surreal1272

For all of Toyotas present flaws, they are not dependent on one group of vehicles like GM and Ford, to provide their profits. Aside from their EVs, GM has just a much "old tech" floating around as the rest of them (the 3.6L, the 5.3L, the 6.2L, etc). I like you threw that in there because you think I am now some kind of Toyota fan (I am not). I just don't deal in fanboy logic. I'll leave that to you and SMK. ALL OF THIS! For the record, the 5.3L long predates 2000. My mother's '97 Z71 proves that.

Really? "Narrow minded"? This came from a GM site and it is 100% factual. It leaving out what you think matters, does not change those facts. Take away GMs biggest cash cow and they would not last much longer than Ford. You know and I know that but I am the only who will say it out loud while you make excuses for it. But yeah, they're being "narrow minded". "facepalm" away.

Not mighty GM though lol.

Everyone has until 2030 according to David yet GM is banking on their profit driven full size trucks to keep them rolling until 2035, but yeah it's nothing like Ford lol. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/06/heres-how-much-profit-gm-makes-on-full-size-trucks-and-suvs/ Now go ahead remove those trucks and see how long GM would last with that "diverse product line". It would be the same result as Ford if they did that.

Yeaaaah, no. GM is absolutely still heavily profit driven by their full size trucks, just as much as Ford. Where else is the profit coming from? -EVs? Not yet. -Sedans? Non-existent outside of low volume Cadillac sedan sales Other than the Vette (which really doesn’t account for that much since it’s produced in far fewer numbers) GM still lives and dies by their full size truck profits and its fanboy logic to say that they don’t. A more diverse lineup does not equal more profit.

And how, exactly, is that any different from GM and their full size cash cow trucks? Hint: It isn’t.

Happy Birthday @Drew Dowdell!

"GMs are much more reliable today and have been for years..." Also GM ☝️ I kid (mostly) but that doesn't look good on a luxury make. That's pretty simple stuff.

But it’s “around” $30K lol.

Did I say you specifically? Nope. Sure didn’t. I said “GM fans” of which there are quite a few here. Again, misreading my words. That’s all I’m saying about it at this point. And it looks like @ccap41 already found it. Sure didn’t look like “around” and “at/@“ were distinguishable there but hey, I’m just looking right at the page lol. Your exact words below: ”Chevrolet has given us the best look today of their all-electric Equinox which they stated will start at $30,000 tapping a market EVs to date have not touched yet, will they deliver?” Now I’m done lol.

I did see in their updated press released, where they changed the range to reflect all trims, including the base model. My error and I can admit that. However, that still does not change my point about the price bump and 69 more miles of range doesn’t really change that. They knew they were going with one battery from the jump and that should have been reflected in a proper price announcement from the start, not “oh it was around this price but now it’s $5K more and won’t come out until six to nine months after the more expensive models that we are really hoping to sell. Again, that is a Tesla tactic and I am not down with it.

Somehow missed this the other day, just as you missed the part where I was referring to GM fans and not GM itself. I made that pretty clear in the post you quoted yet somehow missed the actual words that were said. My exact words (that you quoted and misread somehow)… “especially after almost two years of “it’s going to start under $30K” crowing by GMs fans like yourself” If you’re going to quote me, then quote the correct words and not words you thought you saw.

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Passed both the first time but the weird part of mine was the fact that the lady that rode with me during my driving test just happened to be my uncle's ex-wife (they divorced before I was born so I never knew she even existed lol). Didn't know who she was until my dad told me, after the driving test. Probably a smart move lol.

That’s why I go by the facts at hand and not by what someone “sees” and I made that distinction very clear here. And given his past criticism of Tesla and their pricing games, you’d think he would see the issue here but yet here he is saying is he not “blindly defending GM” while saying the above. The product is irrelevant when the product won’t even be released first and instead we get two models that start at $13K higher than the new higher price for the yet to be actually released $35K model. Until the actual product hits, the known price is what we have to analyze here and that’s it. He can make up any excuse about my intent or anything else for that matter but it changes literally nothing that was said here and I stand by it 100%.

I seem to recall a certain Tesla fan raving on about profits and market values recently. Guessing they are looking for some seasoning to go with the crow today. Everyone that wasn’t locked into Musks every word knew this was coming. Tesla’s challenge is how they respond to the competition here and in places like China where BYD is coming up fast and hot. Zero sympathy for Elon or his ilk.

“Hung up”. Yeah. That’s what it is. Not because they keep sliding the price scale upward and then don’t even release the said cheaper model first so by the time it actually comes out, it may be even higher because of “unforeseen circumstances” like inflation and shortages over the last three years lol. Whether it’s Tesla, GM, Rivian, or Ford using “at” or “around”, it’s a BS tactic and that is what you clearly have not gotten here while making up excuses with word semantics and just being GM.

While giving him a pass on this in the past, I believe that was made in error. I mean, based on these very basic stats between the Bolt and CX-9, it’s possible…. …that he is not telling the whole truth here lol. The CX-9 is larger in literally every regard and no amount of “packaging” changes those facts. But hey, maybe my skinnier 6’5” cousin was just sitting in that Bolt wrong recently lol. My guess is he was lacking K-Y.

Don’t bother explaining yourself to the irony challenged. It’s why I’ve said squat to him. A troll telling others they are trolling is still…a troll, for example.

Only the RS/AWD trims gained in range (19). The allegedly cheaper FWD LT stays put at 250 (until GM officially says otherwise) so its only real gain is, in fact, the price.

And don’t get my wrong about the unions and their role here. They wanted more money and they got it. Now, they better validate that raise with a product to match or they will ensure a disaster for those companies down the road. Put up or shut up, basically, at this point.

Yet it could have been $22K after the rebate. Which one sounds more enticing to the customer before pulling the rug out from underneath them? $27K or $22K, especially after almost two years of “it’s going to start under $30K” crowing by GMs fans like yourself (there are repeated posts by you making this claim over that time)? See if your word game applies here. Don’t “agree to disagree”. Actually make a valid point supporting GMs misleading claim of pricing on a vehicle that will not even be the first one out the gate? Explain how it makes any difference (as far as the wording) when the first models coming up for this “around $30K” are both far north of that price by “around” $18K?

No need to wonder. The big 3 would continue to not pay their workers enough while producing a subpar (at times) product. Sorry but if CEOs like Barra can collect $29 million last year (alone) to basically be a mouthpiece, then they can afford to pay their workers an actual living wage. Not saying the UAW is perfect because I have called them out many times in the past but to act like these companies would somehow be better without unions is ignoring the reasons why they exist in the first place.

Not when it comes to the same expectations from prospective customers expecting a closer to $30K EV instead of a $35K EV that won’t even be out first. In a battle to gain a certain amount of good PR and trust, GM ended up doing the same thing as Tesla. Whether someone put down money on it is irrelevant because it’s the same negative PR result. That’s what you are not getting while continuing use SMK like bar moving defense of GM. “Agree to disagree”. That’s on you since you’re the one blindly defending the practice while I called out both companies for it without the excuses.

You literally did just that above, hence me quoting you on it. Like I said before, the word semantics matter not one bit to prospective customers who were told one thing only to be misled or lied to over. Around or at, it’s the same offense, end of discussion.