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Here is the Oct 29th release of the best selling models in Europe.

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2019-q1-q3-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-and-brands/

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Compared to FCA European sales numbers

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I am honestly surprised that Fiat sells that many sub compact auto's but I guess they are cheap in Europe where it is more acceptable than here in the US where no one wants them.

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Just now, dfelt said:

Here is the Oct 29th release of the best selling models in Europe.

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2019-q1-q3-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-and-brands/

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Compared to FCA European sales numbers

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I am honestly surprised that Fiat sells that many sub compact auto's but I guess they are cheap in Europe where it is more acceptable than here in the US where no one wants them.

And they sell a lot in S. America also.   Remember, the US market is very different from the rest of the world. 

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Keep in mind that none of Peugeot's, Citroen's, and Opel's current models, except for the Regal, are legal for sale in the US. They can't just rebadge them and sell them here. They don't meet US regs.  PSA will have a bunch of work to do on their next refreshes to get them legal enough to rebadge for the states.  I would expect that FCA's current plans for the next 2 - 3 years will remain completely unchanged with the possible exception that Fiat brand possibly exits North America.

That means, the next Charger would still be on Guilia platform. 

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7 hours ago, dfelt said:

I disagree with the thinking that it would be a disaster.

Take the quarter million unit selling Pugoet 208 and you have an AWD standard, Sport and RT model and then evetually you add in the Hellcat. Nothing say's FCA/PSA could not do a Hellcat TTV6 version with the RT being a hipo TT4 banger.

 

I dont really have an opinion on a PSA/FCA merger (other than almost nobody in North America gives a shyte for French cars...therefore a return for any French brand in North America is gonna be a flop)

(EDIT:  I take that back...PSA has some nice, stylish CUVs that maybe they could seduce North Americans with...)  

And I do not really oppose a TTV6 AWD Challenger and Charger nor 4 cylinder turbos in those cars, but I do draw the line in calling a TTV6 a Hellcat. 

I mean...   707  -  717  -  797   (Demon not included)  horsepower figures on supercharged V8s  with  just about as much torque is the reason why a malevolent feline (with a red eye on one model) was given as its name.   TTV6s could be baaaad, I aint disputing that. Lookin' at you Buick with the GNX and that is with only 1 turbo, but as baaaad as that GNX was in relation to its era, a Hellcat and a Demon is just...downright....HELLISH.  Lord Vader is a  pu$$ie with his Buick as compared to the Prince of Darkness and his choice of Mopars. 

Therefore, I am down with AWD and twin turbo 6 cylinders for a next gen Challenger and Charger. I aint down with that power train be called Hellcat, because it simply...aint... 

Id settle for...Wraith.   The Challenger SRT Wraith. I dig that.  

With a nod to the car below.

Image result for Dodge Wraith"

 

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16 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I dont really have an opinion on a PSA/FCA merger (other than almost nobody in North America gives a shyte for French cars...therefore a return for any French brand in North America is gonna be a flop)

(EDIT:  I take that back...PSA has some nice, stylish CUVs that maybe they could seduce North Americans with...)  

And I do not really oppose a TTV6 AWD Challenger and Charger nor 4 cylinder turbos in those cars, but I do draw the line in calling a TTV6 a Hellcat. 

I mean...   707  -  717  -  797   (Demon not included)  horsepower figures on supercharged V8s  with  just about as much torque is the reason why a malevolent feline (with a red eye on one model) was given as its name.   TTV6s could be baaaad, I aint disputing that. Lookin' at you Buick with the GNX and that is with only 1 turbo, but as baaaad as that GNX was in relation to its era, a Hellcat and a Demon is just...downright....HELLISH.  Lord Vader is a  pu$$ie with his Buick as compared to the Prince of Darkness and his choice of Mopars. 

Therefore, I am down with AWD and twin turbo 6 cylinders for a next gen Challenger and Charger. I aint down with that power train be called Hellcat, because it simply...aint... 

Id settle for...Wraith.   The Challenger SRT Wraith. I dig that.  

With a nod to the car below.

Image result for Dodge Wraith"

 

I understand what you say, but the days are numbers on V8 and anything bigger, There are companies that now can take a Dodge Challanger or Charger V6 and with Twin Turbo make it 506hp at the wheels. Turbo's are rated to 450 hp each so combined you could easily make a 900HP TTV6.

https://prodigyperformance.com/products/dodge-challenger-twin-turbo-kit/

The days of a Hellcat will stay alive with this type of Technology. Just do not expect to have V8 Hellcat power with V6 MPG. 😛 

In regards to the French style of Auto's, I agree they suck, but I am not talking about taking the car as is, put a dodge or chrysler badge on it, but use the platform with American style for new auto's.

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7 hours ago, dfelt said:

I understand what you say, but the days are numbers on V8 and anything bigger, There are companies that now can take a Dodge Challanger or Charger V6 and with Twin Turbo make it 506hp at the wheels. Turbo's are rated to 450 hp each so combined you could easily make a 900HP TTV6.

https://prodigyperformance.com/products/dodge-challenger-twin-turbo-kit/

The days of a Hellcat will stay alive with this type of Technology. Just do not expect to have V8 Hellcat power with V6 MPG. 😛 

In regards to the French style of Auto's, I agree they suck, but I am not talking about taking the car as is, put a dodge or chrysler badge on it, but use the platform with American style for new auto's.

This type of technology?

The Hellcat already uses this tech. On a V8. With a Gi-normous supercharger.  The Hellephant 426 Hemi  crate engine makes 1000 plus horsepower. Reliable horsepower.  

But that is NOT the point. Horsepower is NOT what makes a Hellcat a Hellcat. Its not cylinder count either. 

What???!!!

Its BOTH combined.  Plus...

The whole muscle car image of adolescent names and logos and visceral acceleration and V8 sounds. 

The total package. 

Remember, we are talking about HELLCAT as a name.  There is nothing wrong about retiring the Hellcat name and leaving it to history and remembering it as a legend.

An AWD TTV6 should be something else on a Challenger.  Even if an AWD TTV6 Challenger (smaller and lighter and  newer platformed car)  could be quicker and faster than a Hellcat, I think it should be something else to carry the MOPAR lore. 

Remember, there was no other Hellcat (at least I dont think) in MOPAR history before this one. There was several Demons and Super Bees, but no Hellcats.   There is no need to carry that name going forward. MOPAR could just as easily create another legend with another awesome name and Id be fine with it.  

That is all Im sayin'    :D

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I have a weird sentiment on the Alfa Romeo Giulia.  Some days I like the car, other days I do not.

Side profile reminds me too much of a BMW, and I HATE on BMWs for the most part.

But the over all styling of the Giulia is more often sexy to me than not. And I do like the exhaust notes of that turbo 2.9. 

An inline turbo 6 on a future Giulia will bring it that much closer to mimic a BMW, which I strangely applaud and can get very excited about.   *hmmmmm*  Great idea indeed to have a TTI6 Giulia.  

Could I get excited about a possible TTI6 Challenger SRT ACR or  Challenger SRT "Wraith"  in the near future?  

I think I can, yes!!!

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I like the styling of the Guilia quite a bit, esp. the front with the offset license plate.  I like the interior styling.  Sounds like the quality and reliability isn't the greatest...but from what I've read, they a seriously fun car to drive.   Like a BMW 3 series before BMW lost it's focus...

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