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Pics of a new 2020 CT5

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My Thursday...in Long Island, saw 4 back to back, morning, afternoon and night freshly purchased, and rolling along. Oddly, in person, the shape is better than a current/latest CTS, but and looks considerably smaller.

Must be a decent lease rate on them, if I'm seeing real customer driven examples around Long Island, NY.

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I hope Cadillac does not go the way of German Luxury, 95% leases since no one can really afford them or maintain them.

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2 hours ago, dfelt said:

I hope Cadillac does not go the way of German Luxury, 95% leases since no one can really afford them or maintain them.

And Yet prices are such that all luxury marques will go the way of virtually all leased.  The good news: affordable pre-owned options in 24-36 months!

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Steering wheel leather wrap looks like a do-it-yourself Pep Boys job, it's all wavy and wrinkled at the right side.  Not befitting.  Car is not too bad looking in Sport guise.

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SO how did the radio sound on this one as opposed to the 2017 CT6-V with the Blackwing?

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I didn't try the CT6-V.....:(

 

i like blackout trim on cars but TBH i would prefer that they leave some chrome on the Sport......

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That looks like the trim and spec of one I sat in at the auto show (seems like so long ago now).  I didn't care for the dreary charcoal interior and vile CF trim.   A light tan interior w/ some wood would be way more appealing to me. 

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@Robert Hall  I think that any car that's worth its salt would offer a minimum of three interior colors - black, tan, and gray - and the contrasting pieces would not be black, but a darker shade of tan or gray if that's what the main seating color.  Any other colors are "gravy" and usually dictated by price point.  I think it's sad that the Malibu, for example, which now has to cover a lot of bases only offers black in LS, LT, and RS trims.  Ditto on your opinion about wood accents inside.

@regfootball  It's a mix of good and not so good.  I like the big arcs on the interior dash but not the infotainment screen.  It cancels out the sweeping arcs behind it on the cowl.  The console does not look as high as that of the outgoing LaCrosse.  Maybe the power seat can take a person closer up to the console height.

First and foremost, I do not like how the rear passenger window mouldings taper off into the C-pillar.  And, so close to that is a funky rear light assembly, further cluttered by a built in spoiler.  They look more Hyundai-grade.  It would be a "no go" for me.  The car looks better up front.  Why can't automakers design car envelopes that look balanced?

You mean it snows where you live?  J/K.

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The interior issue is a good portrait of the industry in general. Color choices inside & out are way down from decades ago, regardless of brand. Sad.

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I like the "galvanized" (bluish gray) with medium gray and black in my truck.  Generally a sad state of affairs all over when it comes to interior color availability on affordable vehicles.

LOVE Lincoln's current blue interiors.

We currently have a white Impala LT in the shop with very dark brown and black interior, interesting, haven't seen that option.

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On 2/23/2020 at 7:05 PM, riviera74 said:

SO how did the radio sound on this one as opposed to the 2017 CT6-V with the Blackwing?

but it sounded better than that CT6 tt.  I am guessing there was something wrong or badly set up on the Ct6 panaray i tested.  that used CT6 is still for sale, interestingly enough......

On 4/5/2020 at 8:56 AM, Robert Hall said:

That looks like the trim and spec of one I sat in at the auto show (seems like so long ago now).  I didn't care for the dreary charcoal interior and vile CF trim.   A light tan interior w/ some wood would be way more appealing to me. 

i didn't mind the black but do agree.  some of the CT5 trim options include a light color.

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9 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

@Robert Hall  I think that any car that's worth its salt would offer a minimum of three interior colors - black, tan, and gray - and the contrasting pieces would not be black, but a darker shade of tan or gray if that's what the main seating color.  Any other colors are "gravy" and usually dictated by price point.  I think it's sad that the Malibu, for example, which now has to cover a lot of bases only offers black in LS, LT, and RS trims.  Ditto on your opinion about wood accents inside.

@regfootball  It's a mix of good and not so good.  I like the big arcs on the interior dash but not the infotainment screen.  It cancels out the sweeping arcs behind it on the cowl.  The console does not look as high as that of the outgoing LaCrosse.  Maybe the power seat can take a person closer up to the console height.

First and foremost, I do not like how the rear passenger window mouldings taper off into the C-pillar.  And, so close to that is a funky rear light assembly, further cluttered by a built in spoiler.  They look more Hyundai-grade.  It would be a "no go" for me.  The car looks better up front.  Why can't automakers design car envelopes that look balanced?

You mean it snows where you live?  J/K.

this Cadillac platform has always been ergonomically challenged.  Low firewall, cramped with a big driveshaft tunnel.....badly shaped floor.  Hip point way too low.  You really have to twist, contort, and wrench yourself into the seat and God forbid if you are a chunky midwesterner over the crest of 50 and not some lithe millenial with lots of flexibility from yoga.

The platform is shared also with Camaro so they did not design the cars on this platform for older large person comfort which IMHO is partly why Cadillac sales flounder.  

In contrast, when i went to the auto show back in early March before it got shut down they had the CT4 and CT5 there and there was a lot of interested folks checking them out....particularly youngsters.  Maybe Cadillac IS on to something here.  Those youngsters actually like the cramped interior and low rider seat.

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3 minutes ago, regfootball said:

In contrast, when i went to the auto show back in early March before it got shut down they had the CT4 and CT5 there and there was a lot of interested folks checking them out....particularly youngsters.  Maybe Cadillac IS on to something here.  Those youngsters actually like the cramped interior and low rider seat.

In contrast to this part of your post, I was at the Montreal auto show in January...mind you I didnt spend all that much time at the show, nor at Cadillac's display...but at the little time I did spend getting in and out of the CT4-V and CT5-V,  there were virtually NOBODY, young or old, looking at these brand new offerings. Everybody, I mean everybody was at the Escalade. That would be this generation Escalade. Not the next gen that debuts in 2021. There was no mention of the new gen. Yeah...that's right, Montrealers young and old were salivating over the old, soon to be replaced 'Slade. 

A few boomers were checking out the XT6. 

I dont remember seeing the XT4. Not that I was looking out for it either.  Im sure it was there, but I didnt really care.

I was sad that literally nobody was checking out the new sedans.  V versions too...  But then again, it was only a small snippet of time as I spent no more than 5-7 minutes at Cadillac.  But I kid you not, folk were pushing each other to get into the 5 year old 'Slade.  

I was smitten with both V cars. More with the CT5.  I kinda wanted the Blackwing version CT5 to have the actual Blackwing V8 under the hood, because its a real deal Cadillac engine in a Cadillac car, but the next gen LT4 that will power the CT5 Blackwing may be a better engine choice overall.  Corvette powered anything turn out to be awesome machines. That would also include LS/LT engine swapped foreign badged cars as well!  

I do see your complaint about the  low firewall, cramped with a big driveshaft tunnel syndrome. At 5 foot 6and a half inches tall that I am, I too am not comfortable with it, although not as much as you as I am...well...short. 

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5 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

In contrast to this part of your post, I was at the Montreal auto show in January...mind you I didnt spend all that much time at the show, nor at Cadillac's display...but at the little time I did spend getting in and out of the CT4-V and CT5-V,  there were virtually NOBODY, young or old, looking at these brand new offerings. Everybody, I mean everybody was at the Escalade. That would be this generation Escalade. Not the next gen that debuts in 2021. There was no mention of the new gen. Yeah...that's right, Montrealers young and old were salivating over the old, soon to be replaced 'Slade. 

A few boomers were checking out the XT6. 

I dont remember seeing the XT4. Not that I was looking out for it either.  Im sure it was there, but I didnt really care.

I was sad that literally nobody was checking out the new sedans.  V versions too...  But then again, it was only a small snippet of time as I spent no more than 5-7 minutes at Cadillac.  But I kid you not, folk were pushing each other to get into the 5 year old 'Slade.  

I was smitten with both V cars. More with the CT5.  I kinda wanted the Blackwing version CT5 to have the actual Blackwing V8 under the hood, because its a real deal Cadillac engine in a Cadillac car, but the next gen LT4 that will power the CT5 Blackwing may be a better engine choice overall.  Corvette powered anything turn out to be awesome machines. That would also include LS/LT engine swapped foreign badged cars as well!  

I do see your complaint about the  low firewall, cramped with a big driveshaft tunnel syndrome. At 5 foot 6and a half inches tall that I am, I too am not comfortable with it, although not as much as you as I am...well...short. 

Yeah I am 6'1 and a waist and belly that is too large and even if i were thin again the ingress and egress and driving position in the car is something you'd want in a sports car, not a luxury brand sedan.  Its not befitting daily luxury transport.   People rip front drive platforms but remember back to the larger cab forward front drivers....... more comfort and room.  That said, the Ct6 is woefully comfy, but yeah, Cadillac decides to kill that car.  

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Sometimes Cadillac decisions make no sense. A brand new, V8 engine, that Cadillac engineers done, with specs that Europeans do to their turbo V8 cars, that seem to fancy European car aficionados that Cadillac desperately  want to attract, and 1 year and a half of offering said V8 engine, they kill it.  

I dont understand any of it. The ending of the CT6 (in North America) and the killing off the Blackwing V8 engine.  

They spent literally billions of dollars on the CT6 dating back to the bankruptcy and then some more billions (OK...maybe millions) on the new V8 but then they dont do anything with either.

I get that they want to spend more billions on electric vehicles for their future going forward, but it still doesnt make sense. 

Why?

They spent billions more on a no charge diesel option Escalade. That would be a new engine offering...    DIESEL???!!!

1. Is there a market for a diesel  engine in an Escalade?  A 6 cylinder engine at that?  

a) maybe GM/Cadillac did a marketing research analysis...

b) BUT I THOUGHT THAT CADILLAC WAS TO GO EV ALL THE WAY???!!!   DIESEL???!!!  On a supposedly luxury product???!!!  For North America???!!!      

2 .   VW and Mercedes have had their diesel scandals recently which made a lot of noise here and in Europe.  Cadillac had resisted diesel all these years/decades after their own diesel scandal of the 1980s...   Cadillac was ahead of their own bloody curve for their own bloody EV image a decade ago when they offered a light hybrid system in their Escalade and now they want to peddle diesel when they want to go all out EV going forward?

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10 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Sometimes Cadillac decisions make no sense. A brand new, V8 engine, that Cadillac engineers done, with specs that Europeans do to their turbo V8 cars, that seem to fancy European car aficionados that Cadillac desperately  want to attract, and 1 year and a half of offering said V8 engine, they kill it.  

I dont understand any of it. The ending of the CT6 (in North America) and the killing off the Blackwing V8 engine.  

They spent literally billions of dollars on the CT6 dating back to the bankruptcy and then some more billions (OK...maybe millions) on the new V8 but then they dont do anything with either.

I get that they want to spend more billions on electric vehicles for their future going forward, but it still doesnt make sense. 

Why?

They spent billions more on a no charge diesel option Escalade. That would be a new engine offering...    DIESEL???!!!

1. Is there a market for a diesel  engine in an Escalade?  A 6 cylinder engine at that?  

a) maybe GM/Cadillac did a marketing research analysis...

b) BUT I THOUGHT THAT CADILLAC WAS TO GO EV ALL THE WAY???!!!   DIESEL???!!!  On a supposedly luxury product???!!!  For North America???!!!      

2 .   VW and Mercedes have had their diesel scandals recently which made a lot of noise here and in Europe.  Cadillac had resisted diesel all these years/decades after their own diesel scandal of the 1980s...   Cadillac was ahead of their own bloody curve for their own bloody EV image a decade ago when they offered a light hybrid system in their Escalade and now they want to peddle diesel when they want to go all out EV going forward?

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Me neither.  Keep the Blackwing V8 and dump the diesel.  Diesel engines rarely sell here in the USA anyway.

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Cadillac didn't have a 'diesel scandal' circa '78-82.
What they had was a non-turbo diesel with extremely low output.

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14 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Cadillac didn't have a 'diesel scandal' circa '78-82.
What they had was a non-turbo diesel with extremely low output.

Well...this non scandal cost them slightly in the image department in that the engine had reliability problems and those that bought Cadillac cars with diesels in them left them with a sour taste in their mouths concerning Cadillac cars that actually Cadillac still suffers from that bad image...and hence diesel scandal from my end.  So...more of a fiasco rather than a scandal and I get that.  But two sides of the same coin nonetheless. 

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2 hours ago, regfootball said:

they did not design the cars on this platform for older large person comfort which IMHO is partly why Cadillac sales flounder.  

In contrast, when i went to the auto show back in early March before it got shut down they had the CT4 and CT5 there and there was a lot of interested folks checking them out....particularly youngsters.  Maybe Cadillac IS on to something here.  Those youngsters actually like the cramped interior and low rider seat.

The question is whether they can be all things to all people in the luxury car segment, and still pull in the younger segment that has helped the brand so much.  They can probably do it through varying the themes of different models within a particular model, just how the Charger goes from a base sedan with a V6 up to some souped up renditions with V8s putting out ungodly amounts of horsepower - like 707 HP.  

The last LaCrosse was not looking to pull in the younger market.  It was happy to keep the middle-aged and senior market.  It, too, had a low rider seat and high console that was not amicable to people of even medium height nor people who could still drive but had physical limitations.

Cadillac needs to take the pencil out and make some minor adjustments, get better market focus feedback, and have some of its designers be slapped upside the head.

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56 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Cadillac didn't have a 'diesel scandal' circa '78-82.
What they had was a non-turbo diesel with extremely low output.

They also had the V8-6-4 fiasco in '81. 

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Im sorry. I did not mean to go down a negative path with Cadillac.  We should celebrate these new Cadillacs. All these fiascos are in the past. The diesel route is just confusing to me...but in no way a fiasco.   

We have to celebrate you, Caddy!  We have to praise you like we should! 

 

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There's a render going around the interwebs of a CT5 wagon, along with a rumor of production.  Looks cool as heck.

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CT sedans suck, Cadillac has FAILED MISERABLY in regards to their product lines. The cars are not Cadillac but European wanna be crap!

XT series are piss poor badge jobs of Chevrolet CUVs. This is a pathetic reboot of the 80's/90's and honestly they clearly did not get any proper leadership yet to lead Cadillac in the right direction. They hire an Idiot European who attempts to remake Cadillac as a BMW/MB wanna be auto company and moves it's HQ to NY wasting millions if not Billions when they could have brought out a proper far better product line.

2020 Escalade while selling has even been fucked up by the new political ass kissing idiot they put in charge. Why do I say they fucked up the Escalade?

Simple, while there is much to love about it and I have first hand experience driving a brand new 2020 Escalade for a week from my dealership as they serviced my auto this is what I came away with:

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As I posted in the April auto thread, I had this ESV to drive for the week.

Pro's 

  • Lots of power, easy to get up over 100 before you know it.
  • Interior layout is very nice, love the Mocha / Black accent interior
  • Gobs of room to haul stuff. Used this to pick up supplies for all the senior parents and deliver them during this quarantine period.
  • Style is spot on for this Escalade.
  • Hidden external steps, gotta love having it pop out and then retrack in. Keeps a very nice clean side look.
  • Presence, you could not have more. The king is here and others get out of the way as you drive it down the highway.
  • Nav / radio system worked flawlessly and love the wireless charging phone pad
  • HUD, this is a must have on any luxury auto, I love the HUD.
  • Yes many other things to like about this Escalade

And yet there are some glaring issues:

Con's

  • 2020 and no Android or Apple phone play, Yes we get it in the 2021 version but come on, this is 2020 and the tech has been out for years.
  • Seats, while nice leather, they are flat, not supportive and on a 300 mile road trip I did in this one, it made my bum num. My 2006 has far superior seats. It is Cadillac and should be supportive, comfy seats that you do not get num or fatigued while riding in.
  • Steering wheel, They totally went backwards and Cheap here. My 2006 has wood and the proper knobs on the back side that fits your fingers ensuring maximum grip while minimizing tension on road trips, this was a poorly stitched leather slick steering wheel. Something you would also find on a Chevrolet. Sad.
  • Last and the biggest complaint of mine, NO MAGNA RIDE! Yup, This is a luxury brand that should be tight and yet absorb the road imperfections. I went off a curb to see how the new system was like and was shocked to have it plop down hard. Got out, looked underneath and confirmed when I returned it to the dealership, that the base Escalades DO NOT come with Magna Ride, it is an option. As such, this Escalade rides like a pickup truck when Empty.

We are talking Cadillac and Cadillac DOES NOT have to cover what Buick and Chevrolet already sell nor GMC. These should be the maximum ultimate Luxury rides.

Right now Cadillac is Failing us the customers with piss poor re-badges of Chevrolet products and if they do this with their EV line, they will truly fail.

Cadillac should be building LUXURY auto's which will NOT be for EVERYONE.

Take the CT current products and sell them at Chevrolet at a proper Chevrolet price and I bet they will move big time.

Then using names, bring back full size luxury sedans that can via a nob or switch go from Touring, sport and performance mode and yet are roomy and spacious inside.

Cadillac Cars and SUV/CUV should be a step apart from Buick, GMC and Chevrolet.

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3 hours ago, dfelt said:

CT sedans suck, Cadillac has FAILED MISERABLY in regards to their product lines. The cars are not Cadillac but European wanna be crap!

XT series are piss poor badge jobs of Chevrolet CUVs. This is a pathetic reboot of the 80's/90's and honestly they clearly did not get any proper leadership yet to lead Cadillac in the right direction. They hire an Idiot European who attempts to remake Cadillac as a BMW/MB wanna be auto company and moves it's HQ to NY wasting millions if not Billions when they could have brought out a proper far better product line.

IMO, you are incorrect in your assessment.
Look at the situation like a plotted graph. The German twins were miles apart from where Cadillac / Lincoln / Imperial were, but as you plot the lines, they converge. BMW/MB gained amenities, luxury, power and detailing where they had very little or none, and Cadillac adopted more 'international' sizing & styling. Cadillac has ALWAYS adapted to markets & times- look at all the different variations of their logo over the years.  It is NOT 'Cadillac building a copy of the Germans'; it is simply that the plotted lines have converged. That is; unless you are also of the opinion that BMW/MB are 'building copies of American luxury cars'... then I'm OK with your assessment. ;)

XT CUVs are quite obviously not rebadges- it's ridiculous to call them that. And they compete very well sales-wise in their segments, which are heavily populated. They're not for me, but obviously they're successful (not a 'fail').

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