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33 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Fair point but it should be pointed out that the C Class is a tick slower on that quarter mile than the now defunct ATS (with the 2.0L, it clocks in at 14.0 per MT) while being almost $10K more. The point here is that for $10K more, it should do better than that. You are paying more for less and all with pleather seats lol.

Also a fair point but wasn't that the "old" 2.0T? I'd assume the new 2.0T will be a little slower being down ~30hp/20tq. Either way, neither is "pathetic" for a base engine. 

Yeah, I'm definitely not saying the price difference is worth it...just stating that their 2.0T isn't "pathetic". 

FWIW, my Mercedes was the only vehicle I've had things break on me that wasn't a typical wear item. 

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3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Those are weird edge cases, though...most drivers didn't rack up those kind of miles on cars of that era...

And most merceds drivers don't rack up 300K+ either.
Point was, any car, most any vintage (well maintained) can do it.  It's not a selling point of one brand over another.
 

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Surprised, but in a good way.

Also think the base model should be offered with a quickie sport package to give it pop for cheap.....

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Whichever way someone wants to look at this, that's still a good entry level price for a Cadillac in 2020 ... that isn't a Cimarron.

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On 10/10/2019 at 9:53 AM, ccap41 said:

Worded that a little biased.. that 2.7 is also a 4-cylinder and the Benz 2.0 isn't pathetic at 255hp/273tq and we all know the Germans underrate their outputs. Anything running a 14.1 1/4(per C/D) isn't considered pathetic... 

I drove the A-Class yesterday... I would call the power "sufficient", not not for the price they're asking. 

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I drove the A-Class yesterday... I would call the power "sufficient", not not for the price they're asking. 

I think they should have the 220 hp version in there.  I have drive. The previous CLA250 and GLA, I think those are 208 hp, they are fine for daily driving, but nothing fast.  I imagine the 188 hp in the A seems like it needs another 20-30 hp.  And that is all tuning so I don’t see why not change it.
 

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3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I think they should have the 220 hp version in there.  I have drive. The previous CLA250 and GLA, I think those are 208 hp, they are fine for daily driving, but nothing fast.  I imagine the 188 hp in the A seems like it needs another 20-30 hp.  And that is all tuning so I don’t see why not change it.
 

It will feel under powered next to the CT4. 

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8 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It will feel under powered next to the CT4. 

Probably so with the A-class that is why it should have the 221 hp version of that engine, the CLA250 has the same torque rating at the CT4.  There are A35 and A45 versions but I'd like to see how those get priced.

I don't think the A-class needs a ton of power because they are appealing to people that never owned a Mercedes and are coming from a some sort of front drive 4 cylinder car.  But 188 hp is weak, should have been the 221.

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On 10/9/2019 at 2:33 PM, smk4565 said:

This should be priced below an A-class if they want them to sell.  Can’t compare this to a C-class as the C is a way better car, plus the CT5 is the C-class competitor.

Plus this is Cadillac, they can’t get German pricing.   Now I didn’t read the whole standard equipment list, if this car is really well equipped on the base model then the price is okay.  But this is basically Tesla Model 3 money without Tesla brand image.

 

 

The new CT4 and CT5 haven't even officially come out, yet you're already saying the C Class is a better car, how can you possibly know that? You really should sit in or drive a new Cadillac before you say that, you just might be surprised. 

"Plus this is Cadillac, they can't get German pricing" Escalade Premium Luxury and Platinum, CTS-V and CT6-V are close, but don't have to get the German price premium to be as good or better even though MB doesn't even have an Escalade equivalent. CT5-V Blackwing and CT6-V Blackwing also don't have to get the German price premium to have better performance and build quality. GM isn't messing around, current Cadillac's and the C8 Corvette build quality and performance prove that.

 

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11 hours ago, USA-1 said:

The new CT4 and CT5 haven't even officially come out, yet you're already saying the C Class is a better car, how can you possibly know that? You really should sit in or drive a new Cadillac before you say that, you just might be surprised. 

"Plus this is Cadillac, they can't get German pricing" Escalade Premium Luxury and Platinum, CTS-V and CT6-V are close, but don't have to get the German price premium to be as good or better even though MB doesn't even have an Escalade equivalent. CT5-V Blackwing and CT6-V Blackwing also don't have to get the German price premium to have better performance and build quality. GM isn't messing around, current Cadillac's and the C8 Corvette build quality and performance prove that.

 

I have a pretty good feeling the C-class is going to be better than CT4 or CT5 based on Cadillac not having build a sedan better than the Germans in the past 40 years. I'm not sure they all of a sudden found the secret sauce to build a world beater.  

They are killing the CTS and probably the CT6, unless they import CT6's from China next year, and the CT5 is priced below a C-class because Cadillac knew they had to cut prices.  Which I think is the best strategy for them.  Cadillac should be targeting Acura, Infiniti, Genesis, Lincoln, etc, not the Germans.  

  An Escalade Platinum with options is about $101k, and that is their most expensive product.  A Mercedes GLC 63 Coupe costs that, Porsche has cars that cost 3 times that.  Even at GM, the most expensive car is at Chevrolet, it isn't even a Cadillac.  

 

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22 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I have a pretty good feeling the C-class is going to be better than CT4 or CT5 based on Cadillac not having build a sedan better than the Germans in the past 40 years. I'm not sure they all of a sudden found the secret sauce to build a world beater.  

They are killing the CTS and probably the CT6, unless they import CT6's from China next year, and the CT5 is priced below a C-class because Cadillac knew they had to cut prices.  Which I think is the best strategy for them.  Cadillac should be targeting Acura, Infiniti, Genesis, Lincoln, etc, not the Germans.  

  An Escalade Platinum with options is about $101k, and that is their most expensive product.  A Mercedes GLC 63 Coupe costs that, Porsche has cars that cost 3 times that.  Even at GM, the most expensive car is at Chevrolet, it isn't even a Cadillac.  

 

"I have a pretty good feeling" is definitely your biased opinion, so your statement is pointless. CTS-V beat the M5 and E63 AMG multiple times on the track both with handling and quickness for less money and in many ways better build quality, so to say Cadillac hasn't built a better sedan is again your biased opinion. Performance per dollar Cadillac smokes the German's and they know it. My family has had BMW 5 Series cars in the past and now have Cadillac's so I'm speaking from experience on both sides. Is that something you can say?    

They are replacing the CTS with the CT5 and the ATS with the CT4 both new platforms that coincide with their alpha numeric system so nothing is being killed just improved upon.

The CT6 is not going away just because GM discontinued the older XTS that was built in the same factory as the CT6. CT6 is here to stay and will be built in another factory, yes I know this because I know people that work for Cadillac. Since Acura and Lincoln cars are FWD or FWD based AWD (yes even the Continental) and Cadillac is RWD or RWD based AWD like your darling MB, then no you are wrong again. Infiniti is nearly extinct and way behind Cadillac and Genesis is still trying to figure out who they are and are not on the same level as Cadillac, Genesis even knows that. Cadillac and even MB have had over a century on the road, yes, Cadillac lost their way under the old guard bean counters at GM in the late 80's and 90's, but the past 15 years prove that they're building world class luxury cars and SUV's to compete on the world stage and there's definitely more in the pipeline, luxury EV's etc...

FYI, an Escalade Platinum is $106k and a loaded 2020 CT6-V Blackwing coming out early next year is right at $108k, all real time information just received by my Cadillac connection. So that shows that your smaller less performance oriented MB GLC Coupe is way overpriced like many MB's. Yes, GM as a whole can produce many more models that cover most all areas of the automobile from pickup trucks to budget cars to high-end luxury models and Cadillac will be here well into the future to continue to challenge BMW's and MB's and once again beat them on the track, have better reliability and performance per dollar.  

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1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

"I have a pretty good feeling" is definitely your biased opinion, so your statement is pointless. CTS-V beat the M5 and E63 AMG multiple times on the track both with handling and quickness for less money and in many ways better build quality, so to say Cadillac hasn't built a better sedan is again your biased opinion. Performance per dollar Cadillac smokes the German's and they know it. My family has had BMW 5 Series cars in the past and now have Cadillac's so I'm speaking from experience on both sides. Is that something you can say?    

They are replacing the CTS with the CT5 and the ATS with the CT4 both new platforms that coincide with their alpha numeric system so nothing is being killed just improved upon.

The CT6 is not going away just because GM discontinued the older XTS that was built in the same factory as the CT6. CT6 is here to stay and will be built in another factory, yes I know this because I know people that work for Cadillac. Since Acura and Lincoln cars are FWD or FWD based AWD (yes even the Continental) and Cadillac is RWD or RWD based AWD like your darling MB, then no you are wrong again. Infiniti is nearly extinct and way behind Cadillac and Genesis is still trying to figure out who they are and are not on the same level as Cadillac, Genesis even knows that. Cadillac and even MB have had over a century on the road, yes, Cadillac lost their way under the old guard bean counters at GM in the late 80's and 90's, but the past 15 years prove that they're building world class luxury cars and SUV's to compete on the world stage and there's definitely more in the pipeline, luxury EV's etc...

FYI, an Escalade Platinum is $106k and a loaded 2020 CT6-V Blackwing coming out early next year is right at $108k, all real time information just received by my Cadillac connection. So that shows that your smaller less performance oriented MB GLC Coupe is way overpriced like many MB's. Yes, GM as a whole can produce many more models that cover most all areas of the automobile from pickup trucks to budget cars to high-end luxury models and Cadillac will be here well into the future to continue to challenge BMW's and MB's and once again beat them on the track, have better reliability and performance per dollar.  

CTS-V is slower than an M5 or E63 in a straight line, CTS-V also isn’t around anymore and the E63 and M5 still are.  Also the E63 wagon has the Nürburgring record for wagons, the AMG GT 4-door has the Nürburgring record for 4-door cars. 
 

With no insider information I think GM will find a way to keep CT6 around, but you never know what the bean counters will decide.  $100k is a lot for a Cadillac but almost all the euro luxury brands have $200k products.  Cadillac isn’t in tier 1 until they get up there.  And I also think Cadillac should focus on tier 2 and try to dominate it and not go after tier 1.  
 

Cadillac had better market share 15-20 years ago than they do today, chasing the Germans didn’t work, which is why you see their top 3 sellers as FWD crossovers to go after Acura and Lexus now.

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In a straight line? Seriously? It's .4 sec. difference and CTS-V smokes them on the track with the badass GM Alpha 2 chassis and it's still available on the Cadillac website to order and purchase, ATS is gone on the site. the CT5-V Blackwing and CT6-V Blackwing are picking up where ATS-V and CTS-V left off. I'm talking about mid size sedans and so were you until you just now brought up wagons and we don't care about wagons in this country, they don't sell well with any manf.

I just stated above that the CT6 is for sure staying per word I got from a GM/Cadillac insider. The $100k Cadillac's are worth all that and some and it's a bargain when it's staying with or besting the $200k euro cars. S Class is way overpriced being over $200k now, not saying it's not pretty nice inside, just not $200k nice all around.

There was a lot less competition 20 years ago in this country. There was no Tesla, Cadillac and Mercedes as well as other luxury makes have lost sales to them, Volvo was nearly extinct and has made huge strides in the last 5-10 years, there was no Genesis formerly Hyundai Genesis (again trying to figure out who they are) even though they aren't on the same level with their horrendous chassis they do sell as a luxury make and Mercedes didn't have 900 different models to get buried in (being sarcastic, but seriously way too many). FWD/AWD luxury crossovers sell well here, the XT4 and XT5 have been selling really well XT4 is 4th overall right now hanging with the Audi Q5, Lexus NX and Volvo XC60 out of 19 other makes/models in small luxury SUV sales , XT6 which is just launching will sell well too and the new 2021 Escalade is going to be amazing. Don't forget the GLA based off the CLA is a FWD/AWD crossover so it too would be going after XT4, Q5 and NX. 

 

 

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