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3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Yes, I think eventually once Tesla has their truck, complete series from compact to full size CUV/SUV that the sedan will die too except for a limited amount of maybe 1 or 2 at most sedans.

An EV car is one thing, but I just think an EV truck will be strange when driving and not hearing the engine and exhaust note. I'd need exhaust sounds broadcasted over the stereo like GM does now with the Escalade and other trucks that are so quiet inside, they do it with the CTS-V and other cars too. I think an EV sedan will definitely still be desirable and sell in limited quantities like you said at the end. They do sell well, but not everyone wants a CUV/SUV.

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13 hours ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

So no more Lincoln sedans even?! Or are they still struggling to keep Lincoln on it's own?

That said nothing about Lincoln and being on their own or not. 

Lincoln is separating from Ford more now than it has in decades. 

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8 hours ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

An EV car is one thing, but I just think an EV truck will be strange when driving and not hearing the engine and exhaust note. I'd need exhaust sounds broadcasted over the stereo like GM does now with the Escalade and other trucks that are so quiet inside, they do it with the CTS-V and other cars too. I think an EV sedan will definitely still be desirable and sell in limited quantities like you said at the end. They do sell well, but not everyone wants a CUV/SUV.

I honestly cannot wait for ICE to go away as the noise  is just that noise that I do not want or need and I hope that one can turn off the fake engine noise in the stereo system. I want to hear my music, not an auto. 

I also look forward to the days of Diesel being dead as just yesterday, I got off the bus to walk home, waiting for the light at an intersection and some 20 something idiot in his Ford Diesel stomps on it as he is getting ready to go through the intersection and belches out a cloud of black smoke that covers me and everyone else who got off the bus and he is laughing as he looks at us having just assaulted us with his noise, TOXIC soot and stupidity. These people are not understanding the reason for the diesel and why it can be eventually down the road replaced by quiet trucks that do not contaminate my air.

Do not get me wrong, I totally appreciate a properly tuned tone coming from an auto and tail pipe, but I leave that to the track, those specialty auto's. For the most part quiet auto's for getting around so you can hear the natural sounds of our planet is best for me.

🤔 Guess I am showing my almost 52 years of age. :roflmao:

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16 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I honestly cannot wait for ICE to go away as the noise  is just that noise that I do not want or need and I hope that one can turn off the fake engine noise in the stereo system. I want to hear my music, not an auto. 

 

Same here.  I want a very quiet serene cabin w/ minimal road noise and minimal or no engine noise. I want to listen to my music w/ clarity, whether it's classical, classic rock, new wave, jazz, synthwave, etc..

One area of cabin noise that automakers could improve on is the HVAC system....hate the noise of the fan when the A/C or heat is cranked up.

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10 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Same here.  I want a very quiet serene cabin w/ minimal road noise and minimal or no engine noise. I want to listen to my music w/ clarity, whether it's classical, classic rock, new wave, jazz, synthwave, etc..

One area of cabin noise that automakers could improve on is the HVAC system....hate the noise of the fan when the A/C or heat is cranked up.

This +1,000,000

Totally agree that we can have quiet HVAC systems and Dyson has proven that with their fans. It costs money, but then especially for luxury auto's that is what it is all about. It should be whisper quiet.

Yesterday met with some friends that are looking to replace their car and they test drove a Cadillac CT5 and then a Genesis 90 and told me while they love the exterior and interior of the CT5, it lost out to the Genesis which was way more quiet in driving.They both are 50 and said for them they love a spirited drive, but want as quiet an auto as possible.

I think the Auto companies need to understand that and address it in the auto's.

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

I'm glad I'm not that old yet. I love induction and exhaust noises on the correct vehicles. 

Like I said, it has it's place but not every auto has to have induction / exhaust noises. I would want that on a performance focused auto, but on a non performance focused ride, give me a quiet environment.

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3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I'm glad I'm not that old yet. I love induction and exhaust noises on the correct vehicles. 

I enjoy real induction and exhaust noises in a performance car.  Not fake, but not in a daily driver.   It's all about context...

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14 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Like I said, it has it's place but not every auto has to have induction / exhaust noises. I would want that on a performance focused auto, but on a non performance focused ride, give me a quiet environment.

Very very few vehicles have loud exhausts or induction noises and even less come from the factory that way. 

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8 hours ago, dfelt said:

This +1,000,000

Totally agree that we can have quiet HVAC systems and Dyson has proven that with their fans. It costs money, but then especially for luxury auto's that is what it is all about. It should be whisper quiet.

Yesterday met with some friends that are looking to replace their car and they test drove a Cadillac CT5 and then a Genesis 90 and told me while they love the exterior and interior of the CT5, it lost out to the Genesis which was way more quiet in driving.They both are 50 and said for them they love a spirited drive, but want as quiet an auto as possible.

I think the Auto companies need to understand that and address it in the auto's.

Like I said, it has it's place but not every auto has to have induction / exhaust noises. I would want that on a performance focused auto, but on a non performance focused ride, give me a quiet environment.

Like the Genovation GXE EV Corvette, that's almost sacrilegious. No exhaust sound on a Vette is like no mayo on a sandwich, dry and boring. 

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8 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

I enjoy real induction and exhaust noises in a performance car.  Not fake, but not in a daily driver.   It's all about context...

You actually can't tell that it's amplified sound in the Cadillac. They pipe actual exhaust sound and engine bay intake sounds from mics into the Bose Panaray sound system so it's real engine sounds, but doesn't really sound like it's coming from the Bose system, hard to explain until you drive one, I've driven a CTS-V it's pretty impressive. It's a nice and quiet V8 when cruising or a brute force sound whenever you want.   

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9 hours ago, dfelt said:

I honestly cannot wait for ICE to go away as the noise  is just that noise that I do not want or need and I hope that one can turn off the fake engine noise in the stereo system. I want to hear my music, not an auto. 

I also look forward to the days of Diesel being dead as just yesterday, I got off the bus to walk home, waiting for the light at an intersection and some 20 something idiot in his Ford Diesel stomps on it as he is getting ready to go through the intersection and belches out a cloud of black smoke that covers me and everyone else who got off the bus and he is laughing as he looks at us having just assaulted us with his noise, TOXIC soot and stupidity. These people are not understanding the reason for the diesel and why it can be eventually down the road replaced by quiet trucks that do not contaminate my air.

Do not get me wrong, I totally appreciate a properly tuned tone coming from an auto and tail pipe, but I leave that to the track, those specialty auto's. For the most part quiet auto's for getting around so you can hear the natural sounds of our planet is best for me.

🤔 Guess I am showing my almost 52 years of age. :roflmao:

Oh damn some guy rolled coal on you? That's pretty crappy.

It's funny because my Father at 67 still wants to hear his V8 in his Escalade or C6 Convertible Vette when he stands on it, actually ordered the exhaust pkg. on his Escalade haha and says he's not ready for an EV when I asked him about Tesla, so not all older gents like the quiet of an EV, he's a older gear head for sure.:breakdance:

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33 minutes ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

Like the Genovation GXE EV Corvette, that's almost sacrilegious. No exhaust sound on a Vette is like no mayo on a sandwich, dry and boring. 

How is Mayo dry? 🤔

4 minutes ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

Oh damn some guy rolled coal on you? That's pretty crappy.

It's funny because my Father at 67 still wants to hear his V8 in his Escalade or C6 Convertible Vette when he stands on it, actually ordered the exhaust pkg. on his Escalade haha and says he's not ready for an EV when I asked him about Tesla, so not all older gents like the quiet of an EV, he's a older gear head for sure.:breakdance:

I love my SS and the natural V8 Borla sound it gives me, but on my Escalade ESV for road trips, I want it quiet so that I can enjoy my music and scenery. Love the Caddy for Road Trips, SS for playing around and moving around quickly. Let me ROAR or GLIDE depending on my use.

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7 minutes ago, dfelt said:

How is Mayo dry? 🤔

I love my SS and the natural V8 Borla sound it gives me, but on my Escalade ESV for road trips, I want it quiet so that I can enjoy my music and scenery. Love the Caddy for Road Trips, SS for playing around and moving around quickly. Let me ROAR or GLIDE depending on my use.

I stated "like no mayo on a sandwich, dry and boring." 

Roar or Glide? Are you talking you're up in the air now?:duck:

TGIF! :cheers:

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6 minutes ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

I stated "like no mayo on a sandwich, dry and boring." 

Roar or Glide? Are you talking you're up in the air now?:duck:

TGIF! :cheers:

My Bad, I totally missed the No part of that No Mayo. :duh:

LOL, Yes I might just be, WHY..........

I am 43 minutes away from going on PTO and will be offline for the next week in the Canadian Rockies at Fairmont Hot springs.

You can check it out here: https://www.fairmonthotsprings.com/

I will say they are the best Mineral Hot Springs EVER!!!

Time to unplug and relax.

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4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

My Bad, I totally missed the No part of that No Mayo. :duh:

LOL, Yes I might just be, WHY..........

I am 43 minutes away from going on PTO and will be offline for the next week in the Canadian Rockies at Fairmont Hot springs.

You can check it out here: https://www.fairmonthotsprings.com/

I will say they are the best Mineral Hot Springs EVER!!!

Time to unplug and relax.

Very nice! Enjoy the time off!!

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On 10/4/2019 at 9:13 AM, ccap41 said:

That said nothing about Lincoln and being on their own or not. 

Lincoln is separating from Ford more now than it has in decades. 

Yeah, but they're not continuing with Continental in a few years and the MKZ will probably go when the Fusion dies. That makes Lincoln an all SUV brand. 

On 10/4/2019 at 9:45 AM, Robert Hall said:

I enjoy real induction and exhaust noises in a performance car.  Not fake, but not in a daily driver.   It's all about context...

I drove a C 43 AMG Cabrio last week and the exhaust note on that thing is fantastic when the helm gets the "all ahead full" command. 

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7 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Yeah, but they're not continuing with Continental in a few years and the MKZ will probably go when the Fusion dies. That makes Lincoln an all SUV brand. 

I drove a C 43 AMG Cabrio last week and the exhaust note on that thing is fantastic when the helm gets the "all ahead full" command. 

Exactly, and the new Aviator is on the Explorer chassis so not much separation with actual models. Lincoln IS trying to separate from Ford financially as a stand alone company "Lincoln Motor Company", but that's about it.

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2 minutes ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

Exactly, and the new Aviator is on the Explorer chassis so not much separation with actual models. Lincoln IS trying to separate from Ford financially as a stand alone company "Lincoln Motor Company", but that's about it.

I drove the Aviator and Explorer back to back last week (reviews to come)…. and aside from dimensions they have very very different personalities.  

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8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I drove the Aviator and Explorer back to back last week (reviews to come)…. and aside from dimensions they have very very different personalities.  

You're brave to want to drive those with all the suspension and gear shifter problems.

So the Lincoln had the usual bags underneath and wood inside? :)  Probably like the difference between the Traverse and XT6. You driven both of those back to back yet?

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Just now, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

You're brave to want to drive those with all the suspension and gear shifter problems.

So the Lincoln had the usual bags underneath and wood inside? :)  Probably like the difference between the Traverse and XT6. You driven both of those back to back yet?

It was at a drive event that Ford was one of the sponsors. They probably brought vehicles that have been gone over.

I'll be driving the XT6 on Thursday along with the Enclave Sport Touring

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8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It was at a drive event that Ford was one of the sponsors. They probably brought vehicles that have been gone over.

I'll be driving the XT6 on Thursday along with the Enclave Sport Touring

Oh yeah hopefully they would have gone through those units then. Did you ask them about all the issues? 

XT6 has the new dual clutch AWD, interested to see how it works. Thinking about visiting my buddy at a local Caddy dealer here soon.

8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It was at a drive event that Ford was one of the sponsors. They probably brought vehicles that have been gone over.

I'll be driving the XT6 on Thursday along with the Enclave Sport Touring

BTW, I want your job! Sounds fun :thumbsup:

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6 minutes ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

Oh yeah hopefully they would have gone through those units then. Did you ask them about all the issues? 

XT6 has the new dual clutch AWD, interested to see how it works. Thinking about visiting my buddy at a local Caddy dealer here soon.

BTW, I want your job! Sounds fun :thumbsup:

It's a lot of fun!

I've tried the dual clutch AWD in the Acadia All-Terrain.  It's unremarkable. It's mostly there to save fuel, so the only time you'd really see any difference is fueling up after a long trip. 

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2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It's a lot of fun!

I've tried the dual clutch AWD in the Acadia All-Terrain.  It's unremarkable. It's mostly there to save fuel, so the only time you'd really see any difference is fueling up after a long trip. 

It can shift all power to front or rear or split it right?

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3 minutes ago, USA-1 Vortec 6.2 said:

It can shift all power to front or rear or split it right?

It can send 100% to the rear and split it right or left.   

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4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It can send 100% to the rear and split it right or left.   

That's what I thought. Active Handling AWD.

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       Golf
      318 
      300 
      6.0% 
      5,330 
      6,361 
      -16%   GTI
       768 
      1,045 
      -27% 
      10,907 
      15,639  -30%   Golf R
       356 
      116 
      207% 
      3,829 
      3,380  13%   e-Golf
      366 
      230 
      59% 
      4,599 
      1,132  306%   Golf SportWagen
       945 
      797 
      19% 
      10,064 
      13,334  -25%   Total Golf Family
      2,753  
      2,488   
      11%  
      34,729  
      39,846   -13%    Jetta Sedan
      8,966 
      9,207 
      -2.6% 
      92,289 
      80,473  15%   Jetta SportWagen      
       (now Golf  SportWagen)


               N/A 
      -  71 
      N/A 
       Total Jetta
      8,966  
      9,207   
      -2.6%  
      92,289  
      80,544   15%   Beetle Coupe
      383 
      338 
      13% 
      7,380 
      8,181  -10%   Beetle  Convertible
      407 
      210 
      94% 
      9,123 
      5,313  72% 
       Total Beetle
      790  
      548  
      44%  
      16,503  
      13,494   22%    Passat
      228 
      2,156 
      -89% 
      13,409  38,285  -65%   CC


      -20% 
      56 
      444 
      -87%   Arteon
      317  -  N/A  2,166  -  N/A   Tiguan Limited

      273 
      -100% 
      390 
      13,357  -97%   Tiguan
      8,402 
      6,794 
      24% 
      101,642 
      81,123  25%   Total Tiguan
      8,403  
      7,067  
      19%  
      102,032  
      94,480  
      8%  
       Touareg

      85 
      -99% 
      153 
      1,964 
      -92%   Atlas
      7,756 
      5,233 
      48% 
      74,108 
      52,960 
      40%   Total Car
      13,058  
      14,404  
      -9.3%  
      159,152  
      172,613  
      -7.8%  
       Total SUV
      16,160  
      12,385  
      30%  
      176,293  
      149,404  
      18%  
       TOTAL 
      29,218  
      26,789   
      9.1%  
      335,445  
      322,017  
      4.2%  
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