oldshurst442

@David

If you have any predispositions about women, that would be on you.

Bulgari has sold the snake jewelery motif for 50,60, 70 years now.   That first lovely lady in the black and white picture is Liz Taylor.   She was THE actress  back in the day before you and I were born and a sex symbol for the ages.   She wore a snake watch.  Its in the picture and Bulgari wanted to point that out with pride. 

I had known about the Bulgari Serpenti line and I realized that all the watches that were posted in this thread were all male oriented.  So I decided to be inclusive and post something a lady would appreciate. 

And those of us who are of the male species could surely do the same and adore the beauty and elegance of these time pieces and the diamonds, emeralds, stones and gems.   

Who wouldnt want their better half to be adorned with such elegance and luxury to compliment their beauty?   

Over at the beautiful car thread, I continued to be inspired by this and I wanted to post watches, music, and cars with a theme of a femme fatale.  Then I toned it down with the femme fatale thing and I just wanted to do expensive but elegant trinkets and cars with the assumption that a woman might enjoy those things that I posted.   MY idea of what an elegant lovely lady would want to wear and drive.  

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Yes they all need a $30,000 EV but once the Bolt is killed off I don’t see who is going to make one outside of Tesla.

The Bolt is not killed off.

The Bolt will live on as an Ultium platformed vehicle and most probably be sold at the same price it is now.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44639082/chevrolet-bolt-ev-second-generation-details/

• There will be a second-generation Chevrolet Bolt EV, General Motors CEO Mary Barra confirmed today during an earnings conference call.
• Earlier this year, General Motors had proclaimed the Bolt dead as it prepared the hatchback's factory for a transition to assembling electric pickups.
• But the Bolt is not dead and is in fact getting better, with Barra revealing that the second-gen Bolt will use GM's newer Ultium battery technology.

Also, the Equinox EV  is also said to be starting  at around the 30 000 mark as well.  

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/equinox-ev

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

GM might come back with Bolt 2.0 at $30k

 GM WILL come back with a Bolt 2.0

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

but GM loses money on the Bolt,

The Bolt 1.0 was the only vehicle on that platform.  Then the EUV came. But still no economies of scale.  The Bolt 2.0 has 23 or 24 new EVs coming to help spread the costs of those batteries.  $100 000 plus Escalades and Silverados.  $350 000 Celestiqs.  $60 000 Lyriqs.  $50 000 Blazers and all kinds of Buicks not to mention the two Chevrolets called Bolt and Equinox @ 30K to help with those costs...   

Also...Honda will be using this platform which will also aid in keeping those costs down...  

Therefore...

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

just like all these car companies outside of Tesla lose money on EV’s

GM may NOT be like others to lose money on EVs...   

Also, Tesla is NOT making the money it NEEDS  BECAUSE they DISCOUNT their EVs BECAUSE their market share is eroding.   Classic automobile scenario...      

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

but at the same time his company is worth $800 billion

Worthless... 

All smoke and mirrors. 

Tesla is waaaaaaaaaay OVERvalued and THAT might bite MANY people in the ass.  All kinds of investors and banks that have enjoyed the riches of OVER evaluating Tesla all these years.   ESPECIALLY if Tesla's market share keeps eroding and Tesla continues on discounting their cars.    Reailty WILL eventually settle in with Tesla's evalution...   The chickens WILL come home to roost...

I REALLY cant stress enough Tesla's need for 2nd generation of their S-3-X-Y  line-up. 

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

And back to Tesla the refresh Model 3 is on sale in China and Europe now, so we should have it next year with a Model Y refresh right after.

Refreshes mean nothing when EVERYBODY will be offering NEW shinier and BETTER products...

Take the Equinox EV for example.   Or the Honda products that are the Equinox's platform brother.   

The Bolt 2.0

The Buicks

All those and JUST from GM will give Tesla headaches. ESPECIALLY when GM products and their owners WILL be able to USE Tesla's supercharger network...  

Also...GM will be building their OWN network too.  WITH BMW, Honda, Hyundai-KIA, Stellantis, MERCEDES-BENZ... 

https://news.gm.ca/en/home/newsroom.detail.html/Pages/news/ca/en/2023/jul/0726_seven.html

• Seven major global automakers – BMW Group, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz Group, Stellantis NV – will create an unprecedented new charging network joint venture that will significantly expand access to high-powered charging in North America
• Targeting to install at least 30,000 high-powered charge points in urban and highway locations to ensure customers can charge whenever and wherever they need
• With a focus on delivering an elevated customer experience, the network will provide reliability, high-powered charging capability, digital integration, appealing locations, various amenities while charging, and use renewable energy
• Charging stations will be accessible to all EV customers, offering both Combined Charging System (CCS) and North American Charging Standard (NACS) connectors
• First stations are scheduled to open in the summer of 2024

2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Tesla wants to sell 20 million cars a year

Elon also wants to colonize Mars.  There is no oxygen nor water in space and on Mars.  So...

Only Tesla?

Everybody needs to sell $30 000 vehicles. Be it ICE or EV. 

North American consumer goods and services have gone through the roof price wise and wages have stagnated.  All those manufacturers that want to bail on affordable cars will soon find out that pricey cars will rot on their dealership lots.  And...doom their existence that much faster. 

Without straying too far away from the crux of this discussion...Tesla needs 2nd gen of their S-3-X-Y line-up.  They dont need a $30 000.  They would be going downmarket for no reason.  They have already established themselves and their image as premier EV makers.  They have established themselves in a price market where people do not think twice giving up their hard earned cash.  And that price range is $50 000-$100 000.     All Elon has to do is make sure the 2nd gen of their S-3-X-Y line-up is better than the 1st gen in every possible metric and let marketing do their job properly and they will maintian their market share quite easily.    But they need those 2nd gens right now...   Elon is foolin' around NEEDLESSLY with that Cybertruck and Roadster 2.0.   If he had thought things through and ADVANCED his EV tech INSTEAD of putting all that money and energy into Twitter/X and Mars...Tesla tech would have continued to be 10 years ahead of the competition and threats from Lucid and Rivian and GM and Volks/Porsche and the Chinese companies would have been at bay.  Cute projects like the Cybertruck and Roadster 2.0 could then be started after.  

Instead, its Ford and Dodge that truly re-imagined what the electric pick-up truck could and will be, and GM produced the concept dream poster truck  made into production toy for the rich Hummer pick-up and SUV.  And it was Rivian that swooped in with their vision the electric lifestyle offroader.    

The dream of going 0-60 in 1.9 seconds in electric style with the Roadster 2.0 has also been messed with because Elon had other things to do.  And Ferrari, Lamborghini, Corvette and everybody else that has entered the elctric world, be it with hybrid thought or pure electrics, they all pushed Tesla aside. 

 Ill repeat,   when Elon was selling us his visions, these electric visions of speed and innovation and re-imagining new ways and change the old ways, every other OEM on the planet had no freaken idea where to start with EV development.  

And here we are today in 2023, Elon has pissed that lead away.  And more market erosion will happen.  

Elon could price drop his current EVs, but Elon NEEDS that revenue.  He cant afford to drop those prices.  Sure, he sells more cars  this way and maintains somewhat that 50% marketshare threshold.  But monies arent coming in that Tesla DESPERATELY needs.   

100% EV makers dont have any other kind of vehicle to sell.

GM could price drop the EVs to maintain equal prices with Tesla.  But GM ALSO sells ICE.  GM has revenue coming either way.  Ditto for Ford and VW and everybody else that produces their own EVs but produces ICE as well... 

GM  has a history of 100 plus years of going toe to toe with price wars with its rivals.   What Tesla is facing now about dropping prices to maintain market share, and GM, Ford AND Stellantis...ALL of Stellantis not just Chrysler, have been through this SEVERAL times and they know that this kind of thing NEVER ends good...   Tesla is going to feel lots of pain.  

Tesla NEEDS 2nd gens of their S-3-X-Y cars.    I CANT stress that enough...   

Tesla does NOT need to sell lower priced cars IF 2nd gen of their  S-3-X-Y cars go on sale.  Tesls has THAT vehicle price range ALL to themselves.  But...they NEED those 2nd gens right now for them to continue to own that price range!!! 

Yes...even this one is torture DESPITE being a quite capable and interesting ENTHUSIAST car...   

Nothing to do with it being a hatch.  Nor a 3 cylinder.  But EVERYTHING to do with it being a Toyota...  

The Cybertruck wont do jack to stop Tesla's slip in market share.  It wont even help in maintaining it either.

Too many EVs from different manufacturers are going to hit the market like a bullet train. Many model EVs that are fresher and newer and most importantly, shinier then ANYTHING Tesla has got in its inventory INCLUDING the Cybertruck.  The Cybertruck is old news by now despite it going on sale and delivered last month or two ago.  LOL. The Silverado EV also just went on sale.  The F150 EV has been on sale for some time.  The Cybertruck has got too many established competitors (Ford and GM) in the truck market even if EV for the Cybertruck to mean anything to anybody. 

And guess what?   The RAM EV is not available just yet. Just wait until THAT model goes on sale.   Seriously...you actually think Tesla will make a dent in truck sales?    The conservative anti-EV people hate anything EV.  Chevy, Ford and Dodge will have a phoquing hard time to convince these people to buy into them. And these folk are HARDCORE Detroit consumers.  They wont buy Tesla.  They HATE Tesla.  LOL.  If they WILL buy an EV truck, it WILL be from their favorite brand. But you will have to pry their internal combustion truck from their cold dead hands before that happens.  But it will be an EV truck from Detroit. Not from California.  The Cybertruck wont even make Tesla Model S-3-X-Y owners budge.  Oh...some will bite, but Tesla's shine is not nearly as bright as it once was.  ESPCIALLY when Ford, GM, Stellantis and others have JOINED forces to USE Tesla's supercharger network.  LOL.  THAT partnership goes both ways.  It solidifies Tesla as THE premier electricity provider and perhaps enhance their EV image...BUT...when Tesla has over riped fruit on their kitchen table and Elon's mouth just molds the fruit away

people will buy elsewhere.  When the EV charger issue for everybody else has now been rectified by them using Tesla chargers, now people have less worry for charging their non-Tesla EV.

Telsa had an almost unsurmountable  grip on EV market share just a short 5 years ago.  But now...too many competitors are fighting for possession and their EV tech is just as good as Tesla's. But with shinier newer vehicles. 

The moron allowed for his competiton to catch up to him.  He not only dropped the football, he fumbled it and we dont quite know just yet if Tesla recoverd the ball, or if the opposing teams have possession...  

Sure, there will be plenty of automakers that wont make it.  But that also INCLUDES Tesla.

Tesla DESPERATLEY needs 2nd gens of the S-3-X-Y line up.   What  Tesla does NOT need is a Roadster 2.0 or a Cybertruck.  Those were needed 3 years ago. Those would have solidified Tesla dominance.  Those never came.   X and Mars were more important to him.  

LOL

When all of the automotive world has shifted their excitement for hybrid old guard sportscars...you just know Tesla has lost their shine just a little bit...

7 hours ago, ccap41 said:

While I don't exactly think there is a "problem", I also don't exactly think a manufacture-produced video proves much of anything. Obviously the manufacturers are working to avoid fires but this doesn't really prove that there isn't currently a problem. 

Well...it just proves that Mercedes-Benz EVs are engineered not to flame up uncontrollably. 

Im surelike you, dont think the other EV manufacurers are not willfully trying to BBQ their drivers either, but my concerns about this are slightly dissipated knowing that at least with not only Mercedes, but with other EVs as well, that an EV wont just go up in flames when in a collision.  A collision that is at least calculated.  Calculated as in accounted for in a controlled collision.  

Ill be cautious about collisions that havent been engineered. Because sometimes collisions dont exactly happen like in the tests they do.  Same goes for internal combustion engines. 

 The thing is, a battery fire seems to be more intense and harder to put out.  And water just doesnt cut it.  And those two things are what concerns me.    And this is what I originally meant by 'elephant in the room'.  Mercedes just proved that a collision is not enough short the batteries to ignite and cause a fire.  Mercedes proved with this test that batteries can and are protected just as well as gasoline is in a gas tank in a car.  

On 8/28/2023 at 11:20 AM, David said:

Just like how we have idiots in their rolling Coal trucks that ICE charging stations, you are right in that we do not have enough large data to know one way or another. Just like the Ship that sunk and the fires on ships that people are jumping to saying it was EVs that caused it. We have no idea if it was the EV battery packs, human error, human hatred of EVs that started the fires on the ships or what.

Yes, poor battery cell design can lead to fire issues as was proven in the BOLT battery pack recall. Yet enough also has been done to know that over all with less flammable fluids in an auto, EVs tend to be safer from fires than ICE.

Time will prove this out and of course fire departments around the world are learning how to deal with an EV fire issue and like you said, the by-pass of the battery pack to make it safe for emergency personal to extract folks from an accident also help.

Id like to show you that I can retract certain opinions that I hold.

This is regarding the issue I had with battery fires especial in instances of accidents. I said that battery fires maybe a huge problem that maybe kinda nobody wants to talk about. 

 I said that there are not enough EVs getting into accidents to actually say that there is no issue for EV battery fires. I said that battery fires could be a huge concern.

  Your assesment of this situation is correct, Id say!   You said calmly that there is no issue...  

Mercedes Benz proves that their EVs at least and their batteries,  are safe in accidents.  

6 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

There was V reboot series about 10 years ago, don't know if it was any good. 

I was watching that.  

It was pretty good.  I enjoyed it.  Was sad that it wasnt continued.    Kinda like in the 1980s...  Discontinued abruptly.  At least in the original 80s version, there was a 2nd or 3rd season but ended shortly thereafter when that hybrid baby came along.  It grew  up (fast) I remember as a pre-teen or teen but then the show was canceled...   Something like that.    The reboot didnt last a season.  

I enjoyed the two part made for TV movie that spawn the TV series the most.  I remember enjoying the 1st season a lot but then the subsequent stories and seasons (those were off and on again as well before being canned for good) were cheesiest.  I mean, the whole V thing was cheesy, but it was good cheese.  The last episodes of V were not as good is what Im trying to say.

The reboot was not cheesy at all.  If I rememer correctly, it followed the story beats of the original, but were nicely acted.  It was a more grounded production.

An interesting outlook on it, the movie Independance Day starring Will Smith in 1996 was EXACTLY the TV movie V for the first 40 or so minutes.  The way the ships come into the Earth's atmosphere.  The way the ships  line up on top of chosen Earth cities.  Is all the same.   Up until the White House was blown up. 

In the TV series V, the aliens come down to earth to introduce themselves while sneakily disguising their intentions and their actual reptilian appearance.  The movie Independance Day, we get to know the true intentions of the aliens when they destroy the chosen locations.  And this is where the two movies separate.  

9 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

For the Canadians, I believe it's an annual celebration of the harvest more so than commemorating the symbolic arrival of the pilgrims to Plymouth Rock in Massachusetts. 

Yup. Pretty much that.

On 10/5/2023 at 11:49 AM, David said:

I loved the large concerts in my college days, and am not whining about it, but stating what i see as way too many people thinking these 80 year old prunes are worth your hard earned money when they cannot dance, sing or over all perform like they did 30 to 40 years ago.

Perfect example is Queen, Awesome music and if they come to Seattle I would pay money to see Adam Lambert sing those songs. The music is great even still for the old band mates and same with Rolling Stones, Who, etc. Musicians tend to have a longer better life in playing the music than the singers do.

Find a young man who can perform the way Mick Jagger did 30 to 40 years ago and have them sing the songs while the current band plays and I am there to rock out.

Your right that Jazz and the Frank Sinatra types would not do well in a Cement style large multiple thousand stadium.

Depending on what you put into your Home Theater, the experience can be every bit as good if not better than a Theater.

Yes, screen size does matter, surround sound and add On's such as chair vibrators help to really send home the experience. 

Considering how dirty and smelly the theaters are, even the new ones that have leather chairs and serve food with adult beverages, I have not seen a reason to see any Movie anymore at a theater. But then most do not have a theater like I have, so as you say, the experience is very different from home to theater for most people.

 You dont have to be such a Debbie Downer...  There is no reason for it. 

3 minutes ago, David said:

You can enjoy the old prune of a performer which is your right and the freedom we enjoy

You too, can enjoy what you enjoy...   

4 minutes ago, David said:

I also will enjoy my higher expectations of an enjoyable night.

Subjective.

remember...YOU are the one to judge.

5 minutes ago, David said:

Rather have a dinner performance at a jazz club now or a small venue with an artist than in a large cement block with thousands of others in terrible acoustic presentations.

Sure. 

But that is the reality of...ARENA rock.  You know...the rock-n-roll OF the 1960s all the way to the early 1990s.

Started by the likes of THE Rolling Stones in the 1960s  and perfected by all sorts of bands in the 1970s like Pink Floyd and Kiss and was THE standard in the 1980s.  Bud, that would be almost 30 years of rockers rockin' in venues like that.  And you kinda missed the point.   Those types of venues were NOT about the accoustics... 

Pink Floyd, well, one member started loathing himself and the band and life and the band broke up because of that. 

12 minutes ago, David said:

Rather have a dinner performance at a jazz club now or a small venue with an artist

And yes.  YOU do you.

NOBODY told you to do otherwise.  

But you got to understand, KISS and The Rolling Stones do well in huge venues.  The artist you chose to highlight to us is NOT Arena rock.   She wont do well in that environment.  Guess what though.  Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis jr. wont either.   

Please put some percpective in what you wanna whine about. 

15 minutes ago, David said:

Like others here, I would rather sit in the comfort of my home theater chair and watch my James Bond collection on my Theater system where I can pause the movie

And it would be YOUR choice to do so.  I too, enjoy that.

But yet again, a big blockbuster of a movie was meant to be enjoyed in a movie theatre.

Shawshank Redemption, which I saw in the movie theatre, was more enjoyed by me at home in MY home theatre environment.  But ALL blockbuster movies, you name them, from ALL Star Wars movies to James Bond to Arnold action movies to everything that has to deal with huge production costs and special effects are better enjoyed IN a movie theatre.  

You could choose to say that you would prefer your home, your choice, your freedoms, but please dont put your prefernces on me. Because THAT is exactly what you are trying to do.  

Poo pooing huge production movies and Arena rock performances with legendary groups perhaps performing for the very last time is not a very open minded kind of thinking.  

Your choice your freedoms. 

21 minutes ago, David said:

Guess as I have gotten older

Im guessing you were NEVER the type to enjoy all that to begin with. 

21 minutes ago, David said:

I expect better quality of performance and experience

Still subjective...

22 minutes ago, David said:

experience than to try and live in my college days of loud concert venues.

Like I said...it seems to me you NEVER enjoyed that to begin with...

Its nice to see the trusted PIT maneuver, or any variant form of, outside of the USA with the same American problems plaguing other countries.  Maybe the shytty arrogance of Eurotrash snobbiness will dissipate when THEIR societal problems make OUR headlines and  pop culture, music and movies in general will talk about THEIR inequalities and lowlife individuals...

Now...I CAN be down with some comparisons of which police car has the best PIT maneuver capabilites.   That Audi in the video or the legendary 1990s B Body Caprice and last gen Fox body Ford Crown Vic. 

I put my money on the American cop cars. 

On 10/3/2023 at 11:27 AM, David said:

but would not waste any money to see them in concert now, way over the hill and the songs do not sound anything like they did when they were in their prime.

All Im hearing...is that you are not really a Rolling Stones fan and would rather see what your personal tastes are in concert.  

3 hours ago, David said:

Have not been to a major concert since my college days

Which is fine.

3 hours ago, David said:

Personal choice as I would not spend the money to see them now, rather watch earlier recordings of them performing and listen to the songs when they were in their prime

Like you said, Personal choice as I would rather see Mick Jagger and Keith Richards wrinkley and old @ 80 live in the cement block named Olympic Stadium in Montreal who Pink Floyd famously wrote a hugely famous song about than watch a young, perky vibrant Keiki Matsui. 

Nothing wrong with that either. 

But I wrote it like that because you seem dismissive of what I said earlier

15 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

But...sometimes, even if the time has cime to retire, its still enjoyable to see the magic of the artist perform even though the show maybe lacking.  The legend of said artist suprasses the actual show.  That is the appreciation.  With the Stones, Jagger and Richards have still got the goods to deliver a great show, but...even they arent spring chickens anymore, the fact that at 80 they still give a show, THAT in itself is worth the price of admission.  To see the Stones ONE. LAST. TIME. 

When legendary performers such as The Rolling Stones, Kiss, Def Leppard, AC/DC and many others, chalk up Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Adams too, when they do a concert, and their vocals or performance falls short of expectations, even kind of like Vince Neil of Motley Crue or Axl Rose of Guns and Roses, really, it does not matter. At THAT point its NOT aboutn the show.  Its about seeing them one last time before they are gone.   

Vince Neil and Axl Rose may not be legends, and therefore your assesment IS correct about them retiring.  And when I say gone, I really mean dead.  Tina Turner, Tony Bennett...  Even Tony didnt sound as good when old as when he was young...   Its REALLY about seeing them ONE. LAST. TIME.

But the conversation is NOT about those people.  Its about The Rolling Stones.   ANY concert with them IS worth it.  They bare STILL on top of their game.  And it IS worth seeing them beofre THEY are gone. And THAT is not a personal choice IF you are a fan.  ITS a bloody fact. IF you are a fan.  If you are NOT a fan, you will say stuff like:

On 10/3/2023 at 11:27 AM, David said:

but would not waste any money to see them in concert now, way over the hill and the songs do not sound anything like they did when they were in their prime.

but at least you course corrected somewhat...

3 hours ago, David said:

Personal choice as I would not spend the money to see them now, rather watch earlier recordings of them performing and listen to the songs when they were in their prime, but then I know I am an odd duck in comparison to those that go to the concerts.

And at least you have acknowledged that you are an odd duck concerning these things.

Yes.  Passed my theory test and the actual driving test on both of my first tries.

In Quebec, there are three parts to the theory exam and... nobody gets 100% because as soon as you get to the minimum passing grade, off you go to the next part.   I forget what the percentage is per part, I think its 75%.  So if there are 20 questions per part, one needs to answer 15 questions right.  As soon as one answers 15 right, off to the next part.  If one gets 6 answers wrong. Bye Bye.  One could answer 15 correct answers in a row and one could get 6 answers wrong in a row.  

On my first two parts, I got no answers wrong. On the third part, I answered everything correct in a row and just needed 1 more, but then I got 4 or 5 wrong in a row and the sweats started going.  But I got the following answer right and the thoeory part done with. 

 My driving test was a breeze.  

I think my wife past on her 1st tries.   My daughter as well.   She got her driver's license just before the summer started and past both on her 1st tries.  My son just started doing his driver's ed.  Hopefully he too, will be like his sister and parents. 

11 hours ago, David said:

@oldshurst442 @Robert Hall Love the music you guys are talking about but would not waste any money to see them in concert now, way over the hill and the songs do not sound anything like they did when they were in their prime.

At Dell Technology World 2019 we had for our customer appreciation party Eric Clapton. I have always loved his music and guitar playing. Brought the wife that year, so spent the $145 for an extra ticket for her to see him in concert. She had spent the day relaxing and listening to all his music online. 

We went to the concert and left after the 3rd song, was the biggest let down and worst performance of his music ever. He was 74 then and just as I have seen broadcasts of Jagger and others, they just are not what they used to be and need to retire IMHO. 

There comes a time when you can appreciate the desire to perform and do what you did when you were younger, but need to pass the baton on to the more youthful and be more of a mentor.

I understand what you are saying, and when the time has come to retire, the time has time to retire.  And I agree. But...sometimes, even if the time has cime to retire, its still enjoyable to see the magic of the artist perform even though the show maybe lacking.  The legend of said artist suprasses the actual show.  That is the appreciation.  With the Stones, Jagger and Richards have still got the goods to deliver a great show, but...even they arent spring chickens anymore, the fact that at 80 they still give a show, THAT in itself is worth the price of admission.  To see the Stones ONE. LAST. TIME.   

12 hours ago, ccap41 said:

So in 2026 we will see Ford, Cadillac, and Audi all enter F1 and I'm freakin stoked about that! 

Me too.  Especially for GM and Ford. 

12 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Oh, I also think it's really cool that Cadillac has made it a requirement to have at least one American driver. That was part of them getting allowed into F1. I assume it's to help continue their US expansion and ratings. 

 I think its a 'no shyte Sherlock' decision to have an Amercian driver.  I am expecting American drivers.  Im also wanting them to be beasts and therefore  worlds best to kick some Eurotrash ass.   And If you look at Corvette Racing, there was always at least one American driver on the team so not only feasible to have a world beater American driver, but expected as the Corvette Team HAS had MANY Americans driving and winning.  OK...quickly on top of my head, Garcia, Gavin and Magnussen were NOT American, and Fellows as a Canadian,  WERE the cream of the top and gave Corvettes the checkered flag, but with the same breath,  O'Connel, Taylor and Milner, 'Mericans, were just as great as the other guys I mentioned.    So yeah...COOL.  

Too bad Jacques Villeneuve maybe to old to drive for Cadillac.   Then I would have REALLY been excited.  

Im sure Andretti Racing will assemble a great racing team regarding pilots. American or otherwise.  

Original?

On 10/1/2023 at 11:24 AM, Robert Hall said:

I like the new Stones songs...have the album on preorder (I still buy CDs!)...

Damn right!   Hard copy. Will ALWAYS be yours.   I dont buy music anymore, but I do buy movies.  DVDs baby!!!! 

On 10/1/2023 at 11:24 AM, Robert Hall said:

I hope they tour again..had tickets for their 2020 show but it was cancelled and not rescheduled due to COVID..last saw them in Las Vegas in 2005ish.

Bummer about the Covid.  That shyte really screwed us over in many ways...

  I think they will tour again.  Nothing is stopping them.    Jagger is 80 and Richards is 79 and STILL going on strong.  Daaaaaayum!    But at least you saw them if by some chance they wont tour again.  But they do have this new album and they are really old school. Im am posituve they will tour again.     Was that the only time you saw them?

I remember when they came to Montreal in '89 with their Steel Wheels album.  The WHOLE city was buzzin' before AND after.    I bought that CD.  Ive got their 40 Licks 2 CD best hits and several cassettes of their classic albums bought used in thrift shops.     I enjoy most of their music and I listen to them constantly to this day.  Although the Steel Wheels album has been looong forgotten on my part... 

On 10/1/2023 at 11:24 AM, Robert Hall said:

As far as what I've been listening to,I've been listening a lot to Peter Gabriel's new songs from the upcoming album i/o.   I really like his new stuff, and of course love his old stuff..been a fan 40+ years.

I saw him in concert here on Wednesday night, put on a 3hr show that was an audiovisual extravaganza--11 hits + 11 new songs.

+1 

This is another fantastic singer/musician that is over the hill so to speak!  Its great to see ALL of them still contributing music for the world to listen to.  Because when they are gone, sadly,  there wont be much music left to talk about enthusiastically.... 

8 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Thanks! 

it was a good one. My uncle, aunt, and cousin were in town from LA because my cousin may be attending a university in the area and he had a shooting competition at the school. So, I got to see some family that I don't get to see too often, so that was pretty cool .

That was a nice gift. Family is always good to see.    

Hopefully the wifey got you something (click sound) real niiice that you'll remember.  Wink Wink

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

@oldshurst442, They did it! Andretti got approval from the FIA for their F1 GM/Cadillac team. 

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/38548308/andretti-wins-fia-approval-bid-enter-f1-11th-team

As I've mentioned before, I'm not stoked AT ALL about them using a Nissan power unit but, if that's what's necessary to get their foot in the door, then so be it. 

We have discussed this on the power units and we both have the same sentiment about Cadillac using Alpine engines.  We differ on what auto group to call them.  Nissan...   I wont go Nissan.  I barely want to go Renault.  Id rather use Apine.   Yeah...Alpine sounds better.   And this would be the main reason why it sucks for Cadillac to be using a power unit OTHER than their own...

But yeah.  They are IN!!!   2 years, right?  On using Alpine units.   Hopefully Cadillac and Andretti dont fudge that up and learn the ins and outs of F1 racing and when the Alpine deal is done, they DOMINATE from the get go.  Because I WILL be holding the Andretti/Cadillac team to HIGHER standards JUST because they would prefer to use  another engine builder's units...  Id be willing to cut them some slack if they used their own.  NOT this way.   Just to be clear though, if the Andretti/cadillac team loses because of driving talent rather than power unit failure, I will be more forgiving.  BUT...if after the 2 years is up and the Andretti/Cadillac cars lack in performance and reliability, I WILL call then out on it.