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It's all statistics.

Volume chasers are going to flood every segment, pushing for mainstream volume (toyoter, mercedes, etc). Other Companies are focusing more on future/profitable segments rather than mere volume.

It's not like the RAV4 is a compelling vehicle, people just buy them for some reason. Look at the corolla- absolutely bottom of the barrel, people keep buying it.

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12 hours ago, balthazar said:

It's all statistics.

Volume chasers are going to flood every segment, pushing for mainstream volume (toyoter, mercedes, etc). Other Companies are focusing more on future/profitable segments rather than mere volume.

It's not like the RAV4 is a compelling vehicle, people just buy them for some reason. Look at the corolla- absolutely bottom of the barrel, people keep buying it.

A-Effing-Men!

The RAV4 is the current lowest common denominator. It's not that it's a great car in any particular measure (thought the hybrid model does have excellent performance and efficiency, but is also quite expensive and dealers are marking it up).  They aren't very comfortable, they don't handle well.  The interior is meh. 

As low as the bar is, the CR-V is a much nicer and more comfortable vehicle all around, but it gets outsold by the Toyota. 

People are just buying refrigerators. 

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6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

A-Effing-Men!

The RAV4 is the current lowest common denominator. It's not that it's a great car in any particular measure (thought the hybrid model does have excellent performance and efficiency, but is also quite expensive and dealers are marking it up).  They aren't very comfortable, they don't handle well.  The interior is meh. 

As low as the bar is, the CR-V is a much nicer and more comfortable vehicle all around, but it gets outsold by the Toyota. 

People are just buying refrigerators. 

And yet the default is buy a Toyota.  Just like buy a Chevrolet 40 or 50 years ago was the default. SAD.

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Is this reality really sad though?  

That GM is no longer the go to OEM for mediocre vehicles anymore?

That Walmart type of consumers no longer shop for GM vehicles anymore?

That GM no longer produces mediocre products that Walmart type of consumers crave for?

Because 40-50 years ago, General Motors gave us some really bad stinkers that were engineered to the lowest common denominator meant for big volume.  And what did that do?  Ironically, it made lots lots of Americans mad to never touch an American car again which ironically, these very same pissed off Americans are buying mediocre shyte from Japan...

Guys, be freakin' happy that GM is building some quality cars again!   Engineering is top notch and so is build quality.  

What is sad in my opinion, is that some Americans are NOT buying and supporting GM that builds a waaaay better product than Toyota which is a very very lesser product than GM's. 

Now THAT is SAD. 

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3 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Is this reality really sad though?  

That GM is no longer the go to OEM for mediocre vehicles anymore?

That Walmart type of consumers no longer shop for GM vehicles anymore?

That GM no longer produces mediocre products that Walmart type of consumers crave for?

Because 40-50 years ago, General Motors gave us some really bad stinkers that were engineered to the lowest common denominator meant for big volume.  And what did that do?  Ironically, it made lots lots of Americans mad to never touch an American car again which ironically, these very same pissed off Americans are buying mediocre shyte from Japan...

Guys, be freakin' happy that GM is building some quality cars again!   Engineering is top notch and so is build quality.  

What is sad in my opinion, is that some Americans are NOT buying and supporting GM that builds a waaaay better product than Toyota which is a very very lesser product than GM's. 

Now THAT is SAD. 

Add to this the certain group of folks that pound the drum about buy Made in America and yet they themselves buy Asian or European. Interesting that in this time of that drum pounding, key high visible individuals are double standards.

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On 1/15/2022 at 8:24 PM, oldshurst442 said:

Is this reality really sad though?  

That GM is no longer the go to OEM for mediocre vehicles anymore?

That Walmart type of consumers no longer shop for GM vehicles anymore?

That GM no longer produces mediocre products that Walmart type of consumers crave for?

Because 40-50 years ago, General Motors gave us some really bad stinkers that were engineered to the lowest common denominator meant for big volume.  And what did that do?  Ironically, it made lots lots of Americans mad to never touch an American car again which ironically, these very same pissed off Americans are buying mediocre shyte from Japan...

Guys, be freakin' happy that GM is building some quality cars again!   Engineering is top notch and so is build quality.  

What is sad in my opinion, is that some Americans are NOT buying and supporting GM that builds a waaaay better product than Toyota which is a very very lesser product than GM's. 

Now THAT is SAD. 

The reality is SAD because a lot of buyers are settling for Toyota when they are no longer the leader in quality.  Simply put, Toyota is living off a reputation that is no longer true.

What is even sadder is that fewer people are buying GM vehicles than ever.  While mediocrity at GM has diminished, sales numbers do not reflect the new reality.  To a lot of people, when in doubt, buy the Toyota.  SAD.

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14 hours ago, riviera74 said:

The reality is SAD because a lot of buyers are settling for Toyota when they are no longer the leader in quality.  Simply put, Toyota is living off a reputation that is no longer true.

What is even sadder is that fewer people are buying GM vehicles than ever.  While mediocrity at GM has diminished, sales numbers do not reflect the new reality.  To a lot of people, when in doubt, buy the Toyota.  SAD.

Lucky quality has gone up and with it ATP that GM is profitable and pushing the future of Auto tech. Very excited by the Snapdragon Ride Platform.
Let the lemmings have the Toyota crap, happy to be at an American Auto company.

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