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12 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

If people can swallow the price, there's no glaring downside to it. Heck, even in the Edge-sized price range this isn't really "out there" in pricing. 

They mortgaged the pony during hard times. All things are on the table for a business. 

Remember when everybody was like, "Corvette should split off and create its own brand and have a Corvette SUV"? 

Because I do. 

Yes I do remember which is why I brought it up. Not near as much disdain for that as what I’m seeing here but who’s keeping count though?

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2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

'Trolls on teh internets' have been a truism since olden days..they were there on CompuServe and Usenet newsgroups 30 years ago when I was but a skinny teenager with a Mustang (2 actually) and learning the computing game on computers that seem primitive compared to my phone today..

On automotive pages, it's the cool thing to do to hate on Mustangs, EVs, and SUVs so this is just fuel to the stereotypical member of an auto page. The same people that are complaining about the naming are the same ones who wouldn't consider it even if they made a whole new name for the vehicle.

2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Yes I do remember which is why I brought it up. Not near as much disdain for that as what I’m seeing here but who’s keeping count though?

Three of the most internet auto enthusiast triggering words were all put into one product, Mustang + EV + SUV. 

People can't help but hate on it. 

5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I wonder if we will see a Lincoln version announced soon...different styling, more luxury, more $$$.   EViator

There has to be something else on this new platform.

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4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

On automotive pages, it's the cool thing to do to hate on Mustangs, EVs, and SUVs so this is just fuel to the stereotypical member of an auto page. The same people that are complaining about the naming are the same ones who wouldn't consider it even if they made a whole new name for the vehicle.

Three of the most internet auto enthusiast triggering words were all put into one product, Mustang + EV + SUV. 

People can't help but hate on it. 

 

Yeah, I remember back in the mid-oughts the bloviating defecators online were whining about the 4dr Charger when it came out...same kind of thing.  F' em...

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5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

@dfelt do you think this could be a Rivian skateboard or Ford's? 

This is truly Ford, that they have made very clear as the Rivian is full size truck / suv. I would honestly expect this to be a smaller version of what Rivian has done. It could be an updated platform based on the DNA of Rivian.

Interesting read: https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/7-ford-mustangs-that-are-worse-than-the-2021-mustang-mach-e/ss-BBWX9Ll?li=BBnb4R5#image=1

I have to say, I forgot about the station wagon and the FWD Mustang concepts.

Slide 8 of 8: Hands down, the worst Mustang to ever exist was this front-wheel drive design study. In the mid-1980s, Ford was well on its way in designing the first-ever front-wheel-drive Mustang, but fortunately enthusiasts caught wind and voiced their opinions. This was enough to keep the rear-drive Mustang around leaving the planned front-drive car to become the production Ford Probe.Related Articles...Ford Mocks Its Heritage With Mustang CrossoverRingbrothers Uses A 1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 To Create UNKL

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17 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Yeah, I remember back in the mid-oughts the bloviating defecators online were whining about the 4dr Charger when it came out...same kind of thing.  F' em...

I remember that too. 

Hell, its not even unique to the American automobile market.

There is a vocal shytefest with some Toyota fanbois too on the new Supra. These internet keyboard warriors say that its not a "real" Toyota because its a BMW chassis and a BMW inline 6 ignoring all the while that the new Supra is a very capable handler with a very capable inline 6 that could easily make 1000 HP without exploding.  The Mark IV Supra was not a good driver's car. It was a clumsy muscle car when it made 1000 horsepower. To which is an antithesis of what Japanese sports cars are supposed to be and the new Supra does what a new Supra is supposed to do...which is to be an antithesis of a muscle car.  

Weird phoquing hatred.

From Star Wars to the Supra to the Mach-E...

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I'm wondering if this is an all new EV-specific platform or a variant of the Explorer platform---unibody RWD/AWD, similar wheelbase, and it's been said the next Mustang would likely be based on the Explorer platform...

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8 minutes ago, dfelt said:

This is truly Ford, that they have made very clear as the Rivian is full size truck / suv. I would honestly expect this to be a smaller version of what Rivian has done. It could be an updated platform based on the DNA of Rivian.

Interesting read: https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/classic-cars/7-ford-mustangs-that-are-worse-than-the-2021-mustang-mach-e/ss-BBWX9Ll?li=BBnb4R5#image=1

I have to say, I forgot about the station wagon and the FWD Mustang concepts.

Slide 8 of 8: Hands down, the worst Mustang to ever exist was this front-wheel drive design study. In the mid-1980s, Ford was well on its way in designing the first-ever front-wheel-drive Mustang, but fortunately enthusiasts caught wind and voiced their opinions. This was enough to keep the rear-drive Mustang around leaving the planned front-drive car to become the production Ford Probe.Related Articles...Ford Mocks Its Heritage With Mustang CrossoverRingbrothers Uses A 1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 To Create UNKL

Oh yeah, I should have known it wouldn't be in something this size compared to what they made the skateboard for. 

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Ive read that its an all new skateboard platform from the ground up engineered to be an EV like a Tesla product.

Has Rivian played a part in this?

I doubt it as Ford just partnered up with  Rivian and this Mach-E seems to be an effort to be older than the partnership itself.

Just my guess though. Maybe Ford did accelerate this project with the help from Rivian. 

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16 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Has Rivian played a part in this?

I doubt it as Ford just partnered up with  Rivian and this Mach-E seems to be an effort to be older than the partnership itself.

I just wasn't sure because this Mach E isn't about to be on sale anytime soon so the underpinnings could have engineering yet to be completed. 

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

I wonder if we will see a Lincoln version announced soon...different styling, more luxury, more $$$.   EViator

Elevator?

1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

I'm wondering if this is an all new EV-specific platform or a variant of the Explorer platform---unibody RWD/AWD, similar wheelbase, and it's been said the next Mustang would likely be based on the Explorer platform...

It's not on the Explorer platform.

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6 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Elevator?

 

Cue Matthew McConahughey... 'The new Lincoln Elevator....luxury elevated.'

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Gotta love the pictures and Videos they have on the media site.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/multimedia/album/2020/mustang-mach-e.html

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/multimedia/album/2019/2019-la-auto-show.html

Reservations are made here on a refundable $500 deposit.

https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/2021/

Full Media kit and additional info is found here.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2019/11/17/all-electric-ford-mustang-mach-e.html

Gotta say, I am very excited for this to quote the media page.

Ford also will offer two special performance versions. The GT is targeting 0-60 mph in under 4 seconds2, making it faster off the line than a Porsche Macan Turbo3. The GT Performance Edition, meanwhile, is targeting a comparable 0-60 mph in the mid-3-second range to a Porsche 911 GTS.3 Both GT configurations are targeting an estimated 342 kW (459 horsepower) and 830 Nm (612 lb.-ft.) of torque.2

In addition to blistering acceleration, Mustang Mach-E will be available with Brembo’s all-new performance Flexira aluminum calipers, which maintain the functionality of a fixed caliper while being designed with the dimensions of a floating caliper. The GT Performance Edition is equipped with a MagneRide® damping system, adaptive suspension technology that lets drivers hug the road while delivering an exciting, comfortable ride.

:metal: EXCITEMENT :metal:

Performance gives new meaning to the word ‘electrifying’

Mustang Mach-E delivers three unique drive experiences – Whisper, Engage and Unbridled – each offering finely tuned driving dynamics packaged with a distinct sensory experience. Features include custom-designed vehicle responsiveness such as sportier steering controls, ambient lighting, sounds tuned for an authentic all-electric experience, and dynamic cluster animations that are tied to driving behavior.

When the vehicle launches, a new Mach-E 4 all-wheel drive system will be available that can apply torque independently to the front and rear axles to deliver impressive acceleration and improved handling over the rear-wheel drive model. Ford tuned this system to provide excellent traction on the road, rigorously testing the vehicle in wet and snowy terrain to help control for slippery conditions. Mach-E is the first production vehicle to be tuned by the Ford Performance team utilizing Ford’s racing simulator in North Carolina.

“Whether you want to really feel its performance capability or are looking for the quiet atmosphere that electric vehicles can offer, the Mach-E harnesses the power of electrification to create a unique driving experience while retaining that unmistakable Mustang feeling of freedom,” said Ted Cannis, Ford enterprise product line director, global electrification.

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Ford really needs to offer a Level 2 home charging station with this MACH-E-ATO. During the the reveal the Ford execs talked about an estimated 80% of charging being done at home and about offering a Ford "Mobile Charger", but it sounds like it's similar to the Chevy Volt style Level 1 110v 20amp wall plug unit, that would be DISASTROUS as it takes FOREVER to get any recharge range with a Level 1, I know first hand from a past EREV I had where I ended up installing a Level 2 unit with a dedicated circuit in my garage. Hopefully they do like Tesla does and Cadillac did with the ELR in offering a Level 2 240v 50amp wall mounted home charging station that they will even have professionally installed for the customer.

I've worked in the EVSE industry with Blink Network here in Phoenix so I also know first hand that the "Ford Public EVSE Network" infrastructure that they are working on will take longer to complete than they think and most people do not want to have to sit in a long line for 30 - 45 min. or longer to finally be next to charge their EV, so the Level 2 home charging station would be where it's at.

First Ford BEV? Well they had the Focus EV with a miserable 75-80 mi. range, real world was like 60 mi. when our engineers field tested it...it was an EPA compliance vehicle, but was still their first BEV "try".

When GM launches their new BEV skateboard platform (BEV3) line in 2022 or '23 starting as a Cadillac SUV they'll be making some pretty good progress in that regard. GM also has a much better view and/or background with the EV market in the U.S. and really worldwide than Ford, being that they've had the Volt (EREV) and Bolt (BEV) out since 2011 and 2016 respectively.

Also, like others have stated the Bolt is 2nd to 4th overall (depending on the publication) in a crowd of 40 total EV's available here in the U.S, not a bad showing at all. I'm not really a fan of the Bolt looks and it's too small if I was even in the market again even though the Bolt EUV will be larger, but Bolt does sell pretty well in the EV segment, you can't argue that. https://www.torquenews.com/1083/chevy-bolt-sales-comes-strong-september-making-it-number-one-affordable-ev-america

I would still probably go with a Tesla Model S, X or Y at this point though.

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2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

CEO Hackett is just preaching to whatever shareholders they still have. Shows FoMoCo's lack of experience the EV industry as well...we shall see.

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31 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

First Ford BEV? Well they had the Focus EV with a miserable 75-80 mi. range, real world was like 60 mi. when our engineers field tested it...it was an EPA compliance vehicle, but was still their first BEV "try".

Thanx for the correction.  I googled and it turns out that it sold in selective markets. I do not know if the Focus EV was sold in Quebec. I did not know this car existed.  Hence my misrepresentation...  I did not mean it and I certainly dont shill...

However...

If you are gonna correct me, please do not do it with trying to prove some sort of GM supremacy in mind...  

I do want correct information to come through, but not as a shill exercise for your favorite brand...

From the same post...

31 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

When GM launches their new BEV skateboard platform (BEV3) line in 2022 or '23 starting as a Cadillac SUV they'll be making some pretty good progress in that regard.

2022 or 2023?

Shyte dude...that is still 3/4 years away...

Cadillac's BEV in 2022/2023 BETTER be a thousand times more advanced than this Ford Mach-E and better be on par with Tesla's offerings in 2022/2023...

If it aint....it will only be as good as a Jaguar iPace which is NOT GOOD ENOUGH...

2022/2023...

This is the same stupid argument I endured over at Motor Trend Forums when Mustang/Camaro guys would troll each other:

"Of course this generation Camaro/Mustang  (you could replace the pony cars with Silverado and the F-150 and add the Ram) beat it this time around, the Mustang/Camaro that lost is on the old platform...wait until the next generation comes..."  

2022/2023

Shyte dude! 

And yes, the Bolt is a good seller for what it is and what sales EVs are to have that are NOT Tesla...

And yes, the Bolt is a good effort BEV, but it aint a Tesla both in terms of brand recognition and in terms of EV friendly as how you get with Tesla product EVs...

You could argue GM's build quality is eons ahead of Tesla's, but that argument could go either way, depending on who you talk to...  The C8 aint even out yet and GM haters are already calling it American junk...

So there is that...

Point being, dont shove a GM BEV argument when there isnt an equivalent GM BEV product around...

 

 

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33 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

I would still probably go with a Tesla Model S, X or Y at this point though.

Good product.  

But...why do I sense that you would NEVER give a Ford product a try?

I guess its better that shytting on Tesla too... 

I...am an American car guy. Whether its a GM product, a Ford product, a Chrysler product and now...finally, after a long time....a FORTH American car company, Tesla. 

I do skew in favour of General Motors, lately, Im not so hot on GM. I aint so hot on Ford either. 

I am a closet Mopar guy. I have come out, but I still feel uneasy about it in public for whatever reason.

I mean, I flaunt Hellcat colours all day everyday. I did not want Viper to go away. I cry at the state of Chrysler cars because quite frankly, there are ANY Chrysler cars...

 

 

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45 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Thanx for the correction.  I googled and it turns out that it sold in selective markets. I do not know if the Focus EV was sold in Quebec. I did not know this car existed.  Hence my misrepresentation...  I did not mean it and I certainly dont shill...

However...

If you are gonna correct me, please do not do it with trying to prove some sort of GM supremacy in mind...  

I do want correct information to come through, but not as a shill exercise for your favorite brand...

From the same post...

2022 or 2023?

Shyte dude...that is still 3/4 years away...

Cadillac's BEV in 2022/2023 BETTER be a thousand times more advanced than this Ford Mach-E and better be on par with Tesla's offerings in 2022/2023...

And yes, the Bolt is a good effort BEV, but it aint a Tesla both in terms of brand recognition and in terms of EV friendly as how you get with Tesla product EVs...

You could argue GM's build quality is eons ahead of Tesla's, but that argument could go either way, depending on who you talk to...  The C8 aint even out yet and GM haters are already calling it American junk...

Point being, dont shove a GM BEV argument when there isnt an equivalent GM BEV product around...

 

 

No reason to get defensive dude, I wasn't trying to correct you or show some sort of GM supremacy, that's a good one though!

I have experience in the BEV and EVSE industry so I was giving my take on it. Take a couple deep breaths I didn't say the Mach-E was a POS like many already have.

It's pretty much 2020 dude about 40 days away so 2022 MY vehicles are less than 2 years away normally releasing in late 3rd qtr. or early 4rd qtr. of the prior year.

It's a Cadillac luxury vehicle so either way it will be FAR better than a Ford. If it were a Lincoln like it probably should be then it may be closer.

There's always going to be haters of every brand especially large storied brands like GM and Ford and haters gonna hate. I'm not a Ford hater and hopefully for Ford's sake the Mach-E does well...they NEED IT to.

Here's some good 'ole 'Merican built footage for ya! 🇺🇸💪🏻😎😜

 

36 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Good product.  

But...why do I sense that you would NEVER give a Ford product a try?

I guess its better that shytting on Tesla too... 

I...am an American car guy. Whether its a GM product, a Ford product, a Chrysler product and now...finally, after a long time....a FORTH American car company, Tesla. 

I do skew in favour of General Motors, lately, Im not so hot on GM. I aint so hot on Ford either. 

I am a closet Mopar guy. I have come out, but I still feel uneasy about it in public for whatever reason.

I mean, I flaunt Hellcat colours all day everyday. I did not want Viper to go away. I cry at the state of Chrysler cars because quite frankly, there are ANY Chrysler cars...

 

 

Oh I've had Ford products along with GM and Chrysler products in business. I think you know which one I've had better luck with.

Oh  you and my "Mopar or Nocar" cousin would get along well! He's a Dodge nut!! :roflmao:

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I already saw it!!  3 times. Last night at midnight Eastern time being the first time!

Jay Leno's Garage! I just dont miss that many episodes. On CNBC or on youtube.  :D

But thanx for the peace offering.  Ill find you one sometime soon as well.   👍

 

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Just now, oldshurst442 said:

I already saw it!!  3 times. Last night at midnight Eastern time being the first time!

Jay Leno's Garage! I just dont miss that many episodes. On CNBC or on youtube.  :D

But thanx for the peace offering.  Ill find you one sometime soon as well.   👍

 

I don't miss many episodes either! Jay is a luck guy to have all the cars he does! I hear he's pretty cool and down to earth in real life. 👍🏻

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9 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

I don't miss many episodes either! Jay is a luck guy to have all the cars he does! I hear he's pretty cool and down to earth in real life. 👍🏻

As the years go by, I try to model my car enthusiasm as his. I try to like all cars, brands, makes, from all countries from all eras. 

Some comedians may not like him... and think the opposite of what you just said...The Tonight Show fiascos, but both times may not have been 100% his fault.   Anyway, this is a car forum, and as a car guy, he is tops in my book. 

BTW: I have always been a David Letterman guy going back to the mid 80s, and I prefer Conan over Jay as well, but as a comedian and a Late Night Talk Show host,  Jay is definitely in his element and just might have been the better candidate to replace Johnny...   

Nobody beats Johnny, but Jay was the right person for that job at that point in time...

Letterman was the better 12:35 guy. He lost his edge by NOT being edgy at the CBS 11:30 show because of that 11:30 crowd.

Conan is just silly. Funny. But silly. Smart. Probably the smartest comedian. He is better off doing his own thing on his own show. The Tonight Show was not his thing. Wrong crowd for him. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I try to like all cars, brands, makes, from all countries from all eras. 

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LOL

Listen.  American cars is what I love. From the 1900s to today.  But I'd like to try and learn about  cars from different countries and from their different eras too.  

Car craziness and car culture is strong in America, but it aint strictly an American thing. The automobile has defined America and its culture and we revolve our modern lives around it more than any other culture, but there is a car culture elsewhere other than North America. And if it wasnt for 2 devastating world wars in Europe where the automobile was starting to get a grip on life here as well as in Europe, the automobile in Europe would have had the same influence as in America. 

But like everything else in nature, the environment influences the surroundings and the same entity evolves differently and at a different pace as the next. 

I love to learn about different car cultures around the globe and how the car has influenced that society and how it evolved differently from ours.

And from all that,  I learned that car enthusiasts around the world are the same, but have a different take on the performance car than what we have. And from an enthusiast point of view, for which I am, I enjoy enthusiast cars.  And I want to appreciate that. 

I have learned that I actually do enjoy European racing cars of the 1920s and 1930s. 

Or the rivalry that Ferruccio had with Enzo that produced those slick Italian cars of the 1960s and 1970s from both companies. 

I enjoy the French quirkiness and I enjoy an Alpina race to which Renault paid a tribute to just a couple of years ago, kinda like what Ford did with the Ford GT in 2005.  I actually like that Renault/Alpina. Its a cool little sports car. 

The Japanese car culture thing is whack. Most of it just seems weird to me. But I definitely like the American influence on their sports cars (which also had a slight Euro touch to them too) which in turn begat a pure Japanese sports car scene. 

I get the question marks.  I do not like the shyteboxes that Europe has produced. But then again, I dont like the shyteboxes that Detroit has produced over the years also. But, I do prefer Detroit shyte over Europe's though.

And I feel like  what Jay Leno has over other car "influencers" is that he has a certain bias towards cars that I find interesting and I gravitate towards his influence over others.  

 

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5 hours ago, balthazar said:

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      The interior of the DBX, as expected, is a sumptuous place to spend your driving time. The cabin has been designed to accommodate the 99th percentile male and 5th percentile female provides class leading headroom and legroom. All of the seats are trimmed in full grain leather while the headliner and blind for the full panel sun room covered in Alcantara finish. Buyers can choose from wood, composite, and metal veneers to suit any taste. 
      A 10.25 inch screen sits flush in the center console while a 12.3 inch. Apple Car Play is standard as well as a 360-degree camera system and ambient lighting with 64 colors. 
      The starting MSRP for the DBX in the U.S. is $189,900 with deliveries expected to start in late spring 2020.
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Los Angeles - Chevrolet thinks that you don't want a Cruze anymore and instead you'll buy an SUV.  Enter Chevy's answer for that, the 2021 Chevrolet Trailblazer starts under $20,000 and for those taking notes, that's less than the current Chevrolet Trax even though the Trailblazer is the larger vehicle, fitting between the Trax and Equinox in size.
      Themed after the larger Blazer, the Trailblazer looks wider in person than its specs suggest.  Powertrains match the Buick Encore GX on which this shares a platform.  Powered by either a 1.2L turbo or 1.3L turbo 3-cylinder engine, the Trailblazer will deliver up to 155 horsepower. Both engines are mated with a standard Continuously Variable Transmission with selectable stop/start capability. A nine-speed automatic transmission is also available on Trailblazers equipped with the 1.3L engine and all-wheel drive. The AWD is selectable so that drivers can choose between traction or fuel economy as conditions dictate. 
      The Trailblazer features 40/60 split folding second row seats, which enables the vehicle to accommodate objects up to 8.5 feet long. Overall storage capacity is rated up to 54.4cubic feet10 with the second row folded.
      Trailblazer is equipped with a comprehensive list of safety technology:
      Forward Collision Alert Automatic Emergency Braking Front Pedestrian Braking IntelliBeam Headlamps (Auto High Beam Assist) Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning Rear Vision Camera Teen Driver Rear Seat Reminder3 OnStar4 Additional optional active safety and driver assistance features include:
      Adaptive Cruise Control - Camera Rear Park Assist Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alert Rear Cross Traffic Alert HD Rear Vision Camera Trailblazer ACTIV is equipped with unique tires and shock tuning. The ACTIV dampers are tuned to enhance vehicle performance and ride comfort when traveling on gravel roads.  The Hankook Sport Terrain 17-inch tires feature an aggressive shoulder design and an all-season tread pattern.
      The front fascia on Trailblazer ACTIV has been revised with the lower section designed for improved ground clearance. Additional exterior differentiation includes two-tone roof, standard roof rails and trapezoid-shaped exhaust tips.
      Trailblazer joins the Trax and Equinox in showrooms in Spring of 2020.
       

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