF2D6039.jpeg

 

 

To date, my biggest regret on the car so far is the overbolstered, narrow, kind of hard seats. The support is nice but it’s hard rolling in and out of them for ingress and egress. With the car being so low and all.  . And the boosters are just too close together.

So they pinch the thighs?

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On 10/13/2019 at 12:27 AM, regfootball said:

To date, my biggest regret on the car so far is the overbolstered, narrow, kind of hard seats. The support is nice but it’s hard rolling in and out of them for ingress and egress. 

Haha.  Am I reading the words ingress and egress?  Good one!  I was at the dealership today for a LOF.  I went into showroom and saw the wagon version.  I like the fact that the rear view camera screen is "contained" under the cowl of the dash.  I wish more new cars would integrate it into the dash that way (the correct way, for me).  I did notice the console sits high.  Does that feel okay or make it seem more like a sports/sporty car for you?

I told the salesman it would be nice as a sedan, with a defined backlite and identifiable rear trunk lid.  He said he will miss sedans and once had a Park Avenue Ultra.  And that this model, as most of us know, will be the only Buick passenger car next year. The times are a changin.'

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On 10/14/2019 at 10:50 AM, dfelt said:

So they pinch the thighs?

Quite a bit!

3 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

Haha.  Am I reading the words ingress and egress?  Good one!  I was at the dealership today for a LOF.  I went into showroom and saw the wagon version.  I like the fact that the rear view camera screen is "contained" under the cowl of the dash.  I wish more new cars would integrate it into the dash that way (the correct way, for me).  I did notice the console sits high.  Does that feel okay or make it seem more like a sports/sporty car for you?

I told the salesman it would be nice as a sedan, with a defined backlite and identifiable rear trunk lid.  He said he will miss sedans and once had a Park Avenue Ultra.  And that this model, as most of us know, will be the only Buick passenger car next year. The times are a changin.'

I thought the word egress might connect with you. Lol what is the occupant load. 🤣

I don’t mind the high console actually but the getting in and out of the car requires gymnastics to do gracefully as I get older 

Love this car!

But i should have gotten a crossover 😒

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On 10/13/2019 at 12:27 AM, regfootball said:

Model year changeover. Plus a strike.  Maybe they feel their 19’s don’t need to go any lower because they are enough savings vs a same 2020. And then maybe they figure they need to preserve inventory.  I dunno GM does silly things. 

Smoked pearl is a grey green and wth they discontinued it for 2020. Problems with the mix of the paint I guess. 

The sportback actually is just as useful as the wagon but call me lazy.  I wanted a power hatch and really the sportback should have an optional power hatch for such a big lid. The sportback load floor is lower so the usable space is actually really close  

This would be hot with the extra spoiler and the nicer wheels than the US GS version. And, if they put the 2.7t in it or the 3.0t v6?  Then we’d have a serious sleeper  

95946C09-1F34-4448-804A-8868EF2D6039.jpeg

 

 

To date, my biggest regret on the car so far is the overbolstered, narrow, kind of hard seats. The support is nice but it’s hard rolling in and out of them for ingress and egress. With the car being so low and all.  . And the boosters are just too close together.

I'll take that in red please......

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19 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I like the Tour X in this dark red.

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I like that color A LOT! 

If they could reduce the cladding around the wheel wells it would look so much better. 

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4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I like that color A LOT! 

If they could reduce the cladding around the wheel wells it would look so much better. 

Yeah, it looks better w/o the obligatory crossover cladding..

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15 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

If they could reduce the cladding around the wheel wells it would look so much better. 

I have no problem with it- so many of the same segment/niche have cladding also. For some reason- only Buick seems to get banged for it. [audi allroad]

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But then they would have to call it a station wagon and sell 1000 instead of 5000 a year.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I have no problem with it- so many of the same segment/niche have cladding also. For some reason- only Buick seems to get banged for it. [audi allroad]

Some look better than others with it. None look great with it but some it fits a little better than others. 

But, I think it looks terrible on the Allroad as well. 

It isn't the cladding itself that I don't like it is how thick and tall it is(Tour X and Allroad).

I think this is an appropriate amount for a luxury or premium branded vehicle.  

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I don't mind the cladding, would look better without it, IMO.  The odd thing about the Buick cladding is the pointless tab at the top center (some other makers do that also).  It's very color dependent also...on a dark colored vehicle it's not so noticeable.  (My black Jeep GC has black cladding around the arches and on the sills and is unnoticeable...black cladding on a light colored vehicle would stand out more).

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The Outback probably has about 1000% more cladding when measured by depth (yeah some owners probably use a little more as a softroader than TourX owners).  I can live with the TourX cladding.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, frogger said:

The Outback probably has about 1000% more cladding when measured by depth (yeah some owners probably use a little more as a softroader than TourX owners).  I can live with the TourX cladding.

Brand and marketing make the difference acceptable there, imo. One is a premium/luxury brand making commercials in cities and suburbs and the other markets to being capable anywhere you want to go. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

I like the Tour X in this dark red.

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Dark red, or that dark red, does work well on this vehicle.  With a little maneuvering of the pencil here and there, that could make for a fine looking Buick sport sedan.  But that won't be happening.  

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On 10/17/2019 at 10:30 AM, Robert Hall said:

I don't mind the cladding, would look better without it, IMO.  The odd thing about the Buick cladding is the pointless tab at the top center (some other makers do that also).  It's very color dependent also...on a dark colored vehicle it's not so noticeable.  (My black Jeep GC has black cladding around the arches and on the sills and is unnoticeable...black cladding on a light colored vehicle would stand out more).

100% spot on. 

The white frost tourx also should have grey cladding. Not black. 

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On 10/17/2019 at 10:26 AM, frogger said:

But then they would have to call it a station wagon and sell 1000 instead of 5000 a year.

 

 

Absolute truth. 

Two things, if GM hadn’t sold Opel (by doing so they created a situation where they are only selling enough on purpose to meet the contract) they might actually want to sell this vehicle. If they did want to sell more maybe they could also sell the decladded versions.  The second thing is GM overprices things and messes up the option packaging. Buick’s should have items like heated seats seats and rear armrests standard. 

 

Admittedly at the end of the day nowadays anything that is not a crossover is destined to be a niche offering.  

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15 minutes ago, regfootball said:

Absolute truth. 

Two things, if GM hadn’t sold Opel (by doing so they created a situation where they are only selling enough on purpose to meet the contract) they might actually want to sell this vehicle. If they did want to sell more maybe they could also sell the decladded versions.  The second thing is GM overprices things and messes up the option packaging. Buick’s should have items like heated seats seats and rear armrests standard. 

 

Admittedly at the end of the day nowadays anything that is not a crossover is destined to be a niche offering.  

Selling Opel was the right thing to do, especially given the situation in the European market these days.

In terms of the CAR itself, sure it would be better if there were decladded cars to sell since cladding usually looks bad on almost any car.  As for GM overpricing, spot on.  There needs to be a serious rethinking on GM's part when it comes to options.  What GM should do is make the top of the line standard and make a couple option packages on each vehicle (that's it!).

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Standing in a parking lot rightnow: see an MB, honda, nissan, toyoter, GMC... they ALL have black plastic wheelwell trim (“cladding”).

Except its just trim; cladding is applied OVER the vehicle’s panels, like subaru does. Or the old Grand Ams, or the feature’s ‘trendsetter’: Mercedes.

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this 'tourx' idea.....i wonder if it wouldn't be better on a full size RWD/AWD chassis, and larger size like the Avenir concept.  They could have the Avenir sedan and a full size TourX ; i know it would still be a low volume product but the vison of a grand touring wagon i think would be even better if the car were larger, 2-4 inches wider, a few inches taller (seat H point 2 inches taller), and 6-8 inches more on the wheelbase.  Like CT6 sized....

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Secured wheels for my snows from another donor Buick  

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18”. Someone upgraded their lacrosse to the GM factory 20’s and so these 18’s became available.  

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