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29 minutes ago, David said:

Valid points, but I do think as people see more EV options, drive them and depending on where you live, I see the V8 being enthusiast more than anything in about 15 years.

EV's are a hoot to drive, in fact mine used to still make me smile every time I mashed the pedal with that sudden rush of torque and the G forces that push you back in the seat that really made it feel like a roller coaster ride even after having it for 3 years, but it's just such a quiet really strange sensation not hearing a thundering LS V8 under the hood with that much pull off the line.  Nothing can replace that awesome burbling idle or near redline sound of the SBC V8 or a Ferrari V12, not even a digital engine sound fed inside through the speakers can emulate it. 

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A Corvette SUV is a horrible idea, they shouldn't do it. However I think GM will do it.   The "Corvette" name still means something because it hasn't been watered down or trashed.  If GM wants to

A gm move.  A spiral downward.  That is the new reality.  It's like a childhood stolen.

Yes, a performance electric SUV would fit the Corvette family nicely!

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42 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

I am speaking on the U.S.A. where live with cheap gasoline (at least until the current Admins. dire energy regulations jack prices up again). Europe has their own problems like $5/gal. fuel, that's the main reason their EV sales are through the roof there.

EV's do have the low end torque and get off the line quickly, but ICE cars the Chevrolet Corvette C8 500 hp 6.2L V8 is also very quick at 2.95 sec. 0-60 mph and still gets 27 mpg hwy.

EV's main downfalls are up front cost and excess weight from the battery packs, Tesla's with 300+ mi. range are hogs at 5k to 6k lb. curb weight for most of their models.

Car companies design cars (and powertrains) for world use though, some of these car companies are operating in over 100 countries, so they have to take into account a global view.  Granted, they might be able to sell a V8 model of something in the USA where gas is cheap, and the same car with a turbo 4 in China where these is displacement tax.  

The Corvette is fast, but a Model S Performance can do 0-60 in 2.4 seconds and get 104 mpg-equivalent.  And it is a full size sedan, and there is a higher performance model coming later this year.  The V8 or even V12 can't win a performance argument anymore.  You can argue V8's are relatively cheap, and have a good performance per dollar attribute, that is the biggest thing V8's have going for them while EV's are still expensive.

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11 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Car companies design cars (and powertrains) for world use though, some of these car companies are operating in over 100 countries, so they have to take into account a global view.  Granted, they might be able to sell a V8 model of something in the USA where gas is cheap, and the same car with a turbo 4 in China where these is displacement tax.  

The Corvette is fast, but a Model S Performance can do 0-60 in 2.4 seconds and get 104 mpg-equivalent.  And it is a full size sedan, and there is a higher performance model coming later this year.  The V8 or even V12 can't win a performance argument anymore.  You can argue V8's are relatively cheap, and have a good performance per dollar attribute, that is the biggest thing V8's have going for them while EV's are still expensive.

The C8 Corvette will have limited availability outside of the U.S., I believe AUS with a right hand drive model coming and parts of EMEIA because it's so sought after. It will definitely have different powertrain layouts overseas as it will here as well with the Z06 possibly having a Hybrid drivetrain option and Zora being a 1,000 hp Hybrid-Hypercar. What I'm saying is GM understands that one reason people buy a Corvette is for the sound of the engine and exhaust, just like your AMG models.  

It's never going to take away from the fact that the Model S is more of a hog at 5,000 lbs. than even the porky Dodge Challenger Hellcat at 4,300 lbs. You talk about the Model S Performance version, but everybody knows it's not a track car in any way and it will never corner like the 3,400 lb. C8 Corvette. Performance version for Tesla just means more weight with dual and now triple motors and more battery packs to keep a palatable range with the extra motors.

 I've sat in the Model S and Model 3 and I'm just not impressed, materials are cheap and the fit and finish are horrid for $60-$140k cars. Their QC suffers in order to get units out the door. They are constantly behind and I believe still lose money on every car, which sucks. We need them to be a competitive U.S. company and stick around as competition is a good thing. I really think Cadillac BEV's are going to show Tesla a thing or two about fit and finish in the next few years as they roll out.

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

I'm hearing the same thing, that they're still backlogged with 2020 base C8 orders. 18 mo. wait if you ordered one today. Thanks Ronavirus you b@stard...

 

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9 hours ago, USA-1 said:

 

I'm hearing the same thing, that they're still backlogged with 2020 base C8 orders. 18 mo. wait if you ordered one today. Thanks Ronavirus you b@stard...

 

 

That tidbit of news is bitter sweet.  Backlogged with regular Stingray orders just shows how popular the C8 is and will continue to be.  

But...the Z06 halo car is eagerly awaited by most enthusiasts (even enthusiasts that are not Corvette people) JUST to see what the car can do.  

What is mental with the C8 is that with ONLY (less than) 500 horsepower, the performance times are those of vehicles that have 50-60-70% MORE power. Electric or gasoline...

The track performances of the regular Z51 Stingray is so close to sports cars that are dedicated track cars.  

Patience is a virtue as they say. 

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14 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Right, Ford could do lots of things, they will need an EV cheaper than the Mach-E that can start under $30k at some point.  And they can do mid-size and larger SUVs that aren't performance oriented.

Literally EVERYBODY needs one of these. 

13 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

The only thing that lets the Mach E down is the charging system...but THAT is more on the push/pull politics of the USofA regarding EVs rather than the Mach E being an inferior product to the Tesla. 

I assume you're talking infrastructure here because they both can charge at a rate of 150kw.

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7 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

 

I assume you're talking infrastructure here because they both can charge at a rate of 150kw.

yes

What fault is it of the engineering of FoMoCo and its Mach E if the infrastructure is not well kept?

It becomes a PROBLEM for EVs if the infrastructure sucks, but its NOT an inherent  EV problem.  

I found out though, that EV haterz will use ANYTHING to detract the use of EVs ANY which way they can to SLUR EVs...  

PS: Tesla was smart to build its OWN infrastructure though as to NOT have ANY 3rd party phoque ups wrecking the image of EVs... such as this...

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20 hours ago, USA-1 said:

The C8 Corvette will have limited availability outside of the U.S., I believe AUS with a right hand drive model coming and parts of EMEIA because it's so sought after. It will definitely have different powertrain layouts overseas as it will here as well with the Z06 possibly having a Hybrid drivetrain option and Zora being a 1,000 hp Hybrid-Hypercar. What I'm saying is GM understands that one reason people buy a Corvette is for the sound of the engine and exhaust, just like your AMG models.  

It's never going to take away from the fact that the Model S is more of a hog at 5,000 lbs. than even the porky Dodge Challenger Hellcat at 4,300 lbs. You talk about the Model S Performance version, but everybody knows it's not a track car in any way and it will never corner like the 3,400 lb. C8 Corvette. Performance version for Tesla just means more weight with dual and now triple motors and more battery packs to keep a palatable range with the extra motors.

 I've sat in the Model S and Model 3 and I'm just not impressed, materials are cheap and the fit and finish are horrid for $60-$140k cars. Their QC suffers in order to get units out the door. They are constantly behind and I believe still lose money on every car, which sucks. We need them to be a competitive U.S. company and stick around as competition is a good thing. I really think Cadillac BEV's are going to show Tesla a thing or two about fit and finish in the next few years as they roll out.

I'm hearing the same thing, that they're still backlogged with 2020 base C8 orders. 18 mo. wait if you ordered one today. Thanks Ronavirus you b@stard...

 

Exhaust note is part of the appeal, but even AMG knows their longer term future is electric and their short term future is hybrids.  

 

I expect the Model S Plaid will be faster around the Nurburgring than the C8, the Panamera and AMG GT already are faster than the C8, and the Model S Plaid should be faster than a Panamera.  Now the Z06 may beat if, it they get enough grip, power and aero working the right way and that would be a more fair comparison as far as price goes.

 

Agreed that Tesla has quality issues, but they keep selling.  And I expect Tesla quality will improve over time, just as their capacity improves over time.  Someone may teach Tesla about quality, but I don't know if Cadillac is going to be that brand.  I suspect Cadillac trying to take on Tesla will be more of a struggle than when Cadillac tried to take on the Germans the past 15 years and that basically went no where.  

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11 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

That tidbit of news is bitter sweet.  Backlogged with regular Stingray orders just shows how popular the C8 is and will continue to be.  

But...the Z06 halo car is eagerly awaited by most enthusiasts (even enthusiasts that are not Corvette people) JUST to see what the car can do.  

What is mental with the C8 is that with ONLY (less than) 500 horsepower, the performance times are those of vehicles that have 50-60-70% MORE power. Electric or gasoline...

The track performances of the regular Z51 Stingray is so close to sports cars that are dedicated track cars.  

Patience is a virtue as they say. 

There are tons of sports cars, super cars, hyper cars, track cars, etc on sale now with loads of capability.  This is a narrow niche of buyers, yet there are probably dozens of options.  I feel like there is more choice than there is buyer pool, as 2 door cars are like 1% of sales.  

Also the Z51 Stingray has a 7:30 Nurburgring time, there are several cars running in the 6:40's, so the higher power Vettes have a lot of ground to make up.  Enthusiasts have plenty to pick from, they don't have to wait for a Z06 or Zora, there is fast stuff for sale right now.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Exhaust note is part of the appeal, but even AMG knows their longer term future is electric and their short term future is hybrids.  

 

I expect the Model S Plaid will be faster around the Nurburgring than the C8, the Panamera and AMG GT already are faster than the C8, and the Model S Plaid should be faster than a Panamera.  Now the Z06 may beat if, it they get enough grip, power and aero working the right way and that would be a more fair comparison as far as price goes.

 

Agreed that Tesla has quality issues, but they keep selling.  And I expect Tesla quality will improve over time, just as their capacity improves over time.  Someone may teach Tesla about quality, but I don't know if Cadillac is going to be that brand.  I suspect Cadillac trying to take on Tesla will be more of a struggle than when Cadillac tried to take on the Germans the past 15 years and that basically went no where.  

I highly doubt that the HEAVY Model S Plaid will be faster than the C8 Chevy Corvette around "The Ring" and it definitely won't be faster than the upcoming C8 Z06.

 

Cadillac's have far better fit and finish than Tesla, I've owned two Cadillac's and was looking at the Model S in 2014 at the same time, no comparison inside or out. 

Cadillac has always taken on the German's and have bettered them in many ways. If you have not driven a Cadillac sedan in the last 13 years, and I suspect that you haven't, then your point is irrelevant.

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16 minutes ago, balthazar said:

2019 Tesla Model X P100D Ludicrious Mode : 1/4 mile in 11.3 secs, plus 1 hour to fully charge & warm batteries. Total 1/4-mile time : 216,011.3 seconds.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

I highly doubt that the HEAVY Model S Plaid will be faster than the C8 Chevy Corvette around "The Ring" and it definitely won't be faster than the upcoming C8 Z06.

 

Cadillac's have far better fit and finish than Tesla, I've owned two Cadillac's and was looking at the Model S in 2014 at the same time, no comparison inside or out. 

Cadillac has always taken on the German's and have bettered them in many ways. If you have not driven a Cadillac sedan in the last 13 years, and I suspect that you haven't, then your point is irrelevant.

Unofficial times of times of the Model S Plaid at 7:13, so if that holds it will be faster than the C8 Z51 by a lot, and on par with the C7 Z06.  I'd imagine a C8 Z06 with enough track focused upgrades will beat 7:13.  But is Cadillac going to make a sedan that can do a track times of a C8 Z06 to top where Tesla is at?   Tesla is throwing down some pretty big performance numbers, and that is with sedans and SUVs what other car company is going to make SUVs (the most popular body style) that has performance of top level sports cars.  Really only AMG is making an consistent attempt across the line,  VW group with the Urus and RS Q8 and BMW has X3 and X5 M's but no X7 M.

Cadillac I think is selling less cars now than they were in 2005, so that attempt to take on the Germans was a bust.  I have driven the first 2 generation CTS's and the final generation STS but I haven't driven a Cadillac is about 8 years since I bought my car.  I've sat in them at auto shows, the interiors are sub par and Cadillac gives me no reason to even waste time test driving one. 

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2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Unofficial times of times of the Model S Plaid at 7:13, so if that holds it will be faster than the C8 Z51 by a lot, and on par with the C7 Z06.  I'd imagine a C8 Z06 with enough track focused upgrades will beat 7:13.  But is Cadillac going to make a sedan that can do a track times of a C8 Z06 to top where Tesla is at?   Tesla is throwing down some pretty big performance numbers, and that is with sedans and SUVs what other car company is going to make SUVs (the most popular body style) that has performance of top level sports cars.  Really only AMG is making an consistent attempt across the line,  VW group with the Urus and RS Q8 and BMW has X3 and X5 M's but no X7 M.

Cadillac I think is selling less cars now than they were in 2005, so that attempt to take on the Germans was a bust.  I have driven the first 2 generation CTS's and the final generation STS but I haven't driven a Cadillac is about 8 years since I bought my car.  I've sat in them at auto shows, the interiors are sub par and Cadillac gives me no reason to even waste time test driving one. 

So if you're talking top performance model of Model S with Plaid lets talk about the top C7 with the ZR1 with a Ring time of 7:04 so the C8 Z06 will meet or beat that and Zora will crush that time being a 1,000 hp AWD Hybrid Hyper-car. And yes there is word of a Cadillac Halo car that could be based on the C8 or the BEV skateboard architecture. Tesla does have pretty good performance numbers and I'm not taking that away from them like your close minded comments toward GM, like usual. Cadillac Lyriq BEV SUV is coming and it will have a performance version as well.

Fewer vehicles sold does not mean less quality or less competitive vehicles, it's usually marketing issues, which Cadillac is known for and it's not a bust because they're still here and very comparable and competitive to the German and Japanese rivals in many ways. 2005 was before the new gen cars, 2008 was the first year of the gen. 2 CTS which was the start of the increase in quality and fit and finish and GM also started offering the high performance V Series that were now actually competitive. It was an increase in quality and fit and finish from the Gen 2 to Gen 3 CTS and it's even better with the CT4 and CT5. The interiors are not sub par in the Gen. 3 CTS or the new CT4 and CT5's. CT5-V Blackwing is going to be on a whole nother level of performance on the track and on the road. 

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16 hours ago, USA-1 said:

So if you're talking top performance model of Model S with Plaid lets talk about the top C7 with the ZR1 with a Ring time of 7:04 so the C8 Z06 will meet or beat that and Zora will crush that time being a 1,000 hp AWD Hybrid Hyper-car. And yes there is word of a Cadillac Halo car that could be based on the C8 or the BEV skateboard architecture. Tesla does have pretty good performance numbers and I'm not taking that away from them like your close minded comments toward GM, like usual. Cadillac Lyriq BEV SUV is coming and it will have a performance version as well.

Fewer vehicles sold does not mean less quality or less competitive vehicles, it's usually marketing issues, which Cadillac is known for and it's not a bust because they're still here and very comparable and competitive to the German and Japanese rivals in many ways. 2005 was before the new gen cars, 2008 was the first year of the gen. 2 CTS which was the start of the increase in quality and fit and finish and GM also started offering the high performance V Series that were now actually competitive. It was an increase in quality and fit and finish from the Gen 2 to Gen 3 CTS and it's even better with the CT4 and CT5. The interiors are not sub par in the Gen. 3 CTS or the new CT4 and CT5's. CT5-V Blackwing is going to be on a whole nother level of performance on the track and on the road. 

But the Model S is a sedan, my point is Tesla's CT5 sized sedan can put up performance times like a Corvette on a track, any sedan running sub 7:30 on the Nurburgring is insane because the Tesla, Panamera and AMG GT 4-door are the only 3 that can do it.  And Tesla has a sports car coming but we can't compare it and C8 Zora because we don't know what they'll actually be.

The Corvette (C8 and C7 Z06, ZR1) Nurburgring times are just in a sea of other super cars, as I said there are several in the 6:40's on sale now and dozens in the low 7's with the Corvette.  There might be 25 coupes running sub 7:30 Nurburgring, but 2-door cars are 1% of global volume.  

SUV is where the volume is, the people that can make performance SUVs and performance sedan to some degree are going to get the sales because that is where the bulk of the market is.  As far as performance minded products go, whoever is first to make a crossover with RAV4 size, performance, quality and price that is electric will sell them like hot cakes.

Cadillac competing with Germans is a false myth, all those V-series cars were often slower than the German counterpart, and Cadillac had 2-3 V-series cars at a time at most, where were the V-series SUVs?  Where was the V12 sedan to compete with the 760Li and S65?   And that turned out to be a bad direction for Cadillac  as a brand to go anyway, because Cadillac buyers want something like the Escalade, a big, comfy seat, comfy ride vehicle for cruising down highways, not a small interior corner carver like a 3-series.  So Cadillac lost customers because they built a German knock off instead of building a better version of "American luxury."  I actually think Cadillac is beyond saving, baring a massive amount of investment (say $100 billion of over 10 years)  and GM won't invest that much in them.

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• The V-Series was a fantastic move for Cadillac- it cemented the brand in with the M and AMG cars, for as long as they're all produced. V-Series earned tremendous respect from people who never, ever looked at Cadillac before.
• A V-Series is as much of a "german knock-off" as a 7-series or s-class (or any of their respective SUVs) is an 'American knock-off'.
• Nurburgring track times are irrelevant other than 3 handfuls of enthusiast arguing on the internet. Track times don't sell a single vehicle that wouldn't be bought otherwise.

• Just to clarify, my comment was regarding worrying about a road course lap time, not that Cadillac wouldn't do it.

21 hours ago, balthazar said:

How many hyper car owners take their car to a actual road course?
Probably less that 1/10th of 1%.

 

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

The Corvette (C8 and C7 Z06, ZR1) Nurburgring times are just in a sea of other super cars, as I said there are several in the 6:40's on sale now and dozens in the low 7's with the Corvette.  There might be 25 coupes running sub 7:30 Nurburgring, but 2-door cars are 1% of global volume. 

Cadillac competing with Germans is a false myth, all those V-series cars were often slower than the German counterpart, and Cadillac had 2-3 V-series cars at a time at most, where were the V-series SUVs? 

I actually think Cadillac is beyond saving, baring a massive amount of investment (say $100 billion of over 10 years)  and GM won't invest that much in them.

Just wait for the C8 Z06 and Zora then get back to us on Nurburgring times. Like balthy stated above the Nurburgring is all about bragging rights and that's about it.

 

So you're admitting that Cadillac's are true competitors to the Germans? Got it. V-Series are legitimately very good cars in chassis and performance metrics and there will be an Escalade V model coming with the new 2021 SUV and the Lyriq BEV CUV is said to have a V Series model once they launch as well.  

 

Cadillac is not beyond saving and they aren't bleeding nearly as bad as MB is right now. MB has dumped model after model because they finally figured out they had far too many in the lineup and quality was taking a back seat to mass manufacturing. MB quality has suffered quite a bit in the last 10 years, I know this because family friends have 2 of them a 2012 and 2016 and it's been pretty bad, in the shop a lot for electrical gremlins and check engine lights. Only MB car that hasn't suffered as much in the quality dept. is the S Class, but the price is also over $200k for a loaded model now.  

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19 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Just wait for the C8 Z06 and Zora then get back to us on Nurburgring times. Like balthy stated above the Nurburgring is all about bragging rights and that's about it.

 

So you're admitting that Cadillac's are true competitors to the Germans? Got it. V-Series are legitimately very good cars in chassis and performance metrics and there will be an Escalade V model coming with the new 2021 SUV and the Lyriq BEV CUV is said to have a V Series model once they launch as well.  

 

Cadillac is not beyond saving and they aren't bleeding nearly as bad as MB is right now. MB has dumped model after model because they finally figured out they had far too many in the lineup and quality was taking a back seat to mass manufacturing. MB quality has suffered quite a bit in the last 10 years, I know this because family friends have 2 of them a 2012 and 2016 and it's been pretty bad, in the shop a lot for electrical gremlins and check engine lights. Only MB car that hasn't suffered as much in the quality dept. is the S Class, but the price is also over $200k for a loaded model now.  

The Z06 will probably run like 7:04 (assuming 10 seconds better than the C7) and we'll see what the Zora does.  Mercedes holds the Nurburgring record right now, they'll hold it for sure once the AMG One set a lap time this year.  The Corvette is going to beat them, and I know Cadillac will never build a car faster than a Corvette.

Cadillac has 2 V-series cars, which right now are both under 400 hp, and the "Blackwings" are limited to like 250 each of the CT4 and CT5 or something, so they must not expect much demand.  CTS-V was a fast car, but the M5 and E63 were faster, and Mercedes has cars faster than the E63.  Mercedes has over 15 cars with 500 hp.  Cadillac isn't committed to performance because only 2 of their 6 models have performance variants and they are the 2 slowest sellers they have.  Why doesn't Cadillac make a coupe, a convertible, a performance SUV?  They don't even have a full line of cars, yet alone a full line of performance cars.

There should have been an Escalade-V 10 years ago, and they should make a V-series of every electric car they sell.  Also Cadillac interiors need to get better, they dropped the price by about $10k going from CTS to CT5, that helps align the interior with the price you pay.  But Cadillac has often fell on their face with interiors on the more expensive cars, even going back the the XLR.

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Because Cadillac is not carrying an entire corporation on it's back, like the hatchback ~ cargo van brand mercedes. They don't WANT or NEED an "entire" line of 84 models.

Cadillac now has the best chassis dynamics, suspensions & steering. Things no one EVER thought possible 20 years ago; the corner stone on what BMW built everything one at one time. That's amazing progress by a brand you erroneously keep thinking is 'failing' all the time.

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53 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Z06 will probably run like 7:04 (assuming 10 seconds better than the C7) and we'll see what the Zora does.  Mercedes holds the Nurburgring record right now, they'll hold it for sure once the AMG One set a lap time this year.  The Corvette is going to beat them, and I know Cadillac will never build a car faster than a Corvette.

Cadillac has 2 V-series cars, which right now are both under 400 hp, and the "Blackwings" are limited to like 250 each of the CT4 and CT5 or something, so they must not expect much demand.  CTS-V was a fast car, but the M5 and E63 were faster, and Mercedes has cars faster than the E63.  Mercedes has over 15 cars with 500 hp.  Cadillac isn't committed to performance because only 2 of their 6 models have performance variants and they are the 2 slowest sellers they have.  Why doesn't Cadillac make a coupe, a convertible, a performance SUV?  They don't even have a full line of cars, yet alone a full line of performance cars.

There should have been an Escalade-V 10 years ago, and they should make a V-series of every electric car they sell.  Also Cadillac interiors need to get better, they dropped the price by about $10k going from CTS to CT5, that helps align the interior with the price you pay.  But Cadillac has often fell on their face with interiors on the more expensive cars, even going back the the XLR.

You sat in an entirely different car at the auto show than the Cadillac's I have driven. The outstanding interior in the CT6 Premium Luxury, Platinum, and Blackwing display what Cadillac can do and still does with the new Escalade, XT4 - XT6, CT4 and CT5 interiors. Go sit in and maybe even drive a new 2021 Escalade, your head will explode from the amazement.

GM has a full line of cars, trucks and SUV's with premium high-end models. Cadillac doesn't need to or want to have a full line. GM has Cadillac positioned to be a premium boutique style division like they've been in the past.

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16 hours ago, balthazar said:

Because Cadillac is not carrying an entire corporation on it's back, like the hatchback ~ cargo van brand mercedes. They don't WANT or NEED an "entire" line of 84 models.

Cadillac now has the best chassis dynamics, suspensions & steering. Things no one EVER thought possible 20 years ago; the corner stone on what BMW built everything one at one time. That's amazing progress by a brand you erroneously keep thinking is 'failing' all the time.

They don’t need to carry the corporation but a luxury brand with no coupe, no convertible?  They have 4 SUVs that could be enough but BMW has 7 with an 8th on the way.  And where is the performance SUV?  The top powertrain in an XT4 is 235 hp, you can get more than that in a Ford Escape.  
 

I am not saying Cadillac needs 15 models but how about 7-8?  How about V-series on everything or a “Brougham” trim for a higher trim interior like how GMC has Denali and Buick has Avenir.  And if Cadillac is only going to do 6 models they should be outstanding, 4 of the 6 are basically re-imagined Chevy SUVs with Chevrolet powertrains.

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15 hours ago, USA-1 said:

You sat in an entirely different car at the auto show than the Cadillac's I have driven. The outstanding interior in the CT6 Premium Luxury, Platinum, and Blackwing display what Cadillac can do and still does with the new Escalade, XT4 - XT6, CT4 and CT5 interiors. Go sit in and maybe even drive a new 2021 Escalade, your head will explode from the amazement.

GM has a full line of cars, trucks and SUV's with premium high-end models. Cadillac doesn't need to or want to have a full line. GM has Cadillac positioned to be a premium boutique style division like they've been in the past.

CT5 interior is fine for a $36k start price, no complaints there, CTS interior wasn’t up to par for a $46k start price.  The XT6 interior is about the same as a Kia Telluride, the XT6 is overpriced for what it is.  
 

Problem is Cadillac isn’t a premium boutique brand, they are the American Acura.  They aren’t the American Bentley as they should aim to be.

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• Coupes are dead, followed closely by convertibles. I’d like to see both, but you’d just complain they were ‘slow-selling’.
• You want “7-8” models and Cadillac has 6, plus you’ve likely read on the upcoming ones (we don’t know if they are additions or replacements). For an exclusive low-volume brand, they’re right where you want them to be.
• Cadillac had multiple trims levels for every model. Research.
• For the umpteenth time, GM engines are produced by GM Powertrain, not the Divisions. Since 1982 or so.

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