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Interactive Review: 2020 Hyundai Sonata Limited 1.6T

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Taking the place of the Toyota 86 this week at the Cheers & Gears' Detroit bureau is the 2020 Hyundai Sonata Limited. A car which I have been wanting to drive since it made its North American debut last spring at the New York Auto Show. The new model solves one of the biggest criticisms I had with the last-generation model, a very boring and plain design. Taking it out last night, I was noticing people glancing at this midsize sedan.

Power comes from a turbocharged 1.6L four-cylinder producing 180 horsepower and 195 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with an eight-speed automatic. The as-tested price is a surprising $34,465 considering what you get on this including Smart Park, 10.25-inch touchscreen, heads-up display, heated/cooled seats, and more.

Some first impressions,

  • Hyundai has provided an Android smartphone (Samsung Galaxy Note 8) so various writers can try the digital key, which allows a smartphone to take the place of the actual key. I haven't tried it in place of the key yet, but I'm having some confidence issues with it. Whenever I try to connect the phone with car from inside the house, it cannot find the vehicle. I know I'm within range - 10 meters or 32 feet. So far, I have been able to connect with the vehicle once.
  • The interior in my Limited tester is very impressive. Handsome design, quality materials, and roomy.
  • Fuel economy is one area I wasn't expecting to be this good - currently seeing around 33 mpg.

I'll have more updates throughout the Sonata's stay, including Smart Park and Digital Key. In the meantime, drop your questions below.

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I do not like the exterior styling at all, but it stands out and that will appeal to many.  The interior styling I think is a home run (except for that steering wheel, which wouldn't make me walk away).  Hyundai went above and beyond with this.

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I agree, I really dislike the exterior.  I thought maybe in person it looks better, but I recently saw one on the road and it doesn't.  The interior looks very good.

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Meh to the exterior, Love the interior, Shocked by a Note 8 smartphone to show off when they are on the Note 20 now, not 1 but 4 generations behind. If the Android system is current in the auto, then the Note 8 is flaky as this specific phone which my wife had stopped getting updates at the start of 2019. My wife is now on a Note 20 which is awesome. 

Bill if you have a newer Android phone, I would install the Hyundai software from the play store and try it, bet it works better.

Questions:

  1. How is it off the line from a stop?
  2. How is it for passing at freeway speed?
  3. Rear seat head room and leg room for larger people?
  4. Blind spots?

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3 hours ago, Paolino said:

I do not like the exterior styling at all, but it stands out and that will appeal to many.  The interior styling I think is a home run (except for that steering wheel, which wouldn't make me walk away).  Hyundai went above and beyond with this.

Agree, interior looks great and a lot of features on this car.  I am not too crazy about the outside though, the 2011 Sonata nailed it and this looks a bit odd.

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23 hours ago, David said:

Meh to the exterior, Love the interior, Shocked by a Note 8 smartphone to show off when they are on the Note 20 now, not 1 but 4 generations behind. If the Android system is current in the auto, then the Note 8 is flaky as this specific phone which my wife had stopped getting updates at the start of 2019. My wife is now on a Note 20 which is awesome. 

Bill if you have a newer Android phone, I would install the Hyundai software from the play store and try it, bet it works better.

Questions:

  1. How is it off the line from a stop?
  2. How is it for passing at freeway speed?
  3. Rear seat head room and leg room for larger people?
  4. Blind spots?

My guess is to why they're using an older Android phone comes down to cost. If they were to supply all of the Sonatas in the press fleet for the U.S., that would be quite expensive. I guess they had a stockpile from another thing or something. I did get it to work, but I found that I had to be a bit closer to the vehicle, like on the front porch to get a good connection.

Also, I am an iPhone user, not Android. This is one of those times where I wished I had one.

1 & 2: Excellent performance for both of these situations. Engine perks right up and moves the sedan at a quick rate. Also, doesn't hesitate to downshift when needing to make a pass.
3. Might be a bit tight in headroom due to the sloping roofline and panoramic sunroof on my tester. I fit in there fine but I'm 5'8"
4. There is some in the rear pillars.

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exterior doesn't do much for me.  It has a faux look / trying too hard and it ends up looking like it will have been forgotten 5 years from now.

interior has a few nice things going on I suppose but the console / shifter / lower part of the dash starts to lose the nicer look and presentation that the upper part has.

We may have hit peak sedan a few years ago and this feels like it is trying to keep milking something that hasn't been there for a few years now.  I do actually think the 2011-2019 will mark as a classic (the early of those years at least) but Hyundai did make effort to keep it fresh all the time and even the 2019 had a decent desirable look.

I think someone is going to have to do something absolutely extraordinary and game changing to get sedan designs out of the 2010's decade look that they continue to be in, but i guess i can't offer up what that exactly is.  It sort of makes me wish the Escala concept's exterior had survived to be produced some way.

A meticulously clean glossy black Jaguar XJ L parked near me at the liquor store the other day.  It stood out and was gorgeous but left me with a though, are sedans too low, too wide, and this long low wide aero design guidlines have taken us to the end of the road on sedan distinctiveness.

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Noticed one of these a couple days ago out on the road. Really unfortunate styling all around. Would not want to be seen in.

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2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Noticed one of these a couple days ago out on the road. Really unfortunate styling all around. Would not want to be seen in.

While we don't always agree, you are not far off of the mark here. Hard pass from the Horse. 

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23 hours ago, regfootball said:

A meticulously clean glossy black Jaguar XJ L parked near me at the liquor store the other day.  It stood out and was gorgeous but left me with a though, are sedans too low, too wide, and this long low wide aero design guidlines have taken us to the end of the road on sedan distinctiveness.

Couple reflections : sedans actually reached their lowest point many yrs ago. They've ballooned upward a few inches since then.
'Too wide' : no way; that's one of the major shortfalls of modern sedans; too narrow.

As for 'end of road aero design', dude; I've been preaching that here a good 10 years now.

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A couple of final thoughts before the Sonata goes back today.

  • I'm wondering if a number of people who don't like the design of the Sonata would prefer the new Kia K5 (previously known as the Optima) as they are similar in terms of most mechanicals. But the K5 is a bit more conventional. (Yes, I'm hoping to get one in the future, once I figure out who has Kia's press fleet here in the Detroit)
  • Fuel economy landed around 32 mpg over 230 miles of mixed driving.
  • Let's dive quickly into Smart Park. You need to about 10 feet or so within the vehicle and remote start it. From there, you press either the forward or reverse buttons on the keyfob to move the Sonata. It takes a few seconds before it moves, and then travels at a slow speed in and out of parking spot. It is a nice idea, but I find this to be more a party trick then actual useable feature. 
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^ That was my impression watching the 'smaht pahk' commercial - it takes far longer than conventionally. Tech should make things easier, not more convoluted & take longer.

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I am not into this self-driving/self-help features on cars such as self parking and Tesla's valet thing.  

Maybe when Im old enough to NOT be able to drive properly and need a walker will I probably appreciate this kind of technology.

About smaht pahk.  Ill be a smahtty pants about it.  About the only thing I was impressed by it, it was a great Superbowl commercial.  

 

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When you're old / doddering / can't drive properly, you'll be in a EV that goes 0-60 in 2.5 secs & 0-100 in 8.  I'm sure insurance rates won't budge at all once everyone is driving a 'muscle car'. LOLOL

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2 hours ago, William Maley said:

A couple of final thoughts before the Sonata goes back today.

  • I'm wondering if a number of people who don't like the design of the Sonata would prefer the new Kia K5 (previously known as the Optima) as they are similar in terms of most mechanicals. But the K5 is a bit more conventional. (Yes, I'm hoping to get one in the future, once I figure out who has Kia's press fleet here in the Detroit)
  • Fuel economy landed around 32 mpg over 230 miles of mixed driving.
  • Let's dive quickly into Smart Park. You need to about 10 feet or so within the vehicle and remote start it. From there, you press either the forward or reverse buttons on the keyfob to move the Sonata. It takes a few seconds before it moves, and then travels at a slow speed in and out of parking spot. It is a nice idea, but I find this to be more a party trick then actual useable feature. 

Appreciate all the input and write ups on the auto Bill.

I will say that while normally I would not use the Smart Park, I do see a valid use case for the feature.

INNER CITY PARKING. The parking garages and lots have gotten so small that it makes sense to have a self parking feature to get the auto into and out of a tight parking spot. Other wise party trick is so true in the suburbs and rural areas.

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Not to worry - people are streaming out of big cities to live elsewhere, and there's no entertainment industry left to pull those outside the city, in.

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43 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Not to worry - people are streaming out of big cities to live elsewhere, and there's no entertainment industry left to pull those outside the city, in.

For now, but a year from now, I would not be surprised to see those that like a city life, stream back in. Right now it is all about saving one self.

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NY has been losing residents since 2015. They stand to possibly lose 2 representatives because of it. It's not all COVID-related (the reprocussions of which aren't done being felt for who knows HOW long) And a LOT of the features of urban living (dining, entertainment) may be permanently altered & permanently GONE.

Emboldened by unprecedented power-execution and bathed in the cold sweat of CYA (cover your ass), politicians are going to err on the side of extreme caution in many instances, and of all the events canceled for 2020 I expect most to be canceled again in '21.

Manual parallel parking may be a breeze for years to come. Too bad, hyundai.

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I suppose self-parking could be useful if you do a lot of parallel parking.  Parallel parking is stupid--I very rarely have to do it, prefer to park in lots or garages, or valet if available.  

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3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Just saw Nashville hotel bookings are off by 46%. That means parking there is easier by the same amount. 😉

Seattle down town bookings are off 60%, so 60% more space for manual parking. :P 

3 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I suppose self-parking could be useful if you do a lot of parallel parking.  Parallel parking is stupid--I very rarely have to do it, prefer to park in lots or garages. 

Yet that is the easiest parking for you, the owner of SUV/CUV where you can just put the front wheel up on the curb and gently let it back off once you pull in tight. Always close to the curb.

My daughter who is terrible at parallel parking , I showed her to how do that with her Durango, Boom issue solved and she was always close and tight. Yea a few tire scrapes, but heck easy P parking. :P 

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4 minutes ago, David said:

 

Yet that is the easiest parking for you, the owner of SUV/CUV where you can just put the front wheel up on the curb and gently let it back off once you pull in tight. Always close to the curb.

My daughter who is terrible at parallel parking , I showed her to how do that with her Durango, Boom issue solved and she was always close and tight. Yea a few tire scrapes, but heck easy P parking. :P 

Yes, the ground clearance of an SUV makes it easier---just go up on the curb.  The times I've parallel parked I usually end up way out from the curb.  I remember some years ago what a pain it was parallel parking in downtown Portland in a rental Grand Prix--hard to see out of, and big overhangs, and too low to go up on the high curbs..

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You guys should try PPing a vehicle with a 153" wheelbase.

I've PP'd a number of times, if I'm working in a city, but I only do it with TWO open spots and I go in nose-first / often go over the curb. On tight streets I've parked with both curb-side tires on the curb... cause she's girthy.

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8 minutes ago, balthazar said:

You guys should try PPing a vehicle with a 153" wheelbase.

I've PP'd a number of times, if I'm working in a city, but I only do it with TWO open spots and I go in nose-first / often go over the curb. On tight streets I've parked with both curb-side tires on the curb... cause she's girthy.

The closest I get to that wheel base is PPing my Escalade ESV and then the wheelbase is only 134.1". I can totally imagine just how much more challenging an extra 10" of wheelbase would be to park.

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I have parallel parked my sister's Chevy Trax...167.2" overall length.  Very easy to PP.    

I remember as a teenager learning to PP on the farm...my Dad set up poles in milk jugs filled w/ sand and I took the longest car he had then ('85 Lincoln Town Car) and practiced with it...serious blind spots w/ the tiny rear window and thick C-pillars, but super-light power steering.   I did my driving test in his '84 Ford Escort diesel, much easier to PP. 

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16 minutes ago, David said:

...my Escalade ESV and then the wheelbase is only 134.1". I can totally imagine just how much more challenging an extra 10" of wheelbase would be to park.

I came out of a 133" WB F-150 going into this- there's def a difference, but the 2500HD does have more steering angle range, and I think it's faster, also.

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

I have parallel parked my sister's Chevy Trax...167.2" overall length.  Very easy to PP.    

I remember as a teenager learning to PP on the farm...my Dad set up poles in milk jugs filled w/ sand and I took the longest car he had then ('85 Lincoln Town Car) and practiced with it...serious blind spots w/ the tiny rear window and thick C-pillars, but super-light power steering.   I did my driving test in his '84 Ford Escort diesel, much easier to PP. 

WOW, just a 100" wheelbase on the trax, that means there is some serious overhang front and rear on that auto.

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5 minutes ago, David said:

WOW, just a 100" wheelbase on the trax, that means there is some serious overhang front and rear on that auto.

Mostly the front...not much rear overhang.   By comparison, my '87 Mustang GT has a 100.5" wheelbase with overall length of 179.6"...(a 2020 Mustang has a 7 inch longer wheelbase and is about 9 inches longer overall).

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trax ceertainly has a 'chin'.

Trax was dead but SUV boom and trailblazer intro means trailblazer can shoot for the higher price points and the Trax sales may actually increase by being able to sell at low prices.  I wouldn't be suprised to see Trax remain in the lineup unchanged until 2025 or so....Trax and Encore came out in 2013 (Trax wasn't available right away in the US).  Encore will probably continue also in the Buick showrooms, 10+ year shelf life that is getting to be FCA style vehicle staying power.

K5 nice looking indeed I wish they would have kept the Optima name.  I wished in the past they had kept the Spectra name also though.

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Every review of the Venue I've seen has been positive, except for the unpadded door armrests... which the base trim Kona also has, but no one rags on it about that fact, and it is + or - $3k higher in price than the Venue.

All the reviewers seem surprised at how much they like the Venue after driving it.

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Jaw dropping?...nah. Hard pass, the exterior is fugly and the interior is nothing special...ugh those Hyundai/Genesis steering wheels are the worst. And if you can't park you shouldn't be driving for sh!t sake.

I learned how to drive in a '91 Suburban and paralleled that b!tch like a pro for my driving test, can parallel and get that perfect distance from the curb no matter what I'm driving to this day. 

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My driving test, taken in this:

characteristic dimensions: outside length: 224.8 in, width: 79.6 in, wheelbase: 124 in

Passed with flying colors, but of course I'd been driving bigger things than that on the farm since age nine (F-600, F-700, John Deeres), so the Pontiac was a breeze to handle at that point.

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8 hours ago, ocnblu said:

My driving test, taken in this:

characteristic dimensions: outside length: 224.8 in, width: 79.6 in, wheelbase: 124 in

Passed with flying colors, but of course I'd been driving bigger things than that on the farm since age nine (F-600, F-700, John Deeres), so the Pontiac was a breeze to handle at that point.

Grew up on a farm too, driving John Deere tractors, riding lawn mowers and farm trucks in the field when bucking hay and all, also would sneak onto the road near the house once in a while :D  I love to drive, it makes a big difference getting behind the wheel and learning everything about driving at a young age too. 

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On 9/12/2020 at 5:44 PM, ocnblu said:

Every review of the Venue I've seen has been positive, except for the unpadded door armrests... which the base trim Kona also has, but no one rags on it about that fact, and it is + or - $3k higher in price than the Venue.

All the reviewers seem surprised at how much they like the Venue after driving it.

Making Korea great again.😆

 

Oh the irony here.

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I haven't been able to get into this most recent Sonata ... mentally.  It's mostly the styling, from the derivative front end to the rear tail lamps that also remind of me of something else.  A lot of odd angles.  It's like Hyundai was trying too hard.  "No, thanks" to this car for me.

The interior is more appealing than the exterior.  The fit and finish is good.  The console is too high for my taste.  The slot in the center stack is larger than before, and than in many similar cars.  Having a more useful cubby hole there is a good thing.

I happened to be looking at Hyundais on a lot this weekend and the base model stickers out at $ 24 K.  The $ 34 K ones on the lot (like this one) had the panoramic roof.  An increase of $ 10 K is a tough pill to swallow for the same platform, even with all the upgrades. 

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8 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Making Korea great again.😆

 

Oh the irony here.

Meh, stop with the baloney.  It's a perfect car for my mom, for example, and there is no domestic alternative.

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35 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Meh, stop with the baloney.  It's a perfect car for my mom, for example, and there is no domestic alternative.

Whatever you say Captain America. 

 

And you’ve been making enough baloney for the both of us. I’m merely stating a fact.

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23 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Whatever you say Captain America. 

 

And you’ve been making enough baloney for the both of us. I’m merely stating a fact.

Link please.  To a domestic 2020/2021 competitor to the Venue.

Sweet baloney and American cheese with yellow mustard on white bread... makes a tasty sandwich.

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14 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Link please.  To a domestic 2020/2021 competitor to the Venue.

Sweet baloney and American cheese with yellow mustard on white bread... makes a tasty sandwich.

Here you go. No link but I think you get the point Mr. “buy American”. Good grief man. Make it a challenge next time you want to try and defend your domestic policy there. 
 

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14 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Link please.  To a domestic 2020/2021 competitor to the Venue.

Sweet baloney and American cheese with yellow mustard on white bread... makes a tasty sandwich.

There's another.

https://www.ford.com/suvs-crossovers/ecosport/?gnav=header-all-vehicles

And another..

https://www.jeep.com/renegade.html

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Trailblazer - South Korea
EcoSport - India, on a European platform
Renegade - Italy, on a European platform

In fact, there isn't a single subcompact crossover built in the U.S. by any manufacturer.  The closest you can get is the CX-30 (edit: and HR-V) which are built in Mexico.

The smallest crossovers built in the U.S. are the CR-V/RDX and Escape/Corsair.

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Trailblazer - South Korea
EcoSport - India, on a European platform
Renegade - Italy, on a European platform

In fact, there isn't a single subcompact crossover built in the U.S. by any manufacturer.  The closest you can get is the CX-30 (edit: and HR-V) which are built in Mexico.

The smallest crossovers built in the U.S. are the CR-V/RDX and Escape/Corsair.

He didn’t state domestic made though. He stated a domestic competitor that sells a model that competes with the Venue. The Trailblazer, sold by domestic company GM/Chevrolet, is the most direct competitor from a domestic manufacturer. At least the money stays in America, another past gripe by certain people with selective memories. The Venue is a foreign car from start to finish so how does that fit his past “buy American” narrative. That is the core point here.

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2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

He didn’t state domestic made though. He stated a domestic competitor that sells a model that competes with the Venue. The Trailblazer, sold by domestic company GM/Chevrolet, is the most direct competitor from a domestic manufacturer. At least the money stays in America, another past gripe by certain people with selective memories. The Venue is a foreign car from start to finish so how does that fit his past “buy American” narrative. That is the core point here.

Trailblazer (bare bones $19,995, only available in white and basically vaporware on availability to the public) Ecosport ($21,240 with a 1.0L 3) and Renegade ($23,870 if you get white, the only no extra cost color) are also real-world priced WAY higher than a Venue SE iVT, with MSRP of $19,725 with freight... before incentives.  I triple dog dare you to find a Trailblazer L anywhere but in a fleet or as a rental. Plus Hyundai throws in free maintenance.

So no, they are not apples to apples comparable.  Try again.  Or not.

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7 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Trailblazer ($19,995, only available in white and basically vaporware on availability to the public) Ecosport ($21,240 with a 1.0L 3) and Renegade ($23,870 if you get white, the only no extra cost color) are also real-world priced WAY higher than a Venue SE iVT, with MSRP of $19,725 with freight... before incentives.  I triple dog dare you to find a Trailblazer L anywhere but in a fleet or as a rental. Plus Hyundai throws in free maintenance.

So no, they are not apples to apples comparable.  Try again.  Or not.

Hey SMK, I mean Blu, nice bar moving. You said nothing of price and your assessment of the TB can easily be applied to the Venue, ie good luck finding those base models. Again though, the TB is competition for the Venue and is sold by a domestic company here. Those were the two rules YOU set up. Not base price. Not what can be found in the “real world”. You were wrong, end of story. 

 

The TB also has more power and more cargo room but I guess pointing that out is just salt in a open wound at this point. 

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We've had plenty of Venue SE where I work, in various colors.  I stand by my assertion that Trailblazer L, available only in white, is persona non grata when it comes to availability.

If you had the power to infer, you'd know that price is of paramount concern.  None of the "competitors" you list in base trim are ever put on dealer lots... they are price leaders for ad purposes only, where Hyundai makes the base car as accessible as the uplevel trims.

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3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

most direct

BUT NOT DIRECT

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7 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

We've had plenty of Venue SE where I work, in various colors.  I stand by my assertion that Trailblazer L, available only in white, is persona non grata when it comes to availability.

If you had the power to infer, you'd know that price is of paramount concern.  None of the "competitors" you list in base trim are ever put on dealer lots... they are price leaders for ad purposes only, where Hyundai makes the base car as accessible as the uplevel trims.

Not that this part matters (only what I posted at the bottom here), but so damn what? The Hyundai dealership nearest me has ONE base model Venue and it is cheap looking on every front. You talk about apples to oranges? The TB, while priced higher, looks better in every trim level (as opposed to the base model Venue I saw with its wheel covers, no wonder its “cheaper”). Like I said though, none of what you just pointed out matters because of the following below.

 

For the last time, I quote,

   22 hours ago,  ocnblu said: 

Link please.  To a domestic 2020/2021 competitor to the Venue.

2 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

BUT NOT DIRECT

Yes it is, whether you want to admit it or not. Your sorry attempt at bar moving does not change this fact. Go ahead though. Go ahead and get one of the cheap ones here. 

 

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I think I’d pay a little more for one that doesn’t look so “cheap”.

 

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*yawn*

I said MSRP BEFORE INCENTIVES.

Vaporware Trailblazer L has wheelcovers.

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On 9/14/2020 at 7:28 PM, ocnblu said:

there is no domestic alternative.

 

Although you dont have to defend your decision. Its YOUR mom's money that counts. 

The thing is...like everything else you say in these forums, its bupkis.  

There is domestic alternatives.  You dont have to buy them. Your money.  

But then there is the other shytty thing you do, you give your fellow Americans grief for exercising those very same phoquing freedoms YOU want to enjoy.

Although @Drew Dowdell  wants us to not post things personal, its hard when YOU exercise YOUR freedoms because YOU make it personal.

@ykX  told me to act my age when I post...Drew erased this posts, because it truly got ridiculous.

And here were are 24 hours later, and the same shyt happens again with another poster. 

Common denominator:  @ocnblu

 

I wrote in the now erased post that Drew cleaned up that some of us should consider what we want in these forums.

Well...seeing that most of us are in our late 40s, and a good chunk of us are in our 50s...right Blu? 

Well...Ill take my words and @ykX  message to heart.   I dont need to act my age, as he says, but I do need to spend my time with more mature folk.  Its sad really when my teenaged workers are more mature than you @ocnblu.   

Ive come to the conclusion that you prefer to troll rather than have real discussions.  Ive done this rodeo once before over at Motor Trend forums once upon  a time ago.  There was this guy called Wings.  He posted here. You strangely remind me of him...

Well...I wont let the door kick me in the a$$ on the way out.  For reals this time.  

 

 

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This is the result on cars.com for a Trailblazer L, "ALL MILES" from my zipcode.

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15 hours ago, ocnblu said:

We've had plenty of Venue SE where I work, in various colors.  I stand by my assertion that Trailblazer L, available only in white, is persona non grata when it comes to availability.

If you had the power to infer, you'd know that price is of paramount concern.  None of the "competitors" you list in base trim are ever put on dealer lots... they are price leaders for ad purposes only, where Hyundai makes the base car as accessible as the uplevel trims.

Interesting as I cannot find any Venue SE cheap bottom line auto's, but I do find plenty of mid range and up, so your in the 24K and up price range.

I also did not find any TB L but found plenty of TB LS starting in the 21K price range.

It would still appear that both the TB and Venue compete head to head.

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https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=36723428&mkId=20064&page=1&perPage=50&rd=99999&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&sort=relevance&stkTypId=28880&trId=24929&zc=17603

410 results with the same criteria used to search for Trailblazer L.

Save for the vapor, loss leader Trailblazer L that no one will be able to actually buy in quantity, the Trailblazer and Kona are way more closely matched in size and price than the Chevy is to the Venue.  The Venue occupies a space a tick below the Trailblazer in size and price and tops out in the $23k range, where the Kona and Trailblazer each have top trims in the $31k range. 

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Well, I was going to say that I liked the K5 better....the Sonata is just too odd looking to me......

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Saw a K5 at the local dealer over the weekend, I also like it better than the Sonata overall.  The front end of the Sonata reminds me of a bottom dwelling catfish, but the rest of the car looks fine, imho.  The K5 is not saddled with any excessively bizarre elements.  Both have very nice interiors.

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On 9/10/2020 at 6:41 PM, balthazar said:

Just saw Nashville hotel bookings are off by 46%. That means parking there is easier by the same amount. 😉

Good, I am going there next month to walk some civil war battlefields. It will be easier for me to get a room and get into palces to eat. Lovely!

3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Saw a K5 at the local dealer over the weekend, I also like it better than the Sonata overall.  The front end of the Sonata reminds me of a bottom dwelling catfish, but the rest of the car looks fine, imho.  The K5 is not saddled with any excessively bizarre elements.  Both have very nice interiors.

Will agree with you on interior quality, but both sedans would rate rather low for me for a number of factors if I were buying a new car. One being depreciation, Hyundai Kia products seem to depreciate like a rock. 

9 hours ago, ocnblu said:

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I do like the Hyundai better than the Chevy, but better options exist than either IMHO. 

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13 hours ago, ocnblu said:

*yawn*

I said MSRP BEFORE INCENTIVES.

Vaporware Trailblazer L has wheelcovers.

*yawn* yourself hypocrite. Again, refer to your very first statement and admit that you were wrong. There is competition but you don’t want your mommy to pay slightly more for more power and more room. That’s really all you have to say instead of dancing around your mistake and making up endless excuses for it. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got to go put an American flag on a Toyota Tundra. Hope that’s okay with you.

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Looking at this car again, outside still Meh in my book, interior is nice for the class of car it competes in. For those that want a car, this should serve them well.

I do wonder where the auto market will be by 2025 and 2030. I wonder how many actual cars will still be around compared to trucks, SUV, CUV and some sort of car hybrid, mix of car with CUV.

Interesting times we live in for sure.

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4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I believe it started right around here... 

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Exactly.  I said something positive about the Venue, which was largely off topic and could have been passed over, but someone had to go there.  So the comment on 9/14/20 at 9:37 a.m. is what started the descent.  A challenge like that deserves an answer.

So my on topic comment is this:  Everyone is going crazy, overstyling their sedans to try to grab a dwindling customer base.  It is still worth it to develop sedans, but the base of buyers is shrinking by the day, so every sedan has to "stand out", and crazy styling (in the age of oppressive regulations) is the popular way to do so.

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2 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Exactly.  I said something positive about the Venue, which was largely off topic and could have been passed over, but someone had to go there.  So the comment on 9/14/20 at 9:37 a.m. is what started the descent.  A challenge like that deserves an answer.

So my on topic comment is this:  Everyone is going crazy, overstyling their sedans to try to grab a dwindling customer base.  It is still worth it to develop sedans, but the base of buyers is shrinking by the day, so every sedan has to "stand out", and crazy styling (in the age of oppressive regulations) is the popular way to do so.

No Oppressive Regulations, auto companies have been able to step up to making cleaner running auto's.

Over styling seems to be the new norm. We will probably see more style return as we go to EV's where they do not pollute into the air. Future is bright for auto's both ICE and EV and companies will find a way to give the public what they desire while stepping up to clean regulation to ensure we are not breathing toxic emission. 

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11 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Emissions has nothing to do with styling, tho.

Proliferation of tiny turbo 4 cylinder engines, further mechanical homogenization of product across OEM boundaries, mechanical individuality is going away, so styling has become a bigger differentiator.

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Some of you just need to relax and have fun on here. It's a car blog not everybody is going to agree on everything all the time. There are a couple of you on here who find the need to berate others because they don't state something that you agree with or don't agree with what you state on here...you know who you are. We've all most likely been a part of it and it's really unnecessary. Go take out your anger on something else. I think @Drew Dowdell and others would agree. Take a couple of DEEP breaths and think about it before you go off.

 Cheers! 🍻 

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Looking at the front end of this car has reminded me of one thing that I have come to dislike about all of them, the lowered airdam plastic thing that scraps or gets ripped off by the cement wheel stops in parking lots.

@ocnblu made his truck look a 1000 times better when he took off that over bearing piece of plastic. I noticed regardless of who the OEM is, they have all given a big buck tooth look on the black plastic look in the front to push air around the auto rather than underneath it.

I get that it helps with fuel economy, but man does it suck in the looks department.

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20 minutes ago, David said:

Looking at the front end of this car has reminded me of one thing that I have come to dislike about all of them, the lowered airdam plastic thing that scraps or gets ripped off by the cement wheel stops in parking lots.

@ocnblu made his truck look a 1000 times better when he took off that over bearing piece of plastic. I noticed regardless of who the OEM is, they have all given a big buck tooth look on the black plastic look in the front to push air around the auto rather than underneath it.

I get that it helps with fuel economy, but man does it suck in the looks department.

An airdam that probably only saves 0.25 mpg. Took the one off of my '17 Colorado Z71 that I had right away, it does look MUCH better and gives it a lot better front-end ground clearance. It has approx. 15 or 16 freakin' screws in it that screw in from the top down so it's kind of a b!tch to get your hands and arms up in there from a creeper on the floor, but it pays off in the end. 

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1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

An airdam that probably only saves 0.25 mpg. Took the one off of my '17 Colorado Z71 that I had right away, it does look MUCH better and gives it a lot better front-end ground clearance. It has approx. 15 or 16 freakin' screws in it that screw in from the top down so it's kind of a b!tch to get your hands and arms up in there from a creeper on the floor, but it pays off in the end. 

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Looks much better!

 

 

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Actually I like the Sonata's steering wheel, it's different and "retro modern".  I see the new Tucson has a similar steering wheel design.  The new Tucson looks cool overall, imho.

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Trailblazer is well done and NICE inside.  Shame the Equinox isn't as interesting inside, or outside for that matter.

Never makes sense to get an L or LS chevy.  Wait for discounts and get an LT, this applies for just about any Chevy model.  You will hardly pay a scosche more and those will be the ones actually on lots.  By the dozens.

I wouldn't think about getting anything besides the 1.3 and 9 speed in this rig.  As such, its still slow, that will be its achilles heel.  It should have been the 1.5 + 9 speed or even a 1.6.

Chevy really nailed the market with this apart from the weak engine.  5 years from now I don't think anyone will have a clue what a Hyundai Venue is, much less spot it in a parking lot anywhere no matter how long they look.

 

Where's our 2.0 "SS" Trailblazer?  or 2.7 :)

 

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Saw an orange LS AWD at one dealer, and two gray LT at another dealer yesterday.  Had to keep moving so the buzzards didn't land on me, maybe I'll mosey out again today and spend some time studying.

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I just saw one of these Hyundai Sonata's on the road. It was coming towards me down a main thoroughfare and honestly from a couple of blocks away it looked like a car that had just been in an accident. I didn't know what it was until it was across the intersection from me. The strange front-end looks all droopy like it was parked too close to a structure fire and it melted the grille and headlights, and the way they ran the LED light piping up the hood looks really out of place, just plain ugly in person. I thought to myself man they must have gotten a screamin' deal because they definitely didn't buy it for the looks 🤣

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5 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

I just saw one of these Hyundai Sonata's on the road. It was coming towards me down a main thoroughfare and honestly from a couple of blocks away it looked like a car that had just been in an accident. I didn't know what it was until it was across the intersection from me. The strange front-end looks all droopy like it was parked too close to a structure fire and it melted the grille and headlights, and the way they ran the LED light piping up the hood looks really out of place, just plain ugly in person. I thought to myself man they must have gotten a screamin' deal because they definitely didn't buy it for the looks 🤣

Maybe this was the Clown Edition! :lol:

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The new K5 looks better, IMO....they should have kept the Optima name, K5 is such an uninspired name for a midsize sedan.

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15 minutes ago, David said:

Maybe this was the Clown Edition! :lol:

All in the same! :D

8 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

...but a WONDERFUL name for a 4X4!

Yep! Love me a K5 Blazer!

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