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15 minutes ago, frogger said:

I wonder if their CUV's will move upmarket their next iteration too.  The CX5 should be all new by 2022 as well.  It needs to be a bit roomier IMO.

i would think the CX5 would still basically be the Mazda 3. the CX9 should definitely be a RWD/AWD beast with this engine..... Beast meaning stronger than what it is now.

edit, if HP scales linearly with displacement, the i6 would need to be 3.5L to be over 300hp, just barely.

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23 minutes ago, loki said:

i would think the CX5 would still basically be the Mazda 3. the CX9 should definitely be a RWD/AWD beast with this engine..... Beast meaning stronger than what it is now.

edit, if HP scales linearly with displacement, the i6 would need to be 3.5L to be over 300hp, just barely.

I think CX-30 is the Mazda 3 equivalent,  CX-5 is more mid size equivalent.  It does have to grow just a little bit IMO.

I hope Mazda goes with their plans for Mazda 6, sounds interesting.  I just wonder how much of a market will be for such sedans today.

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Sedans I think Mazda will keep the 6 but it will be a small seller. I think this will be a global platform that will be used to expand their CUV family and hopefully get the proper room inside for everyone as even the CX9 CUV is just cramped for the size and needs a proper powerful motor. Be interesting to watch and see. 

Seems Old is New now with the Straight 6 making a come back for various auto makers.

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Nice to see them moving to a niche product w/ a straight 6 and RWD instead of another generic transverse engine FWD appliance.   Something different and unique that will stand out in the market instead of another appliance family sedan.   Mazda using their sporty image to do something to stand out from the vanilla appliances Toyota, Honda and Nissan churn out....

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4 hours ago, ykX said:

I think CX-30 is the Mazda 3 equivalent,  CX-5 is more mid size equivalent.  It does have to grow just a little bit IMO.

I hope Mazda goes with their plans for Mazda 6, sounds interesting.  I just wonder how much of a market will be for such sedans today.

yeah, CX-30 is more like a direct "Mazda3 on stilts", but it also is a newer vehicle with the updated platform the new 3 uses. the whole lineup for mazda(not the MX-5), before the new 3, was the same platform, whether stretched or shrunk, lifted or standard.... tried to find this, no luck ATM.

definitely this space has left a lot of sales open with ford, GM(chevy/buick),FCA(how long does the 300/charger have left ?) leaving the space and these specs would make the 6 stand out, depending on price.

depending on how much more lux mazda is trying to go, this would be a huge success for the space, or another niche vehicle. for a ~2% market player.

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A RWD Mazda 6 is welcome.  The Only problem is is that the market is bent towards CUVs 24/7. 

An updated/upgraded CX-5 and CX-9 are needed yesterday.  Ideally, the platform for the CUVs are made into RWD rather than settle for FWD, since the unibody FWD CUV market is quite saturated.  Mazda needs something to grow market share and a unique selling point.

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2 hours ago, loki said:

yeah, CX-30 is more like a direct "Mazda3 on stilts", but it also is a newer vehicle with the updated platform the new 3 uses. the whole lineup for mazda(not the MX-5), before the new 3, was the same platform, whether stretched or shrunk, lifted or standard.... tried to find this, no luck ATM.

definitely this space has left a lot of sales open with ford, GM(chevy/buick),FCA(how long does the 300/charger have left ?) leaving the space and these specs would make the 6 stand out, depending on price.

depending on how much more lux mazda is trying to go, this would be a huge success for the space, or another niche vehicle. for a ~2% market player.

Would be interesting to compare total car sales both in the US and Globally to CUV sales in the US and Globally. Always interesting to compare the numbers. A global RWD / AWD platform would be an interesting way for Mazda to stand apart from the saturated FWD/AWD market place. Whether or not enough people would care is another question.

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Ideally, every automaker would build at least one or two RWD cars without charging BMW/MB/Cadillac prices.  Unfortunately, that has not happened in a long time.  Interestingly, there is a 2015 white Chevy SS with only 45k miles for about $34K at my local Buick dealer.  The car arrived about a week ago.  Could use a few more of those models for 2021.

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2 hours ago, riviera74 said:

Ideally, every automaker would build at least one or two RWD cars without charging BMW/MB/Cadillac prices.  Unfortunately, that has not happened in a long time.  Interestingly, there is a 2015 white Chevy SS with only 45k miles for about $34K at my local Buick dealer.  The car arrived about a week ago.  Could use a few more of those models for 2021.

2015, so a 6 year old auto even with only 45K miles for $34,000 is just crazy for a used auto.

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I saw this the other day when it was first posted on C&D.  I definitely like the exterior styling of it and I like the sound of an I6 and if it was really 350 hp that would be even better.  No mention of an AWD variant but there would have to be one for this to sell in anything but very low volumes (and yes, I know the volumes won't be high regardless).

 

24 minutes ago, dfelt said:

2015, so a 6 year old auto even with only 45K miles for $34,000 is just crazy for a used auto.

Apparently you have not shopped for a CTS-V wagon lately. 😲  There would be one in my garage if they weren't still priced sky high, especially the 6MT ones.

I should have bought a new SS.  Could have picked one up brand new for $38k at the end of their run. 😪  They have held their value well.  Pontiac G8 GT's held their value well for quite a long time as well.

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9 hours ago, 2QuickZ's said:

I saw this the other day when it was first posted on C&D.  I definitely like the exterior styling of it and I like the sound of an I6 and if it was really 350 hp that would be even better.  No mention of an AWD variant but there would have to be one for this to sell in anything but very low volumes (and yes, I know the volumes won't be high regardless).

 

Apparently you have not shopped for a CTS-V wagon lately. 😲  There would be one in my garage if they weren't still priced sky high, especially the 6MT ones.

I should have bought a new SS.  Could have picked one up brand new for $38k at the end of their run. 😪  They have held their value well.  Pontiac G8 GT's held their value well for quite a long time as well.

I can understand what you are saying, great that they are holding their value. Sadly, I tried and while I like station wagaons, grew up in an Oldsmobile Delta 98 Station Wagon, Blue with fake wood on the side and the third seat in the back facing backwards, that was my spot, sisters in the middle bench, I cannot fit in the CTS-V Wagon. Cool Cars, but not big enough for me to fit.

Hopefully one day you get the auto you love. :metal:

Back on the Mazda 6 with I6 motor, yes, I would agree with you that an AWD version should be made.

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10 hours ago, dfelt said:

2015, so a 6 year old auto even with only 45K miles for $34,000 is just crazy for a used auto.

Well, the SS was a very low volume niche model...so strong resale values.  And it's not a FWD generic.   But that's a high price compared to a 540i or V8 E-class of the same era and mileage (though those had a higher new price and more sales volume). 

But compare the price of a used SS to a used CTS-v of the same vintage.  Same ballpark, and the SS is much rarer than a CTS-v.    

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2 hours ago, loki said:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36489445/mazda-6-discontinued/

well, the FWD mazda 6 is surely dead for 2022....
will the name change with the RWD platform, or will it be an extra year before the 6 comes roaring back ?

Bigger question, will Mazda even survive till 2025 let alone bother to do cars since sales are dying faster than one can say pop rocks.

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10 hours ago, David said:

Bigger question, will Mazda even survive till 2025 let alone bother to do cars since sales are dying faster than one can say pop rocks.

Not sure where you get that their sales are dying, since while they are not growing very fast but not dying either. 

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Also during 2020 majority of manufactures saw a decline in sales, Mazda had slight increase.

Ford 1,929,195 Down 16%
Toyota 1,837,898 Down 12%
Chevrolet 1,730,022 Down 11%
Honda 1,199,805 Down 17%
Nissan 837,762 Down 32%
Jeep 795,306 Down 14%
Ram 624,637 Down 11%
Hyundai 619,925 Down 10%
Subaru 611,938 Down 13%
Kia 586,005 Down 5%
GMC 515,313 Down 9%
Volkswagen 323,634 Down 11%
BMW 280,297 Down 14%
Mazda 279,076 Up 0.19%
Lexus 275,042 Down 8%
Dodge 267,326 Down 37%
Audi 186,625 Down 17%
Buick 162,749 Down 21%
Acura 136,982 Down 13%
Cadillac 129,495 Down 17%
Chrysler 110,285 Down 13%
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Yes sales are down overall for everyone, but where does R&D come from when you have such meager sales?

319,185 was the high point in 2015. R&D takes billions and as the world converts to BEVs, they are paying other companies to put together a compliance auto MX30. Not really a way to win over buyers when you have such a lack luster (NO ZOOM ZOOM) auto.

Yes, I have to question if Mazda can survive the change over globally and stay as an independent company. Keep in mind they slowly grew but had financial ties with Ford as part owner. Since 2015 they have not really done much when Ford sold off their controlling interest in the company.

Ford sells remaining stake in Mazda - Nikkei Asia

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1 hour ago, David said:

Since 2015 they have not really done much when Ford sold off their controlling interest in the company.

Actually, I would argue that they are doing much better and producing much better vehicles since Ford got out of the picture.

1 hour ago, David said:

Yes, I have to question if Mazda can survive the change over globally and stay as an independent company.

Mazda has an extensive partnership agreement with Toyota.

"In May 2015, the company signed an agreement with Toyota to form a "long-term partnership", that would, among others, see Mazda supply Toyota with fuel-efficient SkyActiv gasoline and diesel engine technology in exchange for hydrogen fuel cell systems" 

"HUNTSVILLE, Ala., (Aug. 13, 2020) – Today, Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, (MTM), the new joint-venture between Mazda Motor Corporation and Toyota Motor Corporation, announced an additional $830 million investment to incorporate more cutting-edge manufacturing technologies to its production lines and provide enhanced training to its workforce of up to 4,000 employees."

Mazda and Toyota Further Commitment to U.S. Manufacturing with Additional Investment - Toyota USA Newsroom

That will be 50/50 manufacturing facility that will build small Toyota and Mazda crossovers.

 

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4 hours ago, ykX said:

Actually, I would argue that they are doing much better and producing much better vehicles since Ford got out of the picture.

Mazda has an extensive partnership agreement with Toyota.

"In May 2015, the company signed an agreement with Toyota to form a "long-term partnership", that would, among others, see Mazda supply Toyota with fuel-efficient SkyActiv gasoline and diesel engine technology in exchange for hydrogen fuel cell systems" 

"HUNTSVILLE, Ala., (Aug. 13, 2020) – Today, Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, (MTM), the new joint-venture between Mazda Motor Corporation and Toyota Motor Corporation, announced an additional $830 million investment to incorporate more cutting-edge manufacturing technologies to its production lines and provide enhanced training to its workforce of up to 4,000 employees."

Mazda and Toyota Further Commitment to U.S. Manufacturing with Additional Investment - Toyota USA Newsroom

That will be 50/50 manufacturing facility that will build small Toyota and Mazda crossovers.

 

Meh, We agree to disagree my friend. Will take the long road of wait and see. I think this decade will see considerable change in the auto industry and not just cause of China.

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2 hours ago, daves87rs said:

I think if Mazda can use some of Toyota’s resources-they should do just fine....

I wonder about if they really have access cause if they did, then the MX-30 would have been better than it is. I am thinking unlike Subaru, Mazda does not have access to the whole pantry of products.

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