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The Toyota Tundra holds the title of being the oldest full-size truck, coming in at thirteen years without any sort of redesign. On one hand, this makes the Tundra a very reliable and dependable truck. On the other hand, the Tundra isn’t able to fully compete with the likes GM, Ram, or Ford with their more modern designs and hardware. But there is one exception to this where the Tundra can be a good alternative to the Detroit Three, and it comes in the form of the TRD Pro.

  • Color can do a lot to a vehicle such as making an older model look modern or highlighting some of the polarizing elements of a design. This Army Green paint, which is new on all TRD Pros for 2020 makes the Tundra look younger and a bit more aggressive. 
  • Inside, you can tell that the Tundra is getting up there in age. The design hasn’t changed much and material quality cannot even compare to the likes of GM and Ram’s trucks. But I like the large buttons and knobs for various controls. Not only does it make it easier to find, but it means you can have a set of gloves on and easily control various aspects.
  • One key improvement for 2020 is Apple CarPlay and Android Auto being added to the Tundra’s Entune system, which gives drivers another choice in their infotainment choices.
  • The Crewmax model seen here is huge. Step into the back seat and you might think you entered a limo with an endless amount of head and legroom on offer. I do wish the seats had a little bit more padding.
  • Only one engine is available on the 2020 Tundra; a 5.7L V8 with 381 horsepower and 401 pound-feet of torque. This is teamed with a six-speed automatic and four-wheel drive.
  • This engine provides plenty of thrust and provides an engine burble that you might expect from one of the Detroit three’s V8 trucks. The automatic is very smooth when changing gear and seems to where it needs to be in any situation.
  • The downside to this V8 is fuel economy. The EPA says TRD Pro CrewMax will return 13 City/17 Highway/14 Combined. I saw an average of 14.2 mpg during my week of a 60/40 mix of highway and city driving. Maybe a couple more gears for the automatic could improve this.
  • Toyota has kitted the Tundra TRD Pro with some serious off-road chops; Fox internal bypass dampers for all four corners, TRD springs that increase wheel travel, and a set of Michelin LTX off-road tires. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a chance to try it off-road. But other reviewers who have taken it off the beaten path report the TRD Pro is very capable. 
  • What I can report is the changes to the suspension makes for a surprisingly comfortable ride.
  • This suspension does mean you will experience a fair amount of body roll when cornering, but that is to be expected with a truck like this.
  • My Tundra TRD Pro CrewMax starts at $52,780. With some accessories and destination, the price climbs $55,020.
  • The Tundra is getting long in the tooth as evidenced by the interior and poor fuel economy from the V8 engine. But the TRD Pro helps freshen the Tundra a bit and makes a compelling option for those who plan on spending more time off the beaten path.

Disclaimer: Toyota Provided the Tundra, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas

Year: 2020
Make: Toyota
Model: Tundra
Trim: TRD Pro CrewMax
Engine: 5.7L DOHC 32-Valve i-FORCE V8
Driveline: Six-Speed Automatic, Four-Wheel Drive
Horsepower @ RPM: 381 @ 5,600
Torque @ RPM: 401 @ 3,600
Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 13/17/14
Curb Weight: N/A
Location of Manufacture: San Antonio, TX 
Base Price: $52,780
As Tested Price: $55,020 (Includes $1,495.00 Destination Charge)

Options:
Chrome Tube Steps - $535.00
Stainless Steel Door Edge Guard - $140.00
Door Sill Protector - $70.00


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This is one truck that will continue to sell to the Toyota Faithful. Otherwise it is a totally forgettable truck.

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LOL 14 MPG average?  NOPE.

Plus it continues to irk me when I see US flags and other patriotic stickers on foreign vehicles.  Should be a white field with a red dot, not our dear old Stars & Stripes on there.

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2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

LOL 14 MPG average?  NOPE.

Plus it continues to irk me when I see US flags and other patriotic stickers on foreign vehicles.  Should be a white field with a red dot, not our dear old Stars & Stripes on there.

Well, it is built in San Antonio Texas.  At the same time, I see no reason to actually BUY a Tundra.

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$55K? For a toyoter??

>>"On one hand, this makes the Tundra a very reliable and dependable truck. "<<
Does it?

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The Tundra was long in the tooth about 6 years ago

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On 7/22/2020 at 4:01 PM, balthazar said:

$55K? For a toyoter??

>>"On one hand, this makes the Tundra a very reliable and dependable truck. "<<
Does it?

Yep, it does. That V8 is still old school with none of that annoying DOD tech that seems to fail on the other trucks to save a little fuel. To start/stop tech which is still quite annoying.... or even turbo engines.

Less stuff to break. 🙂  Still an ugly truck though......

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On 7/22/2020 at 1:19 PM, ocnblu said:

LOL 14 MPG average?  NOPE.

Plus it continues to irk me when I see US flags and other patriotic stickers on foreign vehicles.  Should be a white field with a red dot, not our dear old Stars & Stripes on there.

It is built in US and I know personally couple veterans that drive them.  It is what they sacrificed earned people right to buy whatever they want (especially if it is built in US) and put any f@cking stickers they want to on their truck. 

On 7/22/2020 at 4:01 PM, balthazar said:

$55K? For a toyoter??

>>"On one hand, this makes the Tundra a very reliable and dependable truck. "<<
Does it?

Yes it does.  More reliable than F-150 and Silverado based what I hear from my coworkers that drive trucks.  Old but reliable V8 and electronics that are way less glitchy.  Not necessary better but they are more reliable.

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1 hour ago, ykX said:

It is built in US and I know personally couple veterans that drive them.  It is what they sacrificed earned people right to buy whatever they want (especially if it is built in US) and put any f@cking stickers they want to on their truck. 

Yes it does.  More reliable than F-150 and Silverado based what I hear from my coworkers that drive trucks.  Old but reliable V8 and electronics that are way less glitchy.  Not necessary better but they are more reliable.

When your dated like a baby boomer, in a baby boomer's eyes it might seem more reliable, but clearly it is stuck in the past. I have seen just as many on tow trucks as I have seen fords or GM. 

Would be interesting to see the average age of buyers for these trucks.

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While some folk may quibble with the definition of 'reliable', I can't ignore all-too-common examples of toyoter engineering/ quality/ reliability  like this

tac.jpg

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10 minutes ago, balthazar said:

While some folk may quibble with the definition of 'reliable', I can't ignore all-too-common examples of toyoter engineering/ quality/ reliability  like this

tac.jpg

You should find even older pictures to prove your point.  My co-worker Silverado rusted so bad he could not pass inspection.

 

27 minutes ago, David said:

When your dated like a baby boomer, in a baby boomer's eyes it might seem more reliable, but clearly it is stuck in the past. I have seen just as many on tow trucks as I have seen fords or GM. 

Would be interesting to see the average age of buyers for these trucks.

I am in 40s and my colleagues are in early 50s.

Few after having Silverado or F-150 with numerous electrical or reliability issues swore next one will be Tundra.  As a matter of fact I have two co-workers, one with 2014 F-150 and another with 2014 Tundra.  F-150 had and still has a lot of electrical issues, stereo doesn't work right, backup camera stops working, windows refuse to go up etc, etc.  Tundra had absolutely no issues at all.

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3 hours ago, ykX said:

It is built in US

Honestly...

Big PHOQUING deal that its built in the US...

It REALLY means nothing...

3 hours ago, ykX said:

I know personally couple veterans that drive them.  It is what they sacrificed earned people right to buy whatever they want

Sure!   Americans...Canadians...are FREE to buy what they want.

So are German and Japanese folk. These people are FREE to buy whatever they want too.

Oh...please stop with this bullshyte argument insinuating that ONLY Americans have fought  for their freedoms for their people to be free.

France, Britain, Greece and many many many....many many many....many many other nations and tribes and clans over the hundreds of thousands of years humans have been roaming the phoquing planet have fought oppressions of all  kinds JUST to be free... 

3 hours ago, ykX said:

(especially if it is built in US) and put any f@cking stickers they want to on their truck. 

Yeah but....really though.

Where is the REAL American pride?

Germans and Japanese in Germany and Japan ALL buy cars that are OWNED by German and Japanese firms...   These people are TRULY proud to be...   They believe in their engineering.

I guess anything engineered in America is crap?  

THAT is what you believe?

Look at the last 150 years, including 2020, and YOU tell ME with a straight face that America sucks in engineering stuff.   

Made in America by a foreign company means absolutely NOTHING...

Toyoter (and evidently that dumb rag of a mag consumer report) has BRAINWASHED you into thinking all kinds of stupid things....)

3 hours ago, ykX said:

Yes it does.  More reliable than F-150 and Silverado based what I hear from my coworkers that drive trucks.  Old but reliable V8 and electronics that are way less glitchy.  Not necessary better but they are more reliable.

Case in point...

All those frame rusts, all those engine slugs, all those runaway cars...and Consumer Reports, nor yourself...have ANY hatred towards Toyoter, but you loathe GM?

You ARE free to think what you wanna think and buy what you wanna buy... 

I aint here to change your mind about NOTHING.  I dont care!

But...Im letting YOU know...I aint falling for YOUR bullshyte argument...

And Im calling you out on it...

 

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It looks pretty sweet and that's half of what matters in a vehicle. 

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

While some folk may quibble with the definition of 'reliable', I can't ignore all-too-common examples of toyoter engineering/ quality/ reliability  like this

tac.jpg

"common", look how old that truck is. That wasn't made this decade.

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@oldshurst442 What are you rumbling about? 

If something means nothing to you it doesn't means it means nothing to other people.  Yes, Toyota is Japanese company, but Tundra is designed and built in US giving jobs to thousands people in US.  On the American Made index Tundra is rated at #16 while F-150 is rated #44, SIlverado is at #77.

And BTW those frame rusts everyone comes back to all the time were happening 20 years ago.  That argument is long gone.  

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Given how old the Tundra is, it still looks good.   Don't see them often here, maybe more common on the West Coast..

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30 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Given how old the Tundra is, it still looks good.   Don't see them often here, maybe more common on the West Coast..

Yup, plenty of the Turda out here. Plenty of the old Toy Pickups with frame issues too.

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This is a pic from Pittsburg where they salt so heavily to insure making you have to buy a new auto every 4 to 5 years I guess. :P 

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New England talking about how fast the frames rust out due to the salt exposure.

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2004 Toyota Tacoma has the frame rust out in 2016. 12 years. I have never seen this on a Ford or GM truck before. But I do get that everything rusts out.

 

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Those are all old ones, though...and Tacomas, not Tundras.  The thing I see here in NE Ohio is a lot of cab and bed rust out on 10-20 yr old Rams, Fords and GM trucks...frames probably rusty also. 

Rusty framed Tacomas from 15-20 years ago have no relevance on what they are building now.

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• No one said how old the picture I posted was.

• Yes, they rusted out / broke in half / had to be scrapped a decade ago. But it speaks to the Company that such a occurrence could even happen on their watch. That catastrophic structural failure may not mean much to hardcore loyalists (??), but coupled with the sixty million other vehicles recalled in a decade & a half... that paints a pretty damning portrait.

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9 minutes ago, balthazar said:

• No one said how old the picture I posted was.

• Yes, they rusted out / broke in half / had to be scrapped a decade ago. But it speaks to the Company that such a occurrence could even happen on their watch. That catastrophic structural failure may not mean much to hardcore loyalists (??), but coupled with the sixty million other vehicles recalled in a decade & a half... that paints a pretty damning portrait.

Rusty framed Tacomas from 15-20 years ago have no relevance to what they are building now.

Just like the ignition recall on old vehicles has no relevance to what GM is building now. 

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The warranty campaign covered up to 2012 vehicles. That's 8 years ago, not 20. [How old is the current tundra's frame?]

No; a single event doesn't necc mean anything RE a current, different product. But a monsoon of problems, deficiencies, engineering cost-cutting and recalls over 20 years speaks loudly to a corporate mindset / SOP. Plenty of choices out there, not worth the risk on a mediocre appliance.

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5 minutes ago, balthazar said:


No; a single event doesn't necc mean anything RE a current, different product. But a monsoon of problems, deficiencies, engineering cost-cutting and recalls over 20 years speaks loudly to a corporate mindset / SOP. Plenty of choices out there, not worth the risk on a mediocre appliance.

Unfortunately, exactly same thing and even more can be said about GM and Ford products.  

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47 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

What issues was the Tundra having? All I saw was pictures of the Tacoma. 

None that I know of...just people stirring up shit...

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5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

None that I know of...just people stirring up &#036;h&#33;...

That's what it looked like to me. 

fOrEiGn tRuCk bAd

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