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Those use cases will necessitate the purchase of something with a long range, like 300+. But even still, two hours at 11.5kW would put 50 - 70 miles of range back in the car. You might need to make one 10-minute DCFC stop if you had a really busy day, but otherwise, you could make it.
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I can understand this, but then this is part of my daily life. With two kids with their own families and grandkids it is not uncommon for us to be out and about for the day, come home for a bit before heading out to help with the grandkids and their afterschool activities. Plus, with family that is living from both sides north and south of us, it would not be uncommon to drive 75 miles down south to deal with my wife's side of the family, see the nieces/nephews and then up north to my side to see folks and with both our parents in senior years with health issues, also moving back in forth. Course this is why Sun puts on about 15,000 miles a year on the SS. We all have different use cases.
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That's all I'm worried about. I'm not going to spend a sht ton more money having a 19.2kW charger installed for the 1 day every 3 years I empty the battery, get home for 2 hours, and have to again drive enough that I couldn't make it back home...
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I could see settling on three charger rates, but definitely not one. A Bolt or Kia EV4 type vehicle simply does not need 19kW home charging. It would be an excessive cost to retrofit a house and the number of buyers who actually use that rate would be pretty close to zero. That would be like insisting that the Corolla has to have a 6.2 liter. It's excessive and doesn't fit the use case. Now, if we settled into 7.5kW, 11.5kW, and 19.4kW as a standard, that would probably achieve what you are proposing while still giving cost flexibility. It would allow for entry-level EVs to get the lower cost / lower speed charger while allowing the larger vehicles or premium vehicles to have faster home charging. For example, the EV6 could have a lower cost 7.5kW charger while the Genesis GV60 on the same platform could get the 11.5kW charger because it is a premium brand and higher cost vehicle. Then any large EV with or near a 200kW battery could have the 19.4kW charger, but even then, unless it is a newly built house or a commercial fleet, it will still probably charge only at 11.5kW, as that's about the max that the vast majority of homes are wired to do. Unless you're driving an EV with a 200kW battery to 10% every day, an 11.5kW charger can "fill" an EV to 80% overnight with room to spare, so most people (including me), won't want the extra expense of spending extra money just to say my EV charged faster while I slept. Either way, it will be ready for me when I need to leave at 7 am.
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@ccap41 @Drew Dowdell Thank you both, this is the kind of dialogue I feel the Auto buyers need to be made aware of and the various use cases in understanding as I feel most DO NOT really understand this and give into the FEAR Mongering of News Stories. While I still feel that everyone should have the same charging rate capabilities, I also understand both your points. I do feel that this will change electrical across the WORLD over time due to the need of charging.
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Most houses aren't capable of 19.2kW charging anyway, and I'm not convinced it is necessary. @ccap41 kinda just proved it. He said that 70 miles of driving is more than their typical norm. Charging overnight at 1.2kW still got them back half of that overnight. As long as ccapp41 and his wife are diligent, they could probably continue on L1 charging indefinitely for around-town driving. Even the slowest of L2 chargers would be more than sufficient with nightly charging. This inexpensive L2 EV charger with 7.6 kW for $199 at Amazon would take the EQE from 10% to full in about 10 hours. I know that as car fans we always want the most power all the time, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. 7.6 kW is more than enough for average use since you'll only be charging to 80% daily anyway. The only time 19.2kW is really needed is if you're running a Lightning or Silverado EV , or something with a 200kW battery, in contractor duty, and draining the battery fully every day. When I get the Silverado EV, I'll probably get the Tesla Universal Wall Connector, which only does 11.5kW but will have both connectors built in. But since I don't drive long distances daily anymore, it won't be a big deal that it has a lower power output. The advantage for me is that if the EValanche is CCS and the R2 or Prologue is NACS, I'll have both adapters built in. Albert only drives about 20 miles round trip per day, so he can get away with charging once or twice a week and can even L1 charge if need be. Even at just a 48 amp circuit, I may have to figure out some things with my other appliances because even though I have 200 amp service, we'd be uncomfortably close to the max.
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I know what you mean but that's also A LOT of driving in one day. That's a pretty rare scenario to use nearly your entire battery then still need a considerable amount more in "a few hours" where 7.2/11 wouldn't suffice. Also, for 19.2kW charging, you need a dedicated 100 amp circuit. I'm not sure if many people have that available anyway. It'll certainly cost more than just a 50amp circuit. So, while it would be nice to be capable of that, I'm still not sure all that many will actually utilize that.
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So I posted this in my company Slack auto channel and am reposting it here to share my crazy Sunday with the Wife who is now considering retiring the SS for a new auto. Interesting, my SS that the wife drives has started to have gremlins. As such upon my return on Saturday from my work trip, she complained to me about not feeling she can rely on the auto. I asked her what she would like to do since I picked the SS for her and over all she loves the power, AWD of the 2008 Trailblazer SS AWD, but at approaching 300,000 miles, it is coming time to retire rather than put money into the auto. She responded that she would be open to an EV. So, Sunday we spent the day driving EVs to check them out. My wife's response to the following EVs we drove: BMW - Nice to drive, was fine with the interface, but the exterior was just ugly with the big kidney grill in the front and weird pinched rear end look. Still will consider. Mercedes - Interface was fine, driving was nice, liked the interior for the most part, but what were they thinking with the Jellybean shape? Hard pass. Cadillac - Nice to drive, exterior was far better than the Mercedes or BMW, Failure in that they do not support Android Auto / Apple carplay. As such not acceptable. Yes, there is the * that Lyriq has a limited support for Android Auto, no Apple Carplay and the sales rep did say that GM was moving away from it with their Android system that is voice controlled and easier than using your cell phone. Wife was not impressed with the limitations, wants full support of her Ultra S23 in the auto. Hyundai - Was not wowed with the style exterior, but interior loved it and roomy for me. Loved the full Android Auto/Apple Carplay support. A solid candidate to consider. Kia - Again the exterior was not bad, but not wowed by it either. Interior was nice and fit her well, but the tight bucket seats of the EV6 were super tight for me and she said it would not work for us due to my size as no one could sit behind me. EV9 was great, anyone can sit behind me and was very spacious for both of us. Liked the style much better exterior and interior was very nice to her. One to consider, only thing was the poor slow charging speed for L1/L2. Genesis - GV60, she liked exterior was fine, Interior was very nice. It fit us fine though no one could sit behind me. Interface was very easy to use. But she even asked them if there was a bigger version for the GV70 or 80 and they said not yet, it was coming. Ford - F150 Lighting she liked allot about it exterior and interior wise, just was hoping for a mid-size rather than full size vehicle so would think on the truck. Mach e she liked, we both fit comfortably and clearly anyone could sit behind me, as the lead developer who is 6'2" tall stated, the EV was designed to handle tall people. Major dislike was the salesperson who was very pushy and made comments that told my wife he was a male chauvinistic pig. He actually to me to man up as the wife would drive whatever I decided for her since I was the man. Big mistake, if we go with a Ford, it will be a different salesperson and might even be a different dealership. Rivian - Exterior and Interior were big wins for her, she loved everything about it and even the test drive was great. Sadly, Rivian is off the list as she asked the counselor about Android Auto/Apple Carplay and no support, no plan for support. FAILURE big time. Tesla - She wanted to look at the Y. We went in and over all the experience was good, but no one can sit behind me. The counselor went over the interface and then offered for us to take it for a drive. Wife asked if it supported Android Auto/Apple Carplay and the Answer was no, and then they said a major failure. Musk knows how to build a superior interface, and no one needs those old cell phone connections, only Bluetooth to use your phone. With the crazy way to start the EV and lack of cell phone support she passed on even test driving it. One thing my wife did tell me was that an all-software app interface is a failure point to her. She wants physical buttons for the basic stuff and then will be happy using the touch screen. Not sure what her choice will be, but she is going to think on this.
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Yes I get all that you said and most EVs have it set for 80 to 90% charging level unless your on a road trip and at a DC then you can choose to go 100%. Point I am making is that if all levels of ICE fuel at the same rate, why not have this for all EVs. Yes charging overnight would not be an issue, but if you had been out and about and did not charge the night before and got home with only 10% left and needed to go out in a few hours, having a fast L2 charger (19.2kW) versus the Bolt (7.2kW) levl 2 charger would get you juice into the battery pack fast so you can run out later. I also have to believe that if an OEM standardized on a top charging controller economy of scale would push down the cost and their whole product portfolio would benefit with all EVs having the maximum capable charging speed.
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The charger is L2 capable, i just don't have an outdoor 220v outlet. They give you two connectors with the charger. One is for your standard 110v plug and one is a 220v plug. I actually don't see any issue with 7.2Kw for at-home charging. I guess you may need more if you had a truck and actually drove 200+ miles a day and needed to fill a massive battery overnight. 11Kw is more than enough for something like this, IMO. If you completely drained the 96kWh battery, it would still be easily charged overnight in less than 9hrs at that rate. Plus, if you were actually trying to maintain your battery, you wouldn't be charging to 100% every time anyway so it would be even less time.
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Not sure. I think her vehicle is done, actually. It may be going away today.
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This is my feeling about this that Auto companies are shooting themselves in the foot in regards to EV charging. GM is a perfect example of this in that the Chevrolet line of EVs have the slowest L1/L2 charging controller and Cadillac has the fastest. The charging speeds start at a pathetic 7.2kW to 19.2kW. Yes when it comes to GAS Autos they all fill the same into the tank. As such, if an Auto company really wants to give the best experience possible and not have charging complaints, all their Autos from the lowest level to the highest should have the fastest possible. Mercedes is pathetic with only an 11kW onboard controller for charging their EVs at home compared to Porsche and Audi that are 19.2kW charging controllers. Mercedes FAILs here in that this is an EQE and as such should have the highest available charging controller. 19.2kW
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Interesting read, I think some over estimated the ease of an ICE to EV transition as Hertz never took the time to train and inform renters of the difference between EVs and ICE in driving and operating them. https://fortune.com/2024/03/15/ceo-steps-down-prices-following-purchase-teslas/
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David started following Crazy New Storage
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If your into tech, then this will be of interest to you. Seems Microsoft is working on crazy fast SSD storage and the leak of such storage shows just how fast and big it is in an NVMe M.2 format, 1TB, 2TB and 4TB size with Read/Write speeds of 2,400 mb/s / 1,800 mb/s which is rapid fast. Think of it this way, while like the reading states, it is probably designed for Microsofts own cloud use, it is backed by Dell Technologies and this could find it's way into laptops. A laptop that could have crazy storage as the Precision Dell Laptops have three NVMe slots, which would make it a 12TB storage for a laptop using three of the 4TB NVMe units. Newly discovered Microsoft Z1000 SSD baffles experts — no, world's most valuable company won't start selling SSDs anytime soon but it may well be tinkering with data center storage as it did with CPU | TechRadar
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Cool Read The Tesla Cybertruck Engineering Teardown Is Finally Happening (thedrive.com) Well worth the watch, interested in what others think. Another good watch.
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Ok auto friends, running from my Madrid to Frankfurt flight to catch my Frankfurt to Seattle flight I spotted this auto on display and have no idea the brand. Striking and good looking, was in a hurry as I had no time to stop due to passport control being so slow. What is the brand?
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While Ugly as hell and you and I agree on that, I will say I do like the Rhino color that has become very popular on many an OEMs product line. Rear Lights are nice and very visible. I like that the charging menu is very easy to understand and straight forward. Need that for my wife who is not a tech person. Sorry to hear about the G wagon, sucks when you have to get them repaired.
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Haha yeah, this is a pretty small town. I’m surprised they have one that’s not at a dealership already. The Walmart would be nice but I’d never use it, if I bought an EV. I’d already have a charger at home for waaaay cheaper.
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The Ecocharging is turned off. Yeah, I don’t think I could commit to an EV Until we built a garage and I could put a L2 outlet in there. Im just saying that L1 could work for us, if I really wanted to.
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See if turning off Eco Charging helps the time. That’s Mercedes being “smart” and charging at a slower rate because your grid isn’t green right now. If you bought one you’d want to put an L2 box in.
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Yeah, I juuuust plugged it in at 44% and this is what it’s reading. TUESDAY. 😂 it would honestly be do-able on a regular basis because most driving is short for us. We’d kill it over the weekend and multiple nights throughout the week we’d be full again.
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Yeah, the Charger is still the standard w/ the Ohio Highway Patrol as far as I can tell...here in suburbia it's a mix of Chargers, Explorers, Tahoes and still some Tauruses and Caprices to be seen around metro CLE.
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