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Mazda and the Rotary Engine has been a "will they or will they not" since production of the RX-8 ended many moons ago. Recently, the Japanese automaker announced the engine would make a return as a range extender for the new MX-30 electric crossover. Those plans have been put on the back burner.

"We are still considering using the rotary engine as a range extender, but the timing of its introduction is undecided," said Mazda spokesperson Masahiro Sakata to Automotive News.

But the Japanese media tells a different story. AN says Japanese newspapers Nikkei and Nikkan Jidosha Shimbun report the rotary engine plans have been canned because it would require a larger battery, which in turn, increases the price. However, another Japanese outlet, Response says those reports are mistaken.

Currently, the MX-30 is on sale in Japan and Europe as an electric only. Mazda will be offering the MX-30 for California later this fall. 

Many reviewers in Europe say the biggest weak point of the MX-30 is the range - currently rated at 124 miles on the very optimistic WLTP test cycle. Numbers for the U.S. aren't out, but we wouldn't be surprised if its under 100 miles. Using the rotary engine as a generator (see Chevrolet Volt) would have increased the range.

We do know Mazda has 10 hybrids and three electric vehicles in the pipeline between 2022 to 2025. Whether or not they will be using a rotary engine is unclear.

Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required), Autoblog


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I have always thought the VOLT was an awesome idea, just in the wrong package as they should have made a VOLT equal Equinox version.

Mazda MX30 is WEAK in everything I have read as a pure electric, from the motor choice to the small battery pack. A range extender version would be awesome, but the ROTORY is the WRONG ENGINE! It had it's time, but it is an old in efficient engine that needs to be left in the history books. Mazda would do better with their SkyActive small engine as a generator to create electricity. It would also be simpler to maintain and lower cost I believe over retooling to build the rotary engines where were oil pigs and emission problems big time.

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Saw two of the CX-30's today on the road sold by Doug's Mazda here in Lynnwood Washington. One was white and the other was their jewel red metallic or what ever color it is called, pretty. 

Over all not impressed as the one thing that stood out was their Komodo Dragon style with the extreme windshield rake that means medium to tall people smack their head getting in and out. My wife pointed out the extreme blind spot in the back that she did not like. Had to explain for roll over protection pretty much all new CUV/SUVs have that now.

Then on our 40 min road trip to drop off some things at family, she became ultra focused on the rear pillar blind spot and wow talk about hating on auto's! :lol:

We'll I have to say that Mazda will probably sell a few of the BEV CX-30 even with the negative reviews coming out of Europe and will continue to sell a few CX-30 ICE here but not impressed at all seeing them on the road. The proportions are just all wrong on this weird size auto. 

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15 hours ago, ccap41 said:

If you'll smack your head in almost anything, a sub compact should be expected. You'll probably only fit comfortably in a G Wagen as there's 8ft of head room in them but, they're relatively narrow. 

I can easily get into just about any full size SUV, but even a few years back when I took the family to the Big Island and due to a mess on the auto rental side they put me in a Mazda CX9. That was the worst SUV ever for me and my wife who is only 5'8" tall as she like me smacked her head getting in and out due to the extreme slope of the windshield.

Tesla also does this stupid extreme slope and you have to bend your head in crazy ways to get in and out of their auto's. Worst design ever just for stupid air flow to get a smidge better range out of the batter pack.

Agree I can fit just fine in a G Wagon but then they are narrow. My wife and I hit elbows in that SUV.

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Bumping elbows...

1 hour ago, David said:

Agree I can fit just fine in a G Wagon but then they are narrow. My wife and I hit elbows in that SUV.

Common David...knock it off!!!

Stop the nonsense. Please. 

When one is driving, one is not flailing his elbows around, banging on the drums like a chimpanzee (money for nothing) while the passenger is reciprocating said primate actions at the same time for elbows to be colliding at an unmeasurable rate for the G Wagen to be intolerable no matter what height said primates are.    (sorry for calling you and your wife a primate/chimpanzee but a point has to be made...)  

And about the CX9...

*sigh*

Your wife, even at 5ft8 inches tall, she aint you.   The CX9 is perfectly fine for lesser hooomans than yourself to fit in comfortably. Technically, at your size and girth, you are not the average hooooman.  But your wife is average size. She is not supersized...   She might be a tad taller than the average female, ESPECIALLY the average Asian female, but at 5ft8, she is well within the average height of a human.  The CX9 is a big enough vehicle that even if the rake of the windshield has more incline  than your average boxier CUV, that it shouldnt be a problem...

I know you will say that it is...and we will have to agree to disagree, but Im prepared to repeat to you what Balthy said:

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Always good to be aware of one's surroundings. I'm 5'8" and I've gotten into my friend's CX-5 and never smacked my head multiple times... and that's 20" shorter overall than the -9. 🤔

 

 

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7 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Bumping elbows...

Common David...knock it off!!!

Stop the nonsense. Please. 

When one is driving, one is not flailing his elbows around, banging on the drums like a chimpanzee (money for nothing) while the passenger is reciprocating said primate actions at the same time for elbows to be colliding at an unmeasurable rate for the G Wagen to be intolerable no matter what height said primates are.    (sorry for calling you and your wife a primate/chimpanzee but a point has to be made...)  

And about the CX9...

*sigh*

Your wife, even at 5ft8 inches tall, she aint you.   The CX9 is perfectly fine for lesser hooomans than yourself to fit in comfortably. Technically, at your size and girth, you are not the average hooooman.  But your wife is average size. She is not supersized...   She might be a tad taller than the average female, ESPECIALLY the average Asian female, but at 5ft8, she is well within the average height of a human.  The CX9 is a big enough vehicle that even if the rake of the windshield has more incline  than your average boxier CUV, that it shouldnt be a problem...

I know you will say that it is...and we will have to agree to disagree, but Im prepared to repeat to you what Balthy said:

 

 

Yes we will agree to disagree here my friend. Mazda has cut so many corners to survive and the CX9 had a flexible seat adjustment for the driver side, but the front passenger side was a hard fixed seat that had my knees into the dash. Sat there once and never again, always did the driving on that vacation. Mazda seems to always cut corners that just are not worth it.

Yes I am the oversized Chimp in this relationship, but then my wife does not like bumping elbows with me as I 1 hand drive, so we rub. Call it what you will but after 3 decades of marriage always in full size SUVs where you have your own space, call me spoiled, but I just cannot see having to fold up to fit in any size auto by anyone.

Yes, knowing ones surroundings is important especially if you own the auto, but on vacation for a few weeks, when one never has to think about bending and twisting ones head to get into and out of an auto, the rack SUCKS and SHOULD NOT have to be that way for ALL HOOOOMANs! :P 

9 hours ago, balthazar said:

Always good to be aware of one's surroundings. I'm 5'8" and I've gotten into my friend's CX-5 and never smacked my head multiple times... and that's 20" shorter overall than the -9. 🤔

Maybe your the type of hooooman to quote @oldshurst442 that has a short body, longer legs so you naturally do not come anywhere close to hitting, but I have seen way too many tall people smack themselves getting into auto's with extreme rack windshields.

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I firmly believe that a CX9 does NOT have a fixed front passenger seat, because it does not. 

CX9 Pass Seat.JPG

47 minutes ago, David said:

but I have seen way too many tall people smack themselves getting into auto's with extreme rack windshields.

Out here recording yourself so you can watch it over and over because you're completely full of ish here. 

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10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I firmly believe that a CX9 does NOT have a fixed front passenger seat, because it does not. 

CX9 Pass Seat.JPG

Out here recording yourself so you can watch it over and over because you're completely full of ish here. 

Not full of shit, looked up and verified that 2016 the year I took the family to Kona that the CX9 did have a manual front seat for the passenger and a fully electric multi-directional seat for the driver. Today you can get both front seats with the multi-directional electric seat. 

Even in your screen grab, it indicates a manual set seat that just slides front to back. Without the electric option, it is a fixed set seat with minimal adjustment.

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1 hour ago, David said:

Maybe your the type of hooooman to quote @oldshurst442 that has a short body, longer legs so you naturally do not come anywhere close to hitting, but I have seen way too many tall people smack themselves getting into auto's with extreme rack windshields.

I’m not a mutant. Sorry, but anyone who smacks their head on a car’s A-pillar/roof MULTIPLE times in the same day, simply is being careless.

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2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

The Volt did the same(didn't name it a "range extender" but it was a damn good product. It was priced too high(because they had to) but it was still a great overall product. 

Agree, GM should have moved forward with putting the VOLT 2.0 power train into a CUV. They would have been printing money big time.

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      Jaguar Land Rover said that it would keep all three of its U.K. plans open, but the Castle Bromwich plant(home to Jaguar XE, XF, and F-Type production) has a unclear future.
      “First we will continue production of our existing nameplates built there to the end of their lifecycle. Then we will explore opportunities to refurbish the plant, which could benefit from the consolidation of businesses scattered across the Midlands,” said Bolloré.
      Jaguar Land Rover is also planning on moving their executive team and other major management positions to a centralized location in Gaydon, and work more closely with their parent company, Tata Group.
      Source: Jaguar Land Rover
      Jaguar Land Rover reimagines the future of modern luxury by design
      New global strategy – Reimagine – announced for the British company under the leadership of Chief Executive Officer, Thierry Bolloré A sustainability-rich reimagination of modern luxury, unique customer experiences, and positive societal impact Start of journey to become a net zero carbon business by 2039 Reimagination of Jaguar as an all-electric luxury brand from 2025 to ‘realise its unique potential’ In the next five years, Land Rover will welcome six pure electric variants as it continues to be the world leader of luxury SUVs All Jaguar and Land Rover nameplates to be available in pure electric form by end of the decade; first all-electric Land Rover model in 2024 Clean-hydrogen fuel-cell power being developed in preparation for future demand Streamlined structure to deliver greater agility and promote an efficiency of focus Global manufacturing and assembly footprint to be retained, rightsized, repurposed and reorganised Collaborations and knowledge-sharing with industry leaders, in particular from within the wider Tata Group will allow the company to explore potential synergies on clean energy, connected services, data and software development leadership On a path towards double-digit EBIT margin and positive cash flow, with an ambition to achieve positive cash net-of-debt by 2025 with a value creation approach delivering quality and profit-over-volume Gaydon, UK - Monday 15th February 2021:
      A vision of modern luxury by design
      Jaguar Land Rover will reimagine the future of modern luxury by design through its two distinct, British brands.
      Set against a canvas of true sustainability, Jaguar Land Rover will become a more agile creator of the world’s most desirable luxury vehicles and services for the most discerning of customers. A strategy that is designed to create a new benchmark in environmental, societal and community impact for a luxury business.
      “Jaguar Land Rover is unique in the global automotive industry. Designers of peerless models, an unrivalled understanding of the future luxury needs of its customers, emotionally rich brand equity, a spirit of Britishness and unrivalled access to leading global players in technology and sustainability within the wider Tata Group.
      “We are harnessing those ingredients today to reimagine the business, the two brands and the customer experience of tomorrow. The Reimagine strategy allows us to enhance and celebrate that uniqueness like never before. Together, we can design an even more sustainable and positive impact on the world around us,” said Mr Bolloré.
      Two distinct modern luxury brands with sustainability at the centre
      At the heart of its Reimagine plan will be the electrification of both Land Rover and Jaguar brands on separate architectures with two clear, unique personalities.
      In a Land Rover, vehicle and driver are united by adventure. By breaking new ground, confronting new challenges and not being content with the expected, Land Rover truly helps people to go ‘Above and Beyond’. In the next five years, Land Rover will welcome six pure electric variants as it continues to be the world leader of luxury SUVs through its three families of Range Rover, Discovery and Defender. The first all-electric variant will arrive in 2024.
      By the middle of the decade, Jaguar will have undergone a renaissance to emerge as a pure electric luxury brand with a dramatically beautiful new portfolio of emotionally engaging designs and pioneering next-generation technologies. Jaguar will exist to make life extraordinary by creating dramatically beautiful automotive experiences that leave its customers feeling unique and rewarded. Although the nameplate may be retained, the planned Jaguar XJ replacement will not form part of the line-up, as the brand looks to realise its unique potential.
      Jaguar and Land Rover will offer pure electric power, nameplate by nameplate, by 2030. By this time, in addition to 100% of Jaguar sales, it is anticipated that around 60% of Land Rovers sold will be equipped with zero tailpipe powertrains.
      Jaguar Land Rover’s aim is to achieve net zero carbon emissions across its supply chain, products and operations by 2039. As part of this ambition, the company is also preparing for the expected adoption of clean fuel-cell power in line with a maturing of the hydrogen economy. Development is already underway with prototypes arriving on UK roads within the next 12 months as part of the long-term investment programme.
      Sustainability that delivers a new benchmark in environmental and societal impact for the luxury sector is fundamental to the success of Reimagine. A new centralised team will be empowered to build on and accelerate pioneering innovations in materiality, engineering, manufacturing, services and circular economy investments. 
      Annual commitments of circa £2.5bn will include investments in electrification technologies and the development of connected services to enhance the journey and experiences of customers, alongside data-centric technologies that will further improve their ownership ecosystem.
      Proven services like the flexible PIVOTAL subscription model (which has grown 750% during the fiscal year), born out of Jaguar Land Rover’s incubator and investor arm, InMotion, will now be rolled out to other markets following a successful launch in the UK.
      Quality and efficiency
      Reimagine will see Jaguar Land Rover establish new benchmark standards in quality and efficiency for the luxury sector by rightsizing, repurposing and reorganising.
      Central to that journey, and in order to establish different personalities for the two brands, is the new architecture strategy. 
      Land Rover will use the forthcoming flex Modular Longitudinal Architecture (MLA). It will deliver electrified internal combustion engines (ICE) and full electric variants as the company evolves its product line-up in the future. In addition, Land Rover will also use pure electric biased Electric Modular Architecture (EMA) which will also support advanced electrified ICE.
      Future Jaguar models will be built exclusively on a pure electric architecture.
      Reimagine is designed to deliver simplification too. By consolidating the number of platforms and models being produced per plant, the company will be able to establish new benchmark standards in efficient scale and quality for the luxury sector. Such an approach will help rationalise sourcing and accelerate investments in local circular economy supply chains.
      From a core manufacturing perspective that means Jaguar Land Rover will retain its plant and assembly facilities in the home UK market and around the world. As well as being the manufacturer of the MLA architecture, Solihull, West Midlands will also be the home to the future advanced Jaguar pure electric platform. 
      Key partners including Trade Unions, retailers and those in the supply chain will continue to play a vital part of the extended new Jaguar Land Rover ecosystem and its journey towards reimagining the future of modern luxury.
      ReFocus to a more agile operation
      As evidenced with the latest financial results, Jaguar Land Rover has a strong foundation on which to build a sustainable and resilient business for its customers and their communities, partners, employees, shareholders and the environment.
      Driving this transformation is the recently launched Refocus programme, by consolidating existing initiatives like Charge+ with new cross-functional activities.
      Reimagine will see Jaguar Land Rover right-size, repurpose and reorganise into a more agile operation. The creation of a flatter structure is designed to empower employees to create and deliver at speed and with clear purpose.
      To accelerate this efficiency of focus, the company will substantially reduce and rationalise its non-manufacturing infrastructure in the UK. Gaydon will become the symbol of this effort – the ‘reactor’ of the business - with the Executive Team and other management functions moving into the one location to aid frictionless cooperation and agile decision-making.  
      Leapfrog to leadership with Tata Group
      In order to realise its vision of modern luxury mobility with confidence, the company will curate closer collaboration and knowledge-sharing with Tata Group companies to enhance sustainability and reduce emissions as well as sharing best practice in next-generation technology, data and software development leadership. Jaguar Land Rover has been a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tata Motors, in which Tata Sons is the largest shareholder, since 2008.
      “We have so many ingredients from within. It is a unique opportunity,” said Mr Bolloré. “Others have to rely solely on external partnerships and compromise, but we have frictionless access that will allow us to lean forward with confidence and at speed.”
      Bringing all these ingredients together, Jaguar Land Rover is on a path towards double-digit EBIT margins and positive cash flow, with an ambition to achieve positive cash net-of-debt by 2025. 
      Ultimately, Jaguar Land Rover aims to be one of the most profitable luxury manufacturers in the world.
      Mr N Chandrasekaran, Chairman of Tata Sons, Tata Motors and Jaguar Land Rover Automotive plc commented: “The Reimagine strategy takes Jaguar Land Rover on a significant path of acceleration in harmony with the vision and sustainability priorities of the wider Tata Group. Together, we will help Jaguar realise its potential, reinforce Land Rover’s timeless appeal and collectively become a symbol of a truly responsible business for its customers, society and the planet.”
      Mr Bolloré concluded: “As a human-centred company, we can, and will, move much faster and with clear purpose of not just reimagining modern luxury but defining it for two distinct brands. Brands that present emotionally unique designs, pieces of art if you like, but all with connected technologies and responsible materials that collectively set new standards in ownership. We are reimagining a new modern luxury by design.”
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