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With low oil prices again, and we dont know how long the Saudis want to do this, and Ive heard the Saudis wanna keep it low for a good long while, Im willing to bet that EV sales are gonna be shyte in the short term. The only thing that will save EVs this time around is that countries are not gonna budge on the banning of ICE vehicles. Or at the very least, the countries wont lax on the emissions regulations.

I say, GM better keep the Camaro alive with its V8  because I might go crazy with this Covid-19 thing and maybe I spin into a mid-life/Covid-19 crisis and buy me-self a  ZL-1 Camaro, ship it to Trans Am Depot and they fix me up good. Like this one. Exactly like this one down below!!!

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EV sales will go nowhere because auto sales generally are going nowhere.  When gas exceeds $4 a gallon ($5 in CA/AK/HI), then EVs will probably really get some momentum.  Right now, BEVs are 1% of all sales if that high.

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15 hours ago, balthazar said:

^ OK, but WRT GM, what would you rather lose; $15/share, or $440/share?

If the buyer spent $10,000 on each, they lost the same amount(excluding the exact dollar amount). Nobody invests by buying a share quantity. They tell their broker how much to invest and they buy the closest whole share quantity to the dollar amount. 

13 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Gotcha!

One question.

You think that Cadillac or Lincoln arent capable because dont have the expertise or because they arent willing? 

Remember that Chrysler has merged with Fiat.  Maserati and Ferrari. So...do you think that Chrysler aint capable either or not willing?  

Are we gonna shyte on Ferrari for FCA if you think FCA aint capable?

I just wanna know where you really stand on the issue.  Its still a tad vague for me. 

Having no expertise versus not willing are two different things. What is your reasoning for your opinion?

 

Ferrari isn't a part of FCA, they're their own company. Lookup stock symbol RACE.

I'm just way more confident in Cadillac or Lincoln totally botching a 200k luxury car than I would be in Bentley. Yes, experience and past execution..and don't give me that 1930's Cadillac's adjusted for inflation prices crap because none of those people are still employed at GM. 

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On 3/24/2020 at 9:17 AM, ccap41 said:

Ferrari isn't a part of FCA, they're their own company. Lookup stock symbol RACE.

I'm just way more confident in Cadillac or Lincoln totally botching a 200k luxury car than I would be in Bentley. Yes, experience and past execution..and don't give me that 1930's Cadillac's adjusted for inflation prices crap because none of those people are still employed at GM. 

That Ferrari/FCA thing Ill tackle another day.  While its true that  Ferrari is no longer part of Fiat ownership...its a recent thing...but Its OK...what was bugging me more than that comment will also be addressed by what I got to say now.

Your comment that I have in bold always sat rough with me. I had a bad taste in my mouth reading it. But I wasnt sure how I was going to tackle it. And then...I got to read this comment you made in another thread. The Random Thoughts Thread

On 3/24/2020 at 11:18 AM, ccap41 said:

One reason I love these companies... When they're called upon they help deliver to their counties.

"On Tuesday, Ford detailed extraordinary measures it's undertaking as the automaker ramps up efforts to support health care workers on the frontlines. The Blue Oval said it's already started 3D-printing face shields -- a critical piece of personal protective gear -- for health care workers to help protect them from the virus as they treat patients. The first 1,000 shields already shipped out to local Michigan hospitals for use. By the end of this week, Ford says it will have 75,000 shields complete, and 100,000 shields will roll out of two Ford facilities weekly thereafter.

While work continues on face shields, Ford said it's teamed up with 3M and GE to support the design and manufacturing of respirator masks and life-saving ventilators. With 3M, Ford told its engineers to get scrappy and creative, and they delivered. "

More details in the link.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ford-coronavirus-face-shields-3m-respirators-ge-ventilators/

"The automaker said Friday evening it will collaborate with Ventec Life Systems to help scale up and build life-saving ventilators. GM itself won't be building the machines, but the automaker will lend its logistics, purchasing and manufacturing expertise to Ventec as it ramps up production."

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/general-motors-ventilators-ventec-coronavirus-spread/

"Italian-U.S. car giant Fiat Chrysler has confirmed plans to produce a million face masks a month and said it will distribute them to emergency services in North America to help the fight against coronavirus.

FCA, which is also trying to help produce badly needed respirators for patients in intensive care in Italy, is one of a number of large manufacturers adapting production lines to make products in desperately short supply."

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/24/fia-chrysler-face-masks-ventilators/

Your bolded comment in that one had me puzzled because in the linked quote you decided to use...PRAISES Ford's engineering prowess...

So your original comment:

On 3/24/2020 at 9:17 AM, ccap41 said:

I'm just way more confident in Cadillac or Lincoln totally botching a 200k luxury car than I would be in Bentley. Yes, experience and past execution..and don't give me that 1930's Cadillac's adjusted for inflation prices crap because none of those people are still employed at GM. 

Had me seething... literally!!!  :explode:

I just didnt know how I would rebuttle. I didnt have any way or knowledge to counter you with. 

Until now!  :gitfunky:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a31917145/ford-respirators-coronavirus-covid-19/

 

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How Ford Is Using Seat Ventilation Fans to Build Thousands of Respirators

An ingenious solution to provide needed aid to frontline emergency workers in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Ford announced today that it is partnering with 3M in order to manufacture powered air-purifying respirators (PAPRs) as part of its response to the COVID-19 pandemic. These respirators are often called positive-pressure masks as they take contaminated air, pull it through a filter, then push it to the sealed mask using an air blower.

Ford will assist by providing components from their parts bin to build the respirators. The design released by Ford (top) will use 

 

 

 You mean to tell me....that Ford could come up with an INGENIOUS way to engineer a ventilator mask using parts bin parts that could be used almost anywhere easily and it could mass produce it easily all on a short, VERY short time frame to come up with an idea like that, engineer it, engineer a way to mass produce it, build the production line for it and finally to get it all done...yet they CANT and dont know to get cows that roam free without fences so their hides could be perfect, they dont know how to make that hide super soft and stitch it with French stitches? 

They cant make it all fit and finish like a Bentley either?

Yet they could engineer ventilator masks on a whim though...

Now you know why I was seething with your comment. 

You are proud that American companies come up with awesome ways to help not only Americans, but the whole bloody planet in times of need, yet you shun them with the same intensity.

I asked you...

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You think that Cadillac or Lincoln arent capable because dont have the expertise or because they arent willing? 

BEAN COUNTING has been a problem...

THAT is what you see with American cars in the past. Especially during the malaise era.  American know how is second to none.  Dont confuse the two. 

American bottom line capitalism is what killed Lincoln and Cadillac. But let me tell you something...FoMoCo and GM engineering is WORLD CLASS!!!    

Looking at the new Navigator's interior and how Cadillac is gonna do the new Escalade...

And seeing how Ford is leading the charge with these ventilators...

I WILL VEHEMENTLY DEFEND FORD AND GM AGAINST YOUR ARGUMENT UNTIL THEY ENDS OF THE EARTH!!!

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On 3/19/2020 at 5:03 PM, smk4565 said:

The AMG GT R Pro which is a front engine, rear drive coupe, same as a C7,  is faster than the 755 hp ZR1.  And I know it is faster because it had the record for front engine rear drive car.

The 911 GT2 RS has like a 6:47 Nurburgring time which is also the old generation since the new 911 is out.  Let’s see the C8 in the 6’s.

All GM plants are closed now.  So one wonders what delays will happen with development cycle of future product.  And what production delays will occur,  Corvette is done for 2020 orders.

The 755 HP ZR1 coundnt put the power down efficiently.  It was barely faster than the Z06 in various performance criteria and hence why Tadge Juechter, THE Vette engineer pushed hard forand got the mid-engined platform  for the next gen Vette, whcih happens to be the C8... so nothing new that you are bitchin about here...nothing of importance  in other words...hence why I decided to make the font so small...because I dont care for that....its pollution and wate of time coming from you and nothing else. 

When the track focused C8s arrive, the REAL track focused C8s like a Z06, and its coming soon, very soon, your question will be answered...again, small font because just pollution and waste of time...

Your question about what happens to the C8 now for 2020 and 2021? Here is your answer:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a31976328/2021-c8-mid-engine-corvette-updates-report/

 

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Chevrolet is already preparing to launch the next model year of the C8 Corvette. Orders for the 2020 car have been halted, and allocations for the 2021 model-year Corvette will start in late May. And according to official dealer documents leaked on the C8 Corvette Owners Facebook Group, it's getting some significant updates.

 

The biggest update is the addition of two new color choices: red Mist Tintcoat and silver Flare. According to Corvette Blogger, they'll be replacing Long Beach red and Blade silver. The document also shows that Magnetic Ride Control has been made a standalone option for 2021—previously, you had to order the Z51 performance package to get it. Wireless CarPlay will apparently be made standard across the Corvette lineup.

 

 

 

 

 

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