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Cadillac News: Cadillac CT6 DHam Production to End in January

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4 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

It's still a small V6 however you slice it. More moving parts to fail hauling that much weight around and the EB is still a fail. Have a buddy who is a mechanic for Ford, good for him, but not for Ford. Love live the small block V8 if only at GM and FCA/PSA. 😎

99% of the buyers probably won't care or notice if it's a V6 or V8, and as long at lasts 3 years for a lease that will be fine for most consumers....yes, enthusiasts might prefer a V8, but most of the market aren't enthusiasts...

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13 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The navigator's engine is perfectly fine. It has gobs of torque and it pulls hard. 

 

and I'm not one who particularly likes the Ecoboost engines. 

Still a small V6 any way you look at it. A fullsize luxury BOF SUV should have a proper V8. GM will thankfully continue that. Maybe they'll offer the new 5.5L flatplane crank Vette engine! Talk about torque :D

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1 minute ago, USA-1 said:

Still a small V6 any way you look at it. A fullsize luxury BOF SUV should have a proper V8. GM will thankfully continue that. Maybe they'll offer the new 5.5L flatplane crank Vette engine! Talk about torque :D

Unlikely. It will be the same 6.2 liter most likely

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52 minutes ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

I read about Holden this morning and now this. What is wrong with GM? They cannot get anything right, out on time , or be competitive. How did so a mighty storied company be cut down to what it is now? Killing those brands solved no problems. It exposed the many issues of GM. It left many countries globally too.  Buick is now an suv/crossover brand in the United States.  Cadillac after ten years is still not fixed. I guess the bigger issue is how do you fix all of GM?  What is wrong with GM? It is getting harder for enthusiasts to support GM. It is sad when you say "they make nothing for me".  Sad truth is... they do not.  I guess the enthusiast are not the the majority and we are the minority. Sad indeed....

Starts at the top. Too much old school top brass mostly still in place...that's the problem they're just a bunch of impatient old b@stards haha!

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9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Unlikely. It will be the same 6.2 liter most likely

I was kidding about the 5.5L flatplane, way too loud for luxury use.

6.2 is a great engine, but we should see some more juice and they now have the new 6.6L that could come in with more power for Escalade, output is held back big time in the HD's. 495hp out of the new 6.2L LT2 in NA form in C8 too.

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So I wonder what will happen to the Blackwing V8?  I thought the Chinese market CT6 was mostly 2.0 4s.   Will this engine just be another GM waste, or will it end up in a higher performance version of the C8? 

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12 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Still a small V6 any way you look at it. A fullsize luxury BOF SUV should have a proper V8. GM will thankfully continue that. Maybe they'll offer the new 5.5L flatplane crank Vette engine! Talk about torque :D

"Flat plane crank" and "torque" is an oxymoron. 

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25 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

And the Navigator has 500 ft/lbs of torque while the Escalade has 460.   Sounds like it's more than adequate.

40 more lb. ft.? 😂 For now...

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2 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

40 more lb. ft.? 😂 For now...

Well, they are in the same ballpark....adequate for the use case...these aren't F350 crew cab duallies. 

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1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

"Flat plane crank" and "torque" is an oxymoron. 

Comes with twin turbo's in C8 which is what I was mentioning to Drew. 5.5L FP coming in TT form for Z06. Your welcome. 

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I'll believe it when I see it with GM axing everything or making everything FWD-based...along with throwing away the 4.2 Blackwing. 

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3 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Comes with twin turbo's in C8 which is what I was mentioning to Drew. 5.5L FP coming in TT form for Z06. Your welcome. 

Nothing official about that yet, though?  Just a rumor at this point I thought...

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4 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Comes with twin turbo's in C8 which is what I was mentioning to Drew. 5.5L FP coming in TT form for Z06. Your welcome. 

The Blackwing would make more sense in the Escalade, and that's headed to the bin. 

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Mary Barra's GM.... cut your way to prosperity. 

 

That was Rick Wagoner’s GM also

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2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Nothing official about that yet, though?  Just a rumor at this point I thought...

https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-z06-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8/

2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The Blackwing would make more sense in the Escalade, and that's headed to the bin. 

It would probably be perfect and more efficient just too spendy to hand build. I'm going to drive the CT6-V here in a bit. I'll let ya know. Want some video? 💪🏻🇺🇸

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1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

Just read this on the Cadillac Society site. GM bean counters are just making more bad decisions canceling a model that they spent hundreds of millions of dollars on R&D and never really even marketed it, Volt is another car that comes to mind. They could have kept the XT6 on the CT6's Omega platform to help with costs and just build CT6 in limited quantities like MB does with the S and BMW does with the 7, they've never really been big volume cars in the fullsize luxury sedan class.

I'm going to go drive a CT6-V Blackwing that my go to Caddy dealer has. They had 6 sold 3, 2 black, 1 white left on this shipment.

Mercedes has sold over 500,000 of the current S-class world wide, so it isn’t such a small volume.

XT6 should have been an Omega platform crossover, I agree with you there and probably they could have made 2 crossovers on Omega to keep the platform viable.

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9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Mercedes has sold over 500,000 of the current S-class world wide, so it isn’t such a small volume.

XT6 should have been an Omega platform crossover, I agree with you there and probably they could have made 2 crossovers on Omega to keep the platform viable.

I'm talking yearly low volume sales. S Class has been around for decades so 500K is pretty low volume world wide.

This "new plan" is clearly why Johan D left GM so abruptly. Someone needs to clear out the old bean counters who have been screwing GM over from the top for decades.

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24 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

So I wonder what will happen to the Blackwing V8?  I thought the Chinese market CT6 was mostly 2.0 4s.   Will this engine just be another GM waste, or will it end up in a higher performance version of the C8? 

I think it is a waste because China has a displacement tax increase at 4.0 liters, so the tax would be more than the 3.99 liter German V8s.  And I don’t think there is any V8 demand there anyway.

And since Cadillac didn’t make rest drive crossovers like I have been saying they should do for years, there is no where to use this engine.

1 minute ago, USA-1 said:

I'm talking yearly low volume sales. S Class has been around for decades so 500K is pretty low volume world wide.

This "new plan" is clearly why Johan D left GM so abruptly. Someone needs to clear out the old bean counters who have been screwing GM over from the top for decades.

500k since 2014 model year.  The W222 chassis S-class passed 500k units last week. So we are talking about 80k a year which is pretty good at a $125k a unit.

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5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I think it is a waste because China has a displacement tax increase at 4.0 liters, so the tax would be more than the 3.99 liter German V8s.  And I don’t think there is any V8 demand there anyway.

And since Cadillac didn’t make rest drive crossovers like I have been saying they should do for years, there is no where to use this engine.

I was just chatting with my Caddy dealer buddy. They just had a meeting about it this morning. GM is considering the Blackwing in an Escalade-V. Lord please!!

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8 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I think it is a waste because China has a displacement tax increase at 4.0 liters, so the tax would be more than the 3.99 liter German V8s.  And I don’t think there is any V8 demand there anyway.

And since Cadillac didn’t make rest drive crossovers like I have been saying they should do for years, there is no where to use this engine.

500k since 2014 model year.  The W222 chassis S-class passed 500k units last week. So we are talking about 80k a year which is pretty good at a $125k a unit.

Interesting, but still pretty low considering. For instance, GM sells 30-35K Vettes a year compared to Camaro or Malibu numbers in the 100's of thousands.  

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I had read they won’t use the Blackwing in the Escalade and I forget the reason but I think they should use it.  Hell I’d make it the standard engine offer a 500 hp tune base and a 600 hp tune for V.

4 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Interesting, but still pretty low considering. For instance, GM sells 30-35K Vettes a year compared to Camaro or Malibu numbers in the 100's of thousands.  

And they probably make nearly zero profit on a Malibus and GM is going to lose money on every C8 under $80k.  The beancounters won’t let that go on long.

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38 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Interesting, but still pretty low considering. For instance, GM sells 30-35K Vettes a year compared to Camaro or Malibu numbers in the 100's of thousands.  

Camaro and Malibu are likely gone in a few years...

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80k units per year in a $100,000+ vehicle is anything but low volume. That's 2-4 times what the Corvette sells and I think we all agree the Vette sells very well for it's price. 

46 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I had read they won’t use the Blackwing in the Escalade and I forget the reason but I think they should use it.  Hell I’d make it the standard engine offer a 500 hp tune base and a 600 hp tune for V.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-cadillac-escalade-ct5-v-no-blackwing-v8/

Costs. 

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