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@smk4565 thinks that Cadillac has to offer a luxury Cruze to compete with the A-Class, but price it $4k cheaper. Instead Cadillac is offering a better handling and larger RWD car at the same price as the A-Class.

SAD but very true. Unfortunately, the perception of the car buyer has outdistanced the reality of car pricing for a long time.

Dear Mercedes-Benz, Please go back to the days where the number behind the letter meant something. Sincerely, Everybody

Exactly. What Cadillac needs to do is realize a huge thing that they missed since Wagoner and Co left RenCen... that they could offer Bentley levels of luxury.. but because they are AMERICAN.. in this age.. they will always be considered not as worth of higher costs over the Germans in base packages. In other words.. U can price a CT6 as high as a 7Series... but U must do so strategically and via options and packages. That base price tho.. that must come off like a value. AMERICANS are self loathing. I challenge even the German's staunchest defender to show me where a based on the CT4's specs thus far.. what makes a comparable 2020 3Series (the leader) a better car to justify a price jump.. other than marketing and longevity in the market place. Ironically.. as I've said many times.. in 2016 I spent $100K on my CTS-V and a friend spent $110K on their M5.. he was disturbed when we both pulled up at spots.. and people wanted to converse about my Cadillac.. take pics standing next to my Cadillac.. and paid no attention to his BMW. Often commenting.. "must be nice." "Is that the V?" "Very classy.. probably cost U a mint.." BMW M5.. nothin. Cadillac can pull this is off.. if only they stick to the place.. be consistent.. stop **cking changing names and strategy.. and continue to build. AND 4GODSAKE!!! Don't kill any cars.. add at least 4 more.. one above the 6, coupes for the 4 and 5, and a variant of the C8.

I find it strange that we are debating whether Mercedes Benz is a luxury nameplate or not. The whole luxury perception started in the 1970s when Mercedes Benz were exporting their cars into the USA in large numbers. In Germany, Mercedes Benz is more like Chevrolet rather than Cadillac. MB went with the luxury card because it meant higher profits from higher prices period, and that has carried them for the better part of 50 years. Now, why anyone would buy a Mercedes that is NOT a C-Class or an E-Class or an S-Class CAR is beyond me. The CUVs are another story.

Yes it can be both ways when Mercedes is putting out both ends of the spectrum. The A-Class/CLA is just a luxury Cruze… or Cobalt SS if you want to talk about horsepower.

Yet this kind of testing would allow us to learn on how to build denser battery packs and create more efficient controllers, motors and figure out how to use capacitors that are in the super category to achieve this maybe from regen into the super capacitor to help maintain the high speed.

A 500 mile range would be more compelling.

I would love to live that long!

Why would anyone settle for the 2.0T in a CT6 when you can get a 3.0TT or a 3.6 v6 instead? Other than that, get any CT6 you want, if you can afford it.

My Favorite will always be “take me home tonight”... ?

Got to blanket the all segments, they have a car for everyone. If you want a coupe, convertible, wagon, SUV, they have it. If you go to Cadillac and want a coupe, wagon or convertible, sorry; go to Lincoln in about 2 years and want anything other than an SUV and you'll be out of luck. A-class isn't even a money grab, they don't make much profit on those, the real money is made on S-classes and G-wagens. Really Mercedes is doing a public service by bringing Mercedes-Benz quality, technology and safety to more people. I don't see anyone knocking Chevy for not just selling Corvettes and Silverados and scrapping any car under $30k. They still have the Spark and Sonic and the Traxx, as they should because they aren't just targeting a small sliver of buyers. Plus the C-class is not so entry level, that has become a pretty nice car and you can get a 500 hp V8 in it, I think there is room for a vehicle below it. And next gen S-class will raise the bar, AMG GT73 was confirmed today, so S73 will follow, they won't use that powertrain in just one car. They are pushing plenty upmarket too.

Why not?? Does MB only have a single model? Upper end vehicles are terrible values because they cost the owner far more in depreciation (as measured in dollars) than others, yet they don't DO anything different than others. If you want to flush $85,000 down the drain in 3 years, buy a top-end MB. Ans yes; absolutely they should not have dipped 2 or 3 notches below the c-class; it demeans/devalues the core model lines. It just plays off as a money grab. And front wheel drive, to boot!

How does things like this get through manufacturing and not noticed that a lube point is not being lubed.Pathetic.

I know. They built a brand we engine.. with a considerable amount less output.

Agree that GM should have continued to make and branch out with the Supercharged and Turbo charged SS engines. No, I do not see it as trolling but stating the obvious that @smk4565 continues to ignore. MB is no longer and has not been for the last couple of Decades a Luxury only auto company. With the amount of Taxis they produce and sell on the E platform which is all hard plastic city to the FWD A-Class. MB which was originally seen only as a luxury auto company has changed to be a global cheap to ubber luxury auto company and as such being compared to Toyota, Chevrolet, Hyundia, etc. is to be expected and warranted.

Playing with the online configurator, I was able to get a Taycan Turbo S to $246k with options...fun, fun

Exactly. Performance of the Chevy Bolt is more than sufficient for most people.... but adding a bigger battery would get it up over 300 mile range and on to 400.

I don't care about the number but the advancing technology to get there is what I care about.

Actually, I’m really curious about this. I remember when Tesla’s could only go 125 MPH even with rapid acceleration. I would like to know what going 200 MPH+ would do to the battery?

Unfortunately, that is the psychology of today's shopper... they only want the car if they're getting big rebates or special financing. Ignoring the fact that the price of the car has been jacked up.

Boy, does that piss me off..

^ Youtube 'kirk douglas 2018' as see if you still agree on the 108 thing. - - - - - How steep are the banks on the super speedways, you ask?

They'll do the Khols special and just slap discounts all over the place to make the consumer feel like they're getting a killer deal(which they'll be getting the vehicles at about what they should be selling them for, imo).

My point was that even the Germans, especially Benz has been the playing value card with their sub-$30K cars and CUVs. Certain German car fans seem to think only Cadillac has to do that to succeed when that is clearly not the case. Cadillacs value plan though seems to be a better one. Now if they’ll just stick with it and execute it, then they will be okay.

Hate to say it, but GM needs to cut their CUV prices to regain market share. I suggest $3000 off MSRP from base to top trim (Chevrolet especially). Ideally GM would just price a Premier trim level at LT price levels. They could also simplify trim levels too.

Literally not the point I was making as you have sidestepped it completely. My point is that BOTH companies are playing a value strategy only Cadillacs plan seems to be a better one. I just love how you completely missed the fact that Benz is also playing the value card and has for years now.

I am liking this more and more, a kind of reskin that looks good. The white one pictures here are nice. And the interior is much improved. But as mentioned, the size of it is small and that has always been a problem for the ATS, its just that much too small that it hurt sales. With a new motor, trans, and interior and the reskin if they keep the price in line, it may develop into a decent entry level car. To do that, GM will have to get the cheap leases going. I really dig the dash design of the CT4 and CT5. Still annoyed that blind spot is not standard on a caddy. It hurts that the Ct4 looks way nicer than the CT5 IMO

Do they still have the budget tho? More cuts are sure to come as Germany & mercedes' largest market China possibly see further contractions. At least; that's what some people are saying. Splitting the line into an IC and E versions only broadcasts that Daimler isn't serious about taking Tesla on at all.

Stolen then? Sad when a nice auto gets munched.

Happy Birthday!

I think this is a good way to get their feet wet. They don't want to risk the sales of their existing product, but they still want to offer electrics. They have the budget to do both, so why not?

Half way to 108!!

I feel that you would pick this up and slam that nose onto a tough piece of beef to tenderize it.

54 Rocks! your in your mid life stretch!

the more I look at this grille, the more I hate it.

This would be too small for me unfortunately. I'm thinking a CT5 with SuperCruise sometime in my future unless I get a new house.

Thanks, I am 54 today...times goes by fast.

The last 2 electric dehumidifiers I had were recalled due to fire risks. ?

Man I thought the G6 GXP grill was too much...

Gotta love CarPlay Google Maps earth view. Especially helpful if in the middle of nowhere. Last night getting back to Philly from upstate NY. Best voice recognition on this one, and helpful "may be closed...is closing soon..." notifications when you pick certain businessed based on your travel. Every day in my car. I can't fathom using an inbuilt system again...and have one.

When they are all EVs.

Just accept that Mercedes is NOT a Luxury auto only company, but have changed into the Toyota/GM/ just about any other auto company with making cheap to expensive auto's that cover a wide range of income categories. You cannot be a luxury auto maker only when you are making JCPenny's priced products too.

People complain Mercedes is overpriced and poor value, then complain that Mercedes are too cheap and too low end. Hmm, can’t be both ways. I don’t think Cadillac needs a luxury Cruze or anything smaller than the CT4, the CT4 will probably be a sales dud even In the low $30s. A-class will out sell it. CT5 might do better than CTS did, I think they got the pricing right on that. But Cadillac has no other option than to price way under the Germans.