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3 hours ago, USA-1 said:

It comes down to plant space and BEV3 is the big push now.  

Has nothing to do with plant space: D-H is huge and BEV production will only be a 1-line trickle.

Don’t forget: the CT6 was rumored to die once before.

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I bet CT6’s will be available for low prices on the used market, especially once production ends.

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20 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I bet CT6’s will be available for low prices on the used market, especially once production ends.

They can join the cheap ass priced S-Class cars which seem to sit and only move with huge incentives or into fleet sales.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

They can join the cheap ass priced S-Class cars which seem to sit and only move with huge incentives or into fleet sales.

They don't have any cash on the hoods, according to their website. They're all lease deals, FWIW. 

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7 hours ago, dfelt said:

RIP CT6, killed by GM's board room bean counters before your time really was up and not able to show what you could bring to the world globally.

RIP CT6

This truly keeps me in SUVs as the 4 & 5 are just too small.

This approach at GM is what could make my next auto purchase a non-gm product.

Like I said, Cadillac gave up on the luxury of size.

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

They don't have any cash on the hoods, according to their website. They're all lease deals, FWIW. 

MB has some sort of 'under the table' set-up where half the incentive is factory and the other half goes thru the dealer. At one point the factory was giving like 6K off, but the actual purchase price ended up being like 13K off (s-class).

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4 hours ago, balthazar said:

Has nothing to do with plant space: D-H is huge and BEV production will only be a 1-line trickle.

Don’t forget: the CT6 was rumored to die once before.

Oh I know D-HAM is huge, 4.1MM sq. ft. takes up real estate in two cities, hence the name.

It is interesting, because my Caddy dealer buddy said it isn't official from GM Corp. yet. They just had a meeting about it this morning. Let's hope they wake up in time!!

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17 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

You mean like this one? Was so freaking badass. Blackwing angry beast cold start. Just got back from driving it. No turbo lag at all pulls hard all the way to lets just say maybe triple digits swiftly haha. Paddle shifters are pretty sweet new 10 spd is butter smooth but quick, a lot of car for $100k. This dealer just got six in literally two weeks ago already sold three of them have eight more coming in at least two of those are pre-sold one is fully loaded Platinum with Super Cruise 2.0.

Wake up GM bean counters, people still want these cars if even just a limited build of the performance V Series line!

 

 

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In a world where everything is free, absolutely. Sat in a 3.6L a while back and loved the space it had and how everything was laid out. If not a Blackwing, a TT 3.0L AWD will do just fine. Maybe in a few years, they will come down to a price that might entice me.

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5 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

In a world where everything is free, absolutely. Sat in a 3.6L a while back and loved the space it had and how everything was laid out. If not a Blackwing, a TT 3.0L AWD will do just fine. Maybe in a few years, they will come down to a price that might entice me.

Yeah, the 3.0TT is very quick as well drove one back in 2016 when they first came out. CT6 as a whole drives like a much smaller car, but still feels commanding enough on the road, pretty amazing really.

Blackwing literally puts you back in the seat though, can definitely feel the G forces at work. Tom Good was the engine builder on this one, would tell him good work Mr. Good if I could. LOL!

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48 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Yeah, the 3.0TT is very quick as well drove one back in 2016 when they first came out. CT6 as a whole drives like a much smaller car, but still feels commanding enough on the road, pretty amazing really.

Blackwing literally puts you back in the seat though, can definitely feel the G forces at work. Tom Good was the engine builder on this one, would tell him good work Mr. Good if I could. LOL!

I agree about the ride. The chassis is button down tight and could see that as a daily driver for many years. And I can only imagine the pull on that Blackwing. Again, maybe one day lol. 

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Now This is sad news.  I would LOVE to buy a CT6 (perhaps with the Blackwing V8) but it seems nobody wants to buy arguably the best Cadillac sedan in decades. I wonder why.

As for Mary Barra and the bean counters, I wonder who will replace this small minded leadership and actually Make GM Truly Great Again, as opposed to being small and timid.  Am I the only one who noticed that few people are PROUD to own a GM vehicle these days?  And then these PROUD owners would happily recommend to anyone they knew to buy a GM vehicle instead of the competition?

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10 hours ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

I read about Holden this morning and now this. What is wrong with GM? They cannot get anything right, out on time , or be competitive. How did so a mighty storied company be cut down to what it is now? Killing those brands solved no problems. It exposed the many issues of GM. It left many countries globally too.  Buick is now an suv/crossover brand in the United States.  Cadillac after ten years is still not fixed. I guess the bigger issue is how do you fix all of GM?  What is wrong with GM? It is getting harder for enthusiasts to support GM. It is sad when you say "they make nothing for me".  Sad truth is... they do not.  I guess the enthusiast are not the the majority and we are the minority. Sad indeed....

Bottom line is the “old” GM died years ago...as is the “enthusiasts”. There are less and less car folk every year. We are a dying breed that finds driving more important than the entertainment. It’s not just GM, but we see it much more here. ....

Changing with the times is not going to be fun for us car folk...... 😞 

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25 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Now This is sad news.  I would LOVE to buy a CT6 (perhaps with the Blackwing V8) but it seems nobody wants to buy arguably the best Cadillac sedan in decades. I wonder why.

As for Mary Barra and the bean counters, I wonder who will replace this small minded leadership and actually Make GM Truly Great Again, as opposed to being small and timid.  Am I the only one who noticed that few people are PROUD to own a GM vehicle these days?  And then these PROUD owners would happily recommend to anyone they knew to buy a GM vehicle instead of the competition?

Oh there's still plenty of life at GM the new C8 Corvette would reveal such and this isn't officially official yet from GM Corp. per my Caddy dealer friend. CT6 has been rumored to die a few times just in the last 6 months even. They just had a meeting this morning about it with GM so lets hope and pray the bean counters at least keep the Blackwing alive for an Escalade-V. It's not that nobody want to buy the CT6 or CT6-V because they do sell, it's just GM bean counters trying to find ways to cut costs, but they're just going about it completely the wrong way.

And there are still plenty of us proud GM owners out there. I have owned other makes and models and always come back to GM. I've had really good times growing up with Chevrolet trucks and cars and Pontiac cars and in this decade with Cadillac buying my first in 2013 (a CTS-V Coupe) so it's fully ingrained in my being. 💪🏻🇺🇸   

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I believe the CT6 volume eclipses both the 7-series and the A8, handily.
So much for 'it doesn't sell well'..... unless those other two "sell abysmally poorly".

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2 hours ago, riviera74 said:

Now This is sad news.  I would LOVE to buy a CT6 (perhaps with the Blackwing V8) but it seems nobody wants to buy arguably the best Cadillac sedan in decades. I wonder why.

As for Mary Barra and the bean counters, I wonder who will replace this small minded leadership and actually Make GM Truly Great Again, as opposed to being small and timid.  Am I the only one who noticed that few people are PROUD to own a GM vehicle these days?  And then these PROUD owners would happily recommend to anyone they knew to buy a GM vehicle instead of the competition?

GM leadership wants to get them to a mobility company where basically they can build self driving pods and sell rides.   It is more profitable business model to be in that direct to consumer sales model, although they aren't selling cars, they are selling rides.  And if it is a self driving pod that gets someone from home to work or home to the store and lets them play on their phone or sleep the whole time, it doesn't matter what it looks like or what the performance is.

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23 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I believe the CT6 volume eclipses both the 7-series and the A8, handily.
So much for 'it doesn't sell well'..... unless those other two "sell abysmally poorly".

Audi has sold anywhere from 15,000 to 40,000 A8s per year world wide over the past 10 years, lets call it like 25k per year average.  Probably comparable with CT6 in USA and China combined numbers.

But the big difference is the A8 is build on the Volkswagen MLB chassis which is also used for:

A4, A5, A6, A7, Q5, Q7, Q8, E-Tron, Bentley Flying Spur, Bentley Continental, Bentley Bentayga, VW Toureg, Porsche Cayenne, Porsche Macan and Lamborghini Urus.  

So what do all those sell in volume?  Has to be over 1 million units a year worldwide.

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28 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

GM leadership wants to get them to a mobility company where basically they can build self driving pods and sell rides.   It is more profitable business model to be in that direct to consumer sales model, although they aren't selling cars, they are selling rides.  And if it is a self driving pod that gets someone from home to work or home to the store and lets them play on their phone or sleep the whole time, it doesn't matter what it looks like or what the performance is.

That's not at all what they're doing right now. GM knows most people still want the freedom of having their own car. And what would the HUGE GM dealer franchise owners do when most are forced to shut down when they're not needed while operating on that model? Thousands of major lawsuits would ensue.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

So what do all those sell in volume?  

People don’t know or care about platforms, and they don’t buy platforms; they buy completed vehicles.

CT6 -I believe- is handily outselling the audi & BMW in the USDM. You know; the market both you & I live in?

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So all this doomsday at Cadillac really get over it. GM is in the business to make money plain and simple.  The XT6 is beautiful in person.  Much better than any of the pics.  Lincoln's new Aviator won't sell anywhere near the XT6 amount and its actually kind of ugly like most Lincolns.  Nobody really cares about front or rear wheel drive in a SUV. Most probably just want AWD.  The new CT4 and CT5 are sharp looking in person.   Is GM doing stuff I scratch my head of course but at the same time they are making money. If the new Tahoe, Surburban, Yukon and Escalade are hits GM will be printing money with them.

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6 minutes ago, Guest said:

So all this doomsday at Cadillac really get over it. GM is in the business to make money plain and simple.  The XT6 is beautiful in person.  Much better than any of the pics.  Lincoln's new Aviator won't sell anywhere near the XT6 amount and its actually kind of ugly like most Lincolns.  Nobody really cares about front or rear wheel drive in a SUV. Most probably just want AWD.  The new CT4 and CT5 are sharp looking in person.   Is GM doing stuff I scratch my head of course but at the same time they are making money. If the new Tahoe, Surburban, Yukon and Escalade are hits GM will be printing money with them.

All companies are in the business to make money but what sets some of them apart is the non-stop bean counting yet still wasting money and R&D (see the money spent on developing the CT6). Furthermore, RWD or FWD, at least the Aviator has real engine options with power to boot. Lincoln has somehow done what Cadillac should have already been doing (and no I am not a fan of Lincoln or the Aviator). What’s the XT6 rocking bedsides being sat upon the wrong platform (again the bean counting by forgoing the Omega platform)? That 3.6L that’s in just about everything else GM makes? The point here is that you can make money and still act like you give a damn about the little things. GM has a mixed record with that, at best.

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

All companies are in the business to make money but what sets some of them apart is the non-stop bean counting yet still wasting money and R&D (see the money spent on developing the CT6). Furthermore, RWD or FWD, at least the Aviator has real engine options with power to boot. Lincoln has somehow done what Cadillac should have already been doing (and no I am not a fan of Lincoln or the Aviator). What’s the XT6 rocking bedsides being sat upon the wrong platform (again the bean counting by forgoing the Omega platform)? That 3.6L that’s in just about everything else GM makes? The point here is that you can make money and still act like you give a damn about the little things. GM has a mixed record with that, at best.

+1,000,000 well said, as a GM fan and a Heavy Cadillac buyer, recently they have nothing to really excite me and while the CT6 Blackwing is exciting, before I can even see one in person and try it out, they appear to be killing it.

You hit the nail on the head surreal1272 that all businesses are in the business to make money, some just pay attention to the little details that actually make more money than playing politics and kissing ass.

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12 hours ago, balthazar said:

People don’t know or care about platforms, and they don’t buy platforms; they buy completed vehicles.

CT6 -I believe- is handily outselling the audi & BMW in the USDM. You know; the market both you & I live in?

But the cost is higher on CT6.  GM could be losing money on every one they build because there is no economies of scale.   The A8 isn’t adding any major development cost when a dozen cars are on that platform and those engines and transmissions are all shared.  

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

But the cost is higher on CT6.  GM could be losing money on every one they build because there is no economies of scale.   The A8 isn’t adding any major development cost when a dozen cars are on that platform and those engines and transmissions are all shared.  

That may be true on the CT6, but GM could solve that problem with a new RWD Impala/Caprice STAT, along with an upgraded Camaro.

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5 hours ago, smk4565 said:

But the cost is higher on CT6.  GM could be losing money on every one they build because there is no economies of scale.

Or, they could be making $10 grand or even $25 grand on average per car.

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