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15639_2021_Seltos (1).pngLos Angeles - Kia unveiled the 2021 Kia Seltos at the Los Angeles Auto Show today. The Seltos brings a new level of ruggedness and refinement to the entry level crossover segment.  The Seltos slots between the Kia Soul and Kia Sportage in the brand's lineup.  It has a longer wheelbase than is typical and a long hood to give it a sense of size though in a small package.  Front and rear skid plates and black wheel arches emphasize off-road capability, and the standard AWD on the base model makes that capability a reality. 

The Seltos is powered by either a 2.0-liter naturally aspirated engine producing 146 horsepower and 132 lb.-ft of torque or an up-level 1.6-liter Turbo that produces 175 horsepower and 195 lb.-ft of torque. Power is routed to the front or all wheels by a CVT on the 2.0 or a 7-speed DCT on the 1.6T. 

The body is composed of 61 percent advanced high-strength steel and further enhanced with 374 feet of structural adhesives to offer a stiff structure without increasing weight. 

Inside there is an available 10.25 inch touchscreen, Bose sound system, Apple Car Play and Android Auto, and multi-Bluetooth capability allowing for two phones to be connected to the infotainment system at the same time. 

Safety technology includes Kia's available "Kia Drive Wise" safety suite that includes things like blind spot monitoring, smart cruise control, lane keep assist, lane follow assist, forward collision avoidance, and driver attention warning.

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The base LX AWD will have a starting price below $22,000 and the FWD SX will have a similar starting price.   


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Better than the Buick Encore GX and at a better price.  But all these little crossovers are starting to look the same.

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Here we go again Kopycat Kia...a Range Rover Evoque knock off front end and Ford Escape back end with the top of taillights trailing up the side...front is so obvious even the way the Evoque has a higher hood that drops down onto the lower qtr. panels and grille.

What's with the huge black plastic blank below the headlights? Doesn't look functional and looks horrible! Headlight redesign at the last minute? LOL!

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Looks like a strong package for the segment.  A little weird in the front, but then... so is the Trailblazer.  I do like the non-chin dragging front bumper.  I had my Compass airdam itched up a little bit, and that was from entryway dips, not offroading.  Kind of reminds me of an old-skool Sportage from back in the day, which I think was a friendly little pup of a CUV.  Could have a decent AWD system too (inference because of its worldwide sales scope).  In concrusion, I think it will be a formidable competitor in the segment.  I'd really like to see a size/capability comparison between this, the Trailblazer and the Compass.  I understand the Seltos has about 7.2 inches ground clearance.

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Exactly how drunk are you @USA-1? There is little to no resemblance to the Escape. 

“Oooh, it wraps around the side like a dozen other CUVs are doing these days”  

 

Same applies to the Evoque reference. Yes there is a similar “sleekness” to the headlight design. Big deal. All makes are copying someone else these days, even GM (feel free to compare some Silverado lights with the F-150). At least the Kia will last longer than that POS Land Rover. 

 

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Better than the Buick Encore GX and at a better price

Curious how you can conclude this.  This will compete more with the Trailblazer than the Encore.  I do agree a 3-cylinder engine is strange in the Buick, and I have no doubt the Chevy will have the same powertrain options.  Sigh.  Everything is getting so weird.  The Kia Seltos retains more of a comfortable, traditional layout.  I would get the turbo, but I am a little leery of dual clutch transmissions... it feels odd in the Tucson.

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Seltos.  Makes me think of Mentos.  Probably related to the new baby Hyundai CUV whose name escapes me. 

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2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Seltos.  Makes me think of Mentos.  Probably related to the new baby Hyundai CUV whose name escapes me. 

This is bigger than the Venue.  The Venue is smaller than the Soul.  Seltos is a notch bigger than Soul.

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We all know you're hammered drunk on the daily so there's that. 

Totally copied the LR look in the front not just the "sleekness" of the headlights look at the hood and how it ties in only LR has that signature design on all their vehicles. Only difference in back is that the Kia looks like it got rear ended by a Hyundai. LOL

Kia and the LR both will prob. throw a rod about the same time Kia is not much if at all better than the Land Rover.

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

Exactly how drunk are you @USA-1?

“Oooh, it wraps around the side like a dozen other CUVs are doing these days” 

Same applies to the Evoque reference. Yes there is a similar “sleekness” to the headlight design. At least the Kia will last longer than that POS Land Rover.

 

We all know you're hammered drunk on the daily so there's that. 

Totally copied the LR look in the front not just the "sleekness" of the headlights look at the hood and how it ties in only LR has that signature design on all their vehicles. Only difference in back is that the Kia looks like it got rear ended by a Hyundai. LOL

Kia and the LR both will prob. throw a rod about the same time Kia is not much if at all better than the Land Rover.

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2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

This is bigger than the Venue.  The Venue is smaller than the Soul.  Seltos is a notch bigger than Soul.

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Now all the Kia crossover soup has me confused. 

Another direct hit on the market by Hyundai / Kia.  Interior looks decent.  Base motor has sh-t for torque. 

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7 hours ago, regfootball said:

Now all the Kia crossover soup has me confused. 

 

Just a lot going on in the subcompact/compact space.   Can be confusing without a chart.

Seems like it's Soul, Niro, Seltos, Sportage   (the last 3 are pretty close in size).

and over at Hyundai it's Venue, Kona, Tuscon.   

And yet nothing yet at Genesis.  

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11 hours ago, USA-1 said:

We all know you're hammered drunk on the daily so there's that. 

Totally copied the LR look in the front not just the "sleekness" of the headlights look at the hood and how it ties in only LR has that signature design on all their vehicles. Only difference in back is that the Kia looks like it got rear ended by a Hyundai. LOL

Kia and the LR both will prob. throw a rod about the same time Kia is not much if at all better than the Land Rover.

Whatever the GM fanboy has to tell himself. Land Rovers are overpriced junk and while Kia is “Lexus” like in quality, it is worlds better than the GM fanboy realizes. Hell, their initial quality has been rated higher than GM, on average, but who’s keeping count of actual facts when it’s easier for fanboys to ignore that and just make up random BS?
 

(Looks at the new “Trailblazer” profile that it shares with the Nissan Kicks and has a similar headlight swoop as the Evoque and wonders if said fanboy will criticize it to the same level that he has the Kia. We will sidestep naming the FWD CUV “Trailblazer” in the first place)

 

 

 

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The non-fanboy who hasn’t had a drink in years and was never a “drinker”. 

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Just a lot going on in the subcompact/compact space.   Can be confusing without a chart.

Seems like it's Soul, Niro, Seltos, Sportage   (the last 3 are pretty close in size).

and over at Hyundai it's Venue, Kona, Tuscon.   

And yet nothing yet at Genesis.  

In fairness, the Soul is the oddball here since it doesn’t offer AWD. Doesn’t really fit the CUV category in the traditional since IMO. Having said that, too many companies now are doing this with their CUV lineup. Barely and inch or so difference is size is just silly to me. 

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

Whatever the GM fanboy has to tell himself. Land Rovers are overpriced junk and while Kia is NOT “Lexus” like in quality, it is worlds better than the GM fanboy realizes. Hell, their initial quality has been rated higher than GM, on average, but who’s keeping count of actual facts when it’s easier for fanboys to ignore that and just make up random BS?
 

(Looks at the new “Trailblazer” profile that it shares with the Nissan Kicks and has a similar headlight swoop as the Evoque and wonders if said fanboy will criticize it to the same level that he has the Kia. We will sidestep naming the FWD CUV “Trailblazer” in the first place)

 

 

 

Sincerely,

The non-fanboy who hasn’t had a drink in years and was never a “drinker”. 

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Late edit: That should read “while is NOT “Lexus” like in quality.”

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3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Whatever the GM fanboy has to tell himself. Land Rovers are overpriced junk and while Kia is “Lexus” like in quality, it is worlds better than the GM fanboy realizes. Hell, their initial quality has been rated higher than GM, on average, but who’s keeping count of actual facts when it’s easier for fanboys to ignore that and just make up random BS?
 

(Looks at the new “Trailblazer” profile that it shares with the Nissan Kicks and has a similar headlight swoop as the Evoque and wonders if said fanboy will criticize it to the same level that he has the Kia. We will sidestep naming the FWD CUV “Trailblazer” in the first place)

 

 

 

Sincerely,

The non-fanboy who hasn’t had a drink in years and was never a “drinker”. 

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I give ya an up vote plus my chuckle. 

Guess some will love the mess of design language here for a Chevy Juke, aka Aztec round 2.0 :roflmao:

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5 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I give ya an up vote plus my chuckle. 

Guess some will love the mess of design language here for a Chevy Juke, aka Aztec round 2.0 :roflmao:

I do not get that profile on any of them. Looks blocky for the wrong reasons. Just makes the design seem confused. "Do I want to look like a small SUV or do I want my back end to look like an Aztek on meth? Decisions, decisions."

 

At least the Kia is not quite as sloped in the back but is my least favorite part of it. So many auto makes out there seem to consider the rear 1/4 of a car an afterthought. To each their own though. This will still be a solid seller for Kia and so will the Trailblazer (the inclusion of a POS 3 cylinder engine not withstanding).

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That new, little Trailblazer is hands-down the best looking sub-compact SUV, in my opinion. 

The pair of 3-cylinder engines is subject to questioning but I think they look really sharp for its respective segment. 

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3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Whatever the GM fanboy has to tell himself. Land Rovers are overpriced junk and while Kia is “Lexus” like in quality, it is worlds better than the GM fanboy realizes.

(Looks at the new “Trailblazer” profile that it shares with the Nissan Kicks and has a similar headlight swoop as the Evoque and wonders if said fanboy will criticize it to the same level that he has the Kia. We will sidestep naming the FWD CUV “Trailblazer” in the first place

 

Where on here did I ever say I like every freakin' car or CUV that GM comes out with?  I don't give a flying F about either of these two CUV's, shares a profile because it's in the same class that makes sense, not to you of course.

I don't like Land Rovers, they are poorly built, unreliable vehicles, I was comparing the looks that Hyundai/Kia clearly once again, took it upon themselves to "cash in the chips" and emulate.

Of course you would use a Lexus for comparison closeted Toyota fanboy just get it out there, it's clear to everyone on here stop denying it. Nice catch with NOT Lexus below, we'll just stick with this post because you are so observant in your ways...move along grumpy Nelly...

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When the Honda HRV arrived I thought it was pretty ugly.. Somehow now I like the looks of the upper trim levels.   Maybe because it looks more like a regular hatchback than an oddly shrunken compact CUV.  Not a fan of the looks of any many subcompact CUV's in general though.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

I give ya an up vote plus my chuckle. 

Guess some will love the mess of design language here for a Chevy Juke, aka Aztec round 2.0 :roflmao:

You know you love it and secretly want one! 😜

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3 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Where on here did I ever say I like every freakin' car or CUV that GM comes out with?  I don't give a flying F about either of these two CUV's, shares a profile because it's in the same class that makes sense, not to you of course.

I don't like Land Rovers, they are poorly built, unreliable vehicles, I was comparing the looks that Hyundai/Kia clearly once again, took it upon themselves to "cash in the chips" and emulate.

Of course you would use a Lexus for comparison closeted Toyota fanboy just get it out there, it's clear to everyone on here stop denying it. Nice catch with NOT Lexus below, we'll just stick with this post because you are so observant in your ways...move along grumpy Nelly...

The point here is that I have yet to see you levy the same level of "copy cat" criticism at GM, that you reserve for the Koreans. There is not one reason why they have to look alike just because they are the same class of vehicle either, based on your "logic". That is just asinine. The Camaro and Mustang are the same class of vehicle but look nothing alike so try again. The Equinox and Escape are the same class of CUV but look nothing alike. That is what you seem to missing here while resort to name calling and that ridiculous yet predictable defensive attitude. All makes copy each other (at some point) but you stick to very specific brands because well, who the F knows but they are right there for everyone to see.

And I'm not a fanboy of any brand genius so your deflection is just that, deflection. The Lexus reference was made because they are generally at the top of just about every reliability survey out there. Sorry the facts bother you so much that you have to resort to baseless attacks. Besides, you've made three different brand fan claims against me in the last three months (FCA, Ford, and now Toyota). Pick one and stick with it junior. You, on the other hand, are clear cut GM fanboy by every definition of the term. Deny it all you want but there are literally hundreds of pro-GM and GM defense posts by you that support this assertion. You cannot say the same thing about me and that is the big difference here. I guess since I'm on here defending the Seltos, you'll be calling me a Kia fanboy next. 

 

And the Land Rover reference was about the design which you brought up but you can't seem to keep your arguments straight so we will just leave that one alone before you blow a fanboy gasket. You can't even make the comparison to the Escape anymore but a picture is worth a thousand words and your words about it mean jack squat. 

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42 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

The point here is that I have yet to see you levy the same level of "copy cat" criticism at GM, that you reserve for the Koreans. There is not one reason why they have to look alike just because they are the same class of vehicle, based on your "logic". That is just asinine. The Camaro and Mustang are the same class of vehicles but look nothing alike so try again. The Equinox and Escape are the same class of CUV but look nothing alike. That is what you seem to missing here while resort to name calling and that ridiculous yet predictable defensive attitude. All makes copy each other (at some point) but you stick to very specific brands because well, who the F knows but they are right there for everyone to see.

And I'm not a fanboy of any brand genius so your deflection is just that, deflection. The Lexus reference was made because they are generally at the top of just about every reliability survey out there. Sorry the facts bother you so much that you have to resort to baseless attacks. Besides, you've made three different brand fan claims against me in the last three months (FCA, Ford, and now Toyota). Pick one and stick with it junior. You, on the other hand, are clear cut GM fanboy by every definition of the term. Deny it all you want but there are literally hundreds of pro-GM and GM defense posts by you that support this assertion. You cannot say the same thing about me and that is the big difference here. I guess since I'm on here defending the Seltos, you'll be calling me a Kia fanboy next. 

Defensive? No. But here we have another triggered diatribe from you.

You are so fixated on people on here who are apparent "fanboys" that you search out that you can't even concentrate on the subject at hand and that's the Koreans copying all other manf's, something others on here have agreed with like with the fugly new G90. So are they all GM fanboys or Acura fanboys or MB fanboys too because they mention something good about said brand and knock on another make that you like? Your logic just doesn't pencil out.

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      173.6
      174.2
      -0.6
      Width
      in
      72.2
      71.0
      +1.2
      Width incl. exterior mirrors
      in
      79.5
      79.6
      -0.1
      Height
      in
      63.4
      59.3
      +4.1
      Wheelbase
      in
      107.4
      106.3
      +1.1
      Track, front
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Track, rear
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Interior dimensions*
      Max. front headroom
      in
      40.8
      40.0
      +0.8
      Headroom, rear
      in
      38.1
      38.4
      -0.3
      Legroom, front
      in
      41.1
      41.9
      -0.8
      Legroom, rear
      in
      38.4
      33.9
      +4.5
      Elbow room, front
      in
      57.3
      56.0
      +1.3
      Elbow room, rear
      in
      57.3
      55.5
      +1.8
      Shoulder room, front
      in
      55.9
      54.8
      +1.1
      Shoulder room, rear
      in
      54.8
      53.1
      +1.7
      Load compartment width, max.
      in
      50.1
      46.7
      +3.4
      Load compartment depth, max.
      in
      56.0
      54.9
      +1.1
      Eff. width trunk opening
      in
      41.3
      41.1
      +0.2
      Trunk capacity (VDA)
      cu-ft
      15.4
      14.9
      +0.5

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    • By Drew Dowdell
      Mercedes-Benz went the unconventional route and debuted their new GLA SUV completely online this morning. The new GLA comes on a new platform and changes up the dimensions a bit to improve interior space.  Overall length is down 0.6 inches, but height has increased 4.1 inches, and wheelbase is up 1.1 inches while width is up 1.2 inches. This translates to some minor improvements in most, but not all, interior dimensions.  (Dimensions chart on Page 2)
      The GLA initially will come in three forms, the GLA 250, GLA 250 4Matic, and AMG GLA 35.  The 250 and 250 4matic some with the same powertrain, a 2.0-liter turbocharged 4-cylinder producing 221 horsepower at 5,500 RPM and 258 lb-ft of torque at 1,620 - 4,000 RPM.  Power is sent to the wheels via an 8-speed DCT.
      The AMG GLA 35 comes with a 2.0-liter 4-cylinder with 302 horsepower at 5,800 RPM and 295 lb-ft of torque at 3,000 - 4,000 RPM. And uses a modified version of the 8-speed DCT. Zero to 60 is estimated at 5.0 seconds.
      GLA 250 models equipped with 4Matic come with an Off-Road Engineering Package as standard.  It is an extra drive mode that adapts the characteristics of the 4Matic system and changes power delivery and ABS intervention.  The gauge cluster will present an animation of gradient, inclination angle, and technical settings to help the driver through the situation. 
      4Matic has been updated from being hydraulically activated to electro-mechanically activated.  In normal mode, the system splits torque 80:20 front:rear.  Sport mode changes that ratio to 70:30, while off-road mode moves it to 50:50. Being electro-mechanically operated allows the 4Matic system to be more efficient by not having to drive hydraulic pumps. 
      The GLA 250 is available with a host of driver assistance packages. They include:
      Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC with the functions: braking for stationary vehicles, extended automatic restarting in traffic jams in conjunction with Active Parking Assist and navigation, activation of "Gliding" in the ECO drive mode, Active Steering Assist with the functions: Active Emergency Braking Assist – with automatic unlocking and placement of an SOS call to the Mercedes-Benz emergency call center after the vehicle has come to a stop (depending on country) Active Lane Change Assist in conjunction with navigation, Emergency lane function: in freeway traffic jams at speeds below approx. 37 mph. Active Speed Limit Assist with reaction to changes in speed limits in conjunction with Traffic Sign Assist, Route-based speed adjustment when approaching bends, roundabouts, toll stations, T-junctions and before leaving highways – reduction of vehicle speed when encountering the end of a traffic jam, in conjunction with navigation, Evasive Steering Assist, Active Lane Keeping Assist, Active Blind Spot Assist, Active Brake Assist with cross-traffic function, PRE-SAFE PLUS: can detect a potential rear impact. If the danger of a collision persists, the system can also firmly apply the brakes of the stationary vehicle, minimizing the risk of whiplash injuries by reducing the forward jolt caused by an impact from the rear. The interior of the GLA is quite similar to the A-Class sedan. Mercedes MBUX is there and can be activated by voice simply by saying "Hey Mercedes". 
      AMG 35
      The GLA AMG 35 gets an AMG tuned suspension, including an optional ride control system that allows the driver to select between three different drive modes.  A high performance braking system with 13.8 inch disks up front and 13.0 inch disks in the rear is included. There is a speed-sensitive variable ratio steering that changes the amount of assistance offered at different speeds. The AMG also gets a special exhaust system with a gas flap to change the sound dynamics of the car depending on mode, engine speed, and engine load. 
      The exterior of the AMG GLA 35 gets a different front fascia from the regular GLA 250, fitting in with the rest of the AMG lineup. 
      The GLA 250 goes on sale Summer of 2020 with the AMG following after that.
       
       
      New GLA
      Predecessor
      Diff.
      Exterior dimensions
      Length
      in
      173.6
      174.2
      -0.6
      Width
      in
      72.2
      71.0
      +1.2
      Width incl. exterior mirrors
      in
      79.5
      79.6
      -0.1
      Height
      in
      63.4
      59.3
      +4.1
      Wheelbase
      in
      107.4
      106.3
      +1.1
      Track, front
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Track, rear
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Interior dimensions*
      Max. front headroom
      in
      40.8
      40.0
      +0.8
      Headroom, rear
      in
      38.1
      38.4
      -0.3
      Legroom, front
      in
      41.1
      41.9
      -0.8
      Legroom, rear
      in
      38.4
      33.9
      +4.5
      Elbow room, front
      in
      57.3
      56.0
      +1.3
      Elbow room, rear
      in
      57.3
      55.5
      +1.8
      Shoulder room, front
      in
      55.9
      54.8
      +1.1
      Shoulder room, rear
      in
      54.8
      53.1
      +1.7
      Load compartment width, max.
      in
      50.1
      46.7
      +3.4
      Load compartment depth, max.
      in
      56.0
      54.9
      +1.1
      Eff. width trunk opening
      in
      41.3
      41.1
      +0.2
      Trunk capacity (VDA)
      cu-ft
      15.4
      14.9
      +0.5
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Aston Martin has unveiled their DBX SUV in Beijing China.  This is the first SUV in the brand's 106-year history. It is being build at a new plant in Wales that is part of Aston Martin's second century rebirth plan. 
       The DBX uses a bonded aluminum construction method to help keep weight down. At 4,949 lbs., it's relatively light weight for a full-size V8 powered luxury SUV.  An adaptive triple chamber air springs allow the DBX to raise ride height by 45mm or lower by 50mm. This allows for versatility in terrain and handling, but also helps with getting into and out of the vehicle, or with vehicle loading.  The air ride system also allows for variable spring stiffness, combined with an electric anti-roll control system and adaptive dampers helps the DBX handle more like a sports car than an SUV.
      Powered by an new version of Aston Martin's 4-liter, twin-turbo V8, that is also found in the DB11 and Vantage, the 542 horsepower and 516 lb.-ft of torque V8 can propel the DBX from 0 to 62mph in 4.5 second and achieve a top speed of 181 mph. The engine feature cylinder deactivation to increase fuel economy. All-wheel drive is standard and the power gets to all 4 wheels through a 9-speed automatic. An active center differential plus electronic rear limited slip differential allows torque to be transferred front to rear and side to side on the rear axle. 
      The interior of the DBX, as expected, is a sumptuous place to spend your driving time. The cabin has been designed to accommodate the 99th percentile male and 5th percentile female provides class leading headroom and legroom. All of the seats are trimmed in full grain leather while the headliner and blind for the full panel sun room covered in Alcantara finish. Buyers can choose from wood, composite, and metal veneers to suit any taste. 
      A 10.25 inch screen sits flush in the center console while a 12.3 inch. Apple Car Play is standard as well as a 360-degree camera system and ambient lighting with 64 colors. 
      The starting MSRP for the DBX in the U.S. is $189,900 with deliveries expected to start in late spring 2020.

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