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  2. Tesla Unveils Their Electric Semi Truck

    The pricing has been announced: $150,000 for a 300 mile range truck and $180,000 for a 500 mile range truck. That is quite good because I looked up a Freightliner Cascadia and they sell for $140-155,000 for most models, unless you get a stripped down base model for $120,000. So a slight premium for the Tesla, but it should make that up in operating costs rather easily.
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  5. Roadster 2.0 is a 1-off concept car. I'm not sure of the value of using it's claimed figures...
  6. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    • If profit were tied only to volume, Tesla is DOOMED. Remember- early on Tesla bragged the company would be profitable at 300 cars annually. • Airborne passenger drones?? And you think it's hard to convince consumers to buy EVs?? Wait- you were saying EVs would replace ICEs in 10 years, now drones are going to kill off EVs AND ICEs in 10 years? Convolution honed to a razor sharpness. • SolarCity is under Tesla now- the CORPORATION as a whole makes no money. That includes SolarCity (I didn't look up the others tho).
  7. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    GM and Ford make profit because the annual sales rate is 17 million cars, there are forecasts that post 2030 the annual sales rate could be 6 million cars, that is well below the 2009 levels than drove GM to bankruptcy. Airborne drones will replace cars at some point, might be 10 years, might be 30, but at some point car sales will go into decline and never rebound. The value in Tesla is the charging network, Solar City, solar roof, batteries, autonomous tech, etc all of which can be applied to a flying drone just as easily as it is to a car.
  8. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    Yeah.. I feel the same.. even the name, if I think about it, really may not be worth that much in terms of EV buyers if GM brings out the right Boltech type products.
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    Who Knew but this web site tracks all things auto's in China and the number one selling auto is the Buick Excelle GT http://chinaautoweb.com/2017/08/best-selling-new-cars-in-july-2017/
  10. Interesting comparison between the 2008 Tesla Roadster 1.0 and the 2017 Tesla Roadster 2.0 Tesla Roadster 2008: 248 hp 270 Nm 53 kWh 244 miles (393 km) 0 — 60 mph: 3.9 sec Top speed: 125 mph Tesla Roadster 2020: 1,500 hp 10,000 Nm 200 kWh 620 miles (1000 km) 0 — 60 mph: 1.9 sec Top speed +250 mph
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  12. To those that say we are still very dirty, here is the latest chart showing our North America Energy use and from what sources, very interesting: This is our GCD emissions and is pretty interesting to see how much we have increased output that is affecting the planet: Clearly we can change and not just in auto use but elsewhere to improve our living and the footprint we leave on this planet.
  13. Mazda News: Mazda Updates the 6 With A Turbo Engine Option

    Good point of consideration. If MB, BMW, GM, Ford and Toyota deliver on their EV / Hybrid auto's, by 2020 Mazda could be in a world of hurt with nothing to compete against it and their so called Skyactive technology will not amount to much. I really hope they have an EV backup plan.
  14. Mazda News: Mazda Updates the 6 With A Turbo Engine Option

    i'd say it all hinges (staying independent) on the skyactiv-x attempt being put in the other 2 engines(assuming the 1.5 would even be relevant) and if it's put in the turbo'd engine... along with how fast other hybrid/electric vehicles take over the market. their collaboration with 'yota for hybrid tech in mazdas will also be a big variable, hopefully to show up in '20 models. also, in terms of the video, i wonder how much the uls gasoline standard is a part of the soot reduction.
  15. Mazda News: Mazda Updates the 6 With A Turbo Engine Option

    No doubt a very cool video showing their version of this, but I still have to say So What! Mazda is not really innovating and growing as much as just refining their current product I still do not think they will remain independent in 5-10 years.
  16. Mazda News: Mazda Updates the 6 With A Turbo Engine Option

    video for the NA engine
  17. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    So Toyota was an early investor to a tune of $50 Million back in 2010 just before the IPO of Tesla. They have quietly sold off all their stock in June for $538 million as they are now a true competitor with their own dedicated EV division. Early on the Toyota Rav4 EV was a Tesla Powertrain with a Toyota body. According to a CNN report that partnership crashed at the end of 2014 due to a culture clash of Japan wanting to go mass market with cheap EV's and Tesla CEO Musk saying they can be profitable as a high end auto company and not wanting to allow toyota to keep using their tech resulting in a wind down and eventual sell off of Tesla Stock. CNN Story In 2013 Forbes did a formal review of Tesla and said the company was way overvalued and with their focus by CEO Musk selling S class cars for $80-$110,000 dollars they were bleeding money as each S class car was costing $1.1 million to make and this was in 2013. Forbes said at the time if Tesla could sell 40,000 S class cars for 2013, that would still leave a manufacturing cost of $550,000 per car. Musk then came out and said that their Gen 3 technology would allow them to create a less luxury car priced at $35,000 and be more profitable than any other car company. The global community grabbed it and pushed the stock value up even more. Forbes does imply that Musk is an outstanding Marketing person, but a terrible communicator of the real facts. Forbes shows all the math in their story and states for 2013 Tesla stock trades at 117 times it's P/E ratio. In 2014 banks were stating that Tesla would be about 88 times valuation. Tesla then took to massive leasing of the Tesla S car which inflates Tesla revenue and understates their debt balance sheet. Even with Tax and ZEV credits where Tesla makes a hefty amount of about half a billion a year, the company is on a Utopian goal that is not sustainable. End result is Forbes is just as baffled by the ability to stay alive bleeding money. They clearly state it is a CULT Stock where reason is thrown out the window. Forbes Story Business Insider wrote this story in July 2017 and titled it: "It might be time for Tesla to get out of the car business!" and they would be right in stating it I believe. End result with all the profitable cash heavy auto companies, Tesla is about to be dumped into the deep end where they cannot swim with their current massive debt load even if they do start to deliver the Tesla 3 in quantity. They blame it on a couple of things, 1) A victim of Musk's vision. 2) A business for the Nutty. 3) Hard to change course as Tesla does a Joint Venture with a Chinese partner to build auto's in China and the clash that is about to happen. End result, not a financially exciting business to get into, but a financially depressing black hole that is sucking up money faster than most can understand. All the stories clearly highlight the impact Tesla has had on the global auto business. One thing that I have realized in looking at this is that Tesla as a sell off company is really only valued between $5 to $10 billion at most and that still will not cover all the debt they have incurred. Not a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN Tesla will have to go bankrupt or be sold I believe.
  18. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    Tesla cannot be sold for it's assets & stock valuation- the company isn't worth 100 cents/dollar. I doubt it's worth 50/100. It doesn't make any money, never has. Negative equity can never be sold at face value. Just the mere fact that if another company bought the stock speculator's darling, the valuation would drop significantly & immediately. GM made nearly 10 billion profit last year- it's not going anywhere. Volume & health-wise - Tesla is Sears with empty shelves & GM is Amazon.
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  20. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    GM doesn’t have the money to buy Tesla. No automaker does. Toyota maybe has enough cash with a stock swap to make it work. Toyota has $50 billion in cash, with a $188 billion value, they are the only one that could buy, and then Musk can refuse to sell too, which he would. I think Musk will raise the money to keep Tesla going, he will find more investors because there is a chance that Tesla is Amazon and GM, Ford and Toyota are JC Penny, KMart and Macy’s just waiting to fall.
  21. 2019 Lincoln MKC Clips Its Wings: Comments

    Like the looks both exterior and interior. Clearly copied some of the vibe from Land Rover as I see that in the over all body of this CUV. Exterior, I am so happy they clipped the retro Lincoln grill and finally gave it a 21st century look to move forward on. My only real concern is FORD's poor quality record as I wonder about just how rusty this auto will be coming off the assembly line. I wish them all the best and truly hope this can be a fresh start for them as a real luxury competitor and not just a tarted up FORD. If we see a FORD equal to this with the blue oval on it, game over for them ever really being in the luxury game. Wonder how long before they bring out alternative powertrain options?
  22. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    Soooooo, while we can debate how long the ability for a company to live in the red and be a darling of wall street, as I posted above. Musk is in no real position to bail Tesla out either since most of his wealth is tied up in stock of the two companies he owns. Yes I would like to see them survive and especially as an American car company. With that said, does GM need to buy them? Not really sure about that as I think the next two auto's they bring out will be based on the BOLT platform and everything else will be on version 2.0 of that said platform. I suspect that 2.0 platform will be a true EV or PHEV / Hybrid platform to further reduce costs for a global platform. Based on GMs presentation to the financial community, they have 7 SUVs, 5 CUVs, 2 cars and 2 vans for EV/PHEV/Hybrid. GM will surpass Tesla by 2020 I believe.
  23. Happy Gobbel Gobbel Day to all C&G Members and Guests! Wishing everyone a great relaxing day no matter who your with or where you are. I hope everyone can have some enjoyable relaxing down time around the world!
  24. Chevrolet News:2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Arrives With 755 Horsepower

    Zero reason to establish a whole new topic.. so: DID CHEVY JUST PUT OUT A 755HP ZR1 Corvette that gets the same fuel economy as the 650HP Z06? Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 755 @ 6300 rpm (SAE certified) Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm): 715 @ 4400 rpm (SAE certified) Manual Automatic City 15 MPG 13 MPG Highway 22 MPG 23 MPG
  25. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    We can argue about the situation to we are blue in the face.. fact is Tesla is not, has not been profitable.. and doesn't seem to be getting any richer in the near future, especially considering margins. WTF.. WTF!!! does anyone think that a company selling 63K Global $70-100K cars and is still broke, in the red.. no where near BLACK.. is gonna instantly become profitable selling a $35-45K car using essentially the same tech, same materials.. just smaller? And don't get it twisted.. I have long said that even the Model S fails at being luxury in interior quality and materials... more on par with +$35K Chevy than any current Cadillac. TESLA NEED TO BE BOUGHT AND ENGULFED IN A LARGER OEM. That OEM gets the name.. which is ironically richly established.. and hopefully some of Musk's vision.. cause he is definitely a visionary. Can't take that from him. I would like GM to get just so they could have the Charging network.. while at the same time I wonder if they need any of the other tech because from what I've heard 2018-19 might just be a year where GM's EV tech surpasses anything that Tesla has out or coming.
  26. Tesla Has Been Burning Through $8,000 Per Minute

    I didn't realize this, and it's yet another little detail that raises a flag. "You can order a Model 3 online at the base price" but the reality is the above. What company makes a car available in (July) but 5 months later (half a model year) is only just selling to the general public? Don't forget- as the Model 3 ramp up drags on & on, the $7500 credit that enticed so many to order is continually nibbled away by the S & X (Company is @ 147K US sales thru Oct '17). Then the "$28K" Model 3 is a $42K car. Ouch.
  27. 2019 Lincoln MKC Clips Its Wings: Comments

    Looks good. Looks expensive. Looks more "old money" than the XT5, imo. Give me the 2.3 if I can't have the 3.7.
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