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Genesis News: 2021 Genesis G80 Packs New Styling, Two Turbo Engines

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7 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Does the highest HP engine in ANY given model sell more that all the others?

I would doubt it.  The bottom engine is the best seller except maybe on something like a sports car maybe pickups where people skip the work truck base engine and go up a level.  

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I have seen this more and more by the Germans and it would infer that the Germans are going down the same path the old GM did.

The all new BMW 2020 745e has the same funky Shifter GM started to use and was blasted for yet it is OK to use it in a German auto?

This is the kind of crap @smk4565 has bitched about in US auto's and now we see it showing up in the German brands which will get a pass cause all things German are superior.

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https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127704_first-drive-review-2020-bmw-745e-plug-in-hybrid-luxury-sedan-goes-your-own-way-all-so-posh

So what does this have to do with Genesis, nothing really other than to point out Germans are using the same parts Cadillac used first and now it is OK to call it Luxury?

In fact, this has plenty to do with Genesis and the luxury segment as the Asians do have a higher reliability than German auto's which is why the Germans had to go to offering all maintenance to keep their leasing machine going as no one in their right mind would buy one.

I expect the Genesis to outlast the same year model of a german sedan.

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That shifter is in a BMW?!  I thought Cadillac was bad in putting a weird-working shifter in the XT5.

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The 7 series interior really hasn't changed since this generation came out for 2016, until 2020 when updates to the interior include a new 12.3-inch instrument cluster and a 10.25-inch infotainment screen

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26 minutes ago, balthazar said:

That tiny screen is in a '20 7-series?? BMW has really lost whatever forward momentum they had going.

2020 CT6 has 8 in infotainment screen, BMW 7-series has 10 in screen.

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1 hour ago, ykX said:

2020 CT6 has 8 in infotainment screen, BMW 7-series has 10 in screen.

I have no idea why any luxury car marque uses an infotainment screen smaller than ten inches.  Ideally every carmaker would have infotainment screens the size of a 2020 RAM pickup truck, especially crossovers and minivans.

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3 hours ago, dfelt said:

I have seen this more and more by the Germans and it would infer that the Germans are going down the same path the old GM did.

The all new BMW 2020 745e has the same funky Shifter GM started to use and was blasted for yet it is OK to use it in a German auto?

This is the kind of crap @smk4565 has bitched about in US auto's and now we see it showing up in the German brands which will get a pass cause all things German are superior.

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https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127704_first-drive-review-2020-bmw-745e-plug-in-hybrid-luxury-sedan-goes-your-own-way-all-so-posh

So what does this have to do with Genesis, nothing really other than to point out Germans are using the same parts Cadillac used first and now it is OK to call it Luxury?

In fact, this has plenty to do with Genesis and the luxury segment as the Asians do have a higher reliability than German auto's which is why the Germans had to go to offering all maintenance to keep their leasing machine going as no one in their right mind would buy one.

I expect the Genesis to outlast the same year model of a german sedan.

BMW started using that shift lever in 2008.  Why do you think Cadillac started using in on the first place?  
 

Hard to say no one in their right mind would buy a German car when Volkswagen is the largest car company in the world and the top 3 selling luxury brands in the world are Mercedes, BMW and Audi and any of them outsell the 4th place brand 3 to 1.  

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5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

BMW started using that shift lever in 2008.  Why do you think Cadillac started using in on the first place?  
 

Hard to say no one in their right mind would buy a German car when Volkswagen is the largest car company in the world and the top 3 selling luxury brands in the world are Mercedes, BMW and Audi and any of them outsell the 4th place brand 3 to 1.  

Rightttttttt and that is why VW, BMW and MB are at the bottom of sales in the US compared to FORD, GM and FCA here. 

Yes they are leading sales in the rest of the world, here they are just peanuts.

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3 hours ago, ykX said:

2020 CT6 has 8 in infotainment screen, BMW 7-series has 10 in screen.

Is the 7-series new for '20?

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5 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Lincoln should have their own window switches.  A Navigator or Aviator should not have a switch or turn signal stall out of a Ford Escape or Fusion.  This is the problem with Lincoln, it is fancy Ford.  They have done better than say 10 years ago where an MKZ and Fusion shared everything but still, for $80k on a Lincoln you should get Ford switchgear.  And same goes for Maserati who uses Dodge Dart window switches on the Ghibli.

They. Don't. Look at an Explorer and Aviator. They do not share switchgear and the same goes for the Corsair/MKC and Escape, Nautilus and Edge, Navigator and Expedition. From what I've read the literal only things they share is window switches and that's something that doesn't matter if the two look the same as they're tucked in the doors.

All of the Lincolns also have higher engine options save for maybe the Navigator if the Expedition gets the high output version of the 3.5 but I don't believe it does. 

1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

I have no idea why any luxury car marque uses an infotainment screen smaller than ten inches.  Ideally every carmaker would have infotainment screens the size of a 2020 RAM pickup truck, especially crossovers and minivans.

8 inches really isn't small as long as it is shaped and organized correctly. Mine is 8 inches and it doesn't seem small but it looks like there is more surface area than the 10 inch BMW because it's square and not rectangular. 

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Rightttttttt and that is why VW, BMW and MB are at the bottom of sales in the US compared to FORD, GM and FCA here. 

Yes they are leading sales in the rest of the world, here they are just peanuts.

He specifically said luxury brands...

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16 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Is the 7-series new for '20?

No, just an MCE. 

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2 hours ago, dfelt said:

Rightttttttt and that is why VW, BMW and MB are at the bottom of sales in the US compared to FORD, GM and FCA here. 

Yes they are leading sales in the rest of the world, here they are just peanuts.

Cost as far as BMW and Mercedes go here, of course they don't have volume of low priced brands.   VW should do better here, but worldwide VW is the size of Ford and GM combined.  VW could use another crossover or two in the USA, I think a pick up also, probably mid-size they won't get any penetration in full size market.

What will be interesting is to see VW's EV push.  That might make them a bigger player in the USA because they have a ton of EV's on the way across all their brands. 

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Random aside about European Mercedes Taxis and such, while watching a Belgian crime drama I’ve seen a couple Cadillac DTS hearses, one w the padded top like here and one European style w all the glass. 

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13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Cost as far as BMW and Mercedes go here, of course they don't have volume of low priced brands.   VW should do better here, but worldwide VW is the size of Ford and GM combined.  VW could use another crossover or two in the USA, I think a pick up also, probably mid-size they won't get any penetration in full size market.

What will be interesting is to see VW's EV push.  That might make them a bigger player in the USA because they have a ton of EV's on the way across all their brands. 

While most folks here know I am a big EV supporter, I DOUBT VW will gain much market share. The last time they had any noticable market gain was in the early 90's during their Fahrvergnügen marketing campaign where they actually connected with the US public. 

Since then, VW has Floundered any and all opportunities to increase market share as they approach the US the same way they do Europe and Asia and that FAILS as we are not them.

Auto's are too small, the Sparse interiors while a favorite of many Tech employees, is not what the bulk of America wants and even now, Many Tech employees are more into their smartphones than an auto. The few of us Tech folks here are the exception not the norm.

VW will not gain market share as their EV product line is focused on Europe / Asia and not America tastes. As such they will continue to be a Niche player.

Rivian knows this and it is why they focused on the full size Pickup / SUV as the EVs to bring to market.

BMW and Mercedes-Benz will FAIL also as long as they continue to focus on the wrong EV product for this Market.

GENESIS could very well take market share from everyone if they bring out a mid size and bigger EV products at a decent price. 

As all of us are in agreement here, Genesis needs to have luxury CUV/SUVs now rather than cars.

Take the Hyundai Palisade and make both an ICE and EV luxury Genesis version and you will have a winner winner Steak Dinner. 

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VW is planning something like 80 EV models, some of them will have to hit in the USA.   80 models is full on carpet bomb of all segments.

 

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23 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

VW is planning something like 80 EV models, some of them will have to hit in the USA.   80 models is full on carpet bomb of all segments.

 

Does not matter how many models they state they are building. VW still DOES NOT MAKE what the bulk of America wants. They have not changed and as such will have little to NO IMPACT and that is sad. Just as Mercedes-Benz has not taken the EV segment serious for the US. Their first EV will go to badge snob's but over all will not gain traction as they are focused on compact and subcompact and again NOT what the bulk of America wants. Their focus is Europe and China.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Does not matter how many models they state they are building. VW still DOES NOT MAKE what the bulk of America wants. They have not changed and as such will have little to NO IMPACT and that is sad. Just as Mercedes-Benz has not taken the EV segment serious for the US. Their first EV will go to badge snob's but over all will not gain traction as they are focused on compact and subcompact and again NOT what the bulk of America wants. Their focus is Europe and China.

Of course their focus is on Europe and China: they are from Europe and China is now the world's biggest auto market.  VW/Audi, MB and BMW could drop the US market like a bad habit and it would affect them very little.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Does not matter how many models they state they are building. VW still DOES NOT MAKE what the bulk of America wants. They have not changed and as such will have little to NO IMPACT and that is sad. Just as Mercedes-Benz has not taken the EV segment serious for the US. Their first EV will go to badge snob's but over all will not gain traction as they are focused on compact and subcompact and again NOT what the bulk of America wants. Their focus is Europe and China.

VW has 3 crossovers, which is the #1 selling body style.  They could use one smaller than Tiguan for sure though.  
 

Mercedes first 4 EV’s are small and compact SUV (the biggest growth segments) and Full size and mid size sedan will come next.  And they are focused on Europe because of emissions regulations.  They have to sell every EQ C they build in Europe to lower their fleet CO2 average.  

Once they scale up the EV’s they can bring more to the USA, but EV sales are like 3% of the American market, they aren’t missing out in anything right now.

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33 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Of course their focus is on Europe and China: they are from Europe and China is now the world's biggest auto market.  VW/Audi, MB and BMW could drop the US market like a bad habit and it would affect them very little.

Very true, all of them do massive business in China and Europe as well.  I remember Audi selling like 250,000 A6 alone in China a couple years ago.  Audi’s Chinese sales alone are on par with Lexus’s global volume.

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So I’m wondering. Is this yet another endless pissing match about why Benz is better than everything else (even when it’s clearly not), or what is luxury and what is not, or how Benz is slack on the EV front, or is this about the Genesis G80? Asking for a friend.

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26 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

So I’m wondering. Is this yet another endless pissing match about why Benz is better than everything else (even when it’s clearly not), or what is luxury and what is not, or how Benz is slack on the EV front, or is this about the Genesis G80? Asking for a friend.

Right!!!

My last sentence of my post was on this subject and it is totally ignored.

To Quote Myself: Take the Hyundai Palisade and make both an ICE and EV luxury Genesis version and you will have a winner winner Steak Dinner. 

Fact is, they could do this and steal a ton of business for everyone.

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Genesis has the GV80 CUV equivalent of this G80, I believe it starts at just under 50k and is larger than an XT5, same length as a BMW X5.  Have to wonder if they are planning a GV70.  Hopefully a new G90 and GV90 will be here within a few years.

 

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5 minutes ago, frogger said:

Genesis has the GV80 CUV equivalent of this G80, I believe it starts at just under 50k and is larger than an XT5, same length as a BMW X5.  Have to wonder if they are planning a GV70.  Hopefully a new G90 and GV90 will be here within a few years.

 

They need the GV90 and especially the GV70 now, not in 24-36 months.   Cadillac solved that product gap issue within the last 18 months.

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