1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

I was looking into the Canadian market Parisiennes a while back and recall reading that they also had a Caprice based 2dr...  and I think for '82 Canada got the Caprice based Parisienne like the US got for '83. 

I always thought it was odd that in the US for '82 they dropped the B-body Pontiacs and moved the Bonneville name to what had been the A-body LeMans sedan. Kind of a rogue move.

 

The reason why they did this was because GM started changing the missions of the brands in the early 1980's. Pontiac was struggling in the early 1980's. What later happened in 2009  under bankruptcy almost happened in the early 1980's.  The brands got lost because GM did not keep up with the market changes, and there was fuel economy issues and changing regulations.  The mission for each brand got lost. GM split the company into two groups: CPC and BOC. CPC was Chervrolet Pontiac Canada and their mission was to handle small and sporty cars and trucks.  BOC Buick Oldsmobile Cadillac was to handle large and luxury cars. Keep in mind GM was planning to downsize all its larger cars. That started in the late 1970's and the results started to appear in the 1985 model year. Since Pontiacs mission was changing , a large car like the B body Bonneville did not fit their image. We know how the great downzing at GM turned out. When things changed again the merged Bonneville and Parisienne into one car:

Just now, Robert Hall said:

I was looking into the Canadian market Parisiennes a while back and recall reading that they also had a Caprice based 2dr...   I think for '82 Canada got the Caprice based Parisienne like the US got for '83. 

Correct.  They had a coupe and sedan in 1982 in Canada. I have the brochure at home.That was Caprice based. What happened was after 1981 model year when the larger Pontiac Bonneville was dropped in the United States, we got G Body Bonneville which was based on the 1981 G Body Grand LeMans. The reason why we got Canada Parisienne was because the market shifted and Pontiac needed a large car quickly and this was the easy way to do so. They tried to get all the tooling from the 1980-1981 model back for 1985-1986. They got most of it.  They did not get the front end styling.  Also please know that the Pontiac brand in Canada was like Chevrolet in the United States. In Canada the Pontiac and Chevrolet roles were reversed in the GM lineup there. Pontiac did this several more times. One of them was the Pontiac Tempest based off the Chevrolet Corsica. 

1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

Parisienne (the US market one from '83-86) would be a 305.  It was basically a facelifted Caprice (had the Chevy-based interior, and got the Pontiac rear 81 rear clip for '85-86).  The Pontiac 301 was gone after '81, last year of the B-body Catalina and Bonneville. 

As far as 80s GMs, I wouldn't mind having an '80-84 Buick Electra Park Avenue, '80-89 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham de' Elegance (long name!), or '80-86 Caprice as an occasional drive around car.   

What you said about the Parisienne was true, but I neeed to add something as I always do when people talk about Parisienne.  The 1977-1981 Pontiac Parisienne and Bonneville were the same car on both sides of the border:

1980-1981 Bonneville:

1980-1981 Parisienne:

What you said about the 1983-1984 Pontiac Parisienne was true. It was based off the Chevrolet Caprice, but it offered Oldsmobile Eighty  Eight Royale Brougham seats in 1984. The 1985-1986 Pontiac Parisienne had more than just the 1980-1981 sheetmetal in the rear. It had the 1980-1981 Pontiac Bonneville/ Parisienne rear sheet metal, the seats, the door panels/cards and more. It did have the Caprice front end with a Chevrolet grille and Chevrolet Caprice instruementation panel.  

The video makes many that started this topic makes many valid points. I personally would take these two from the 1980's eventhough I drive and own the 1990's versions of these two cars:

I approve of the options on the list. I agree with what he said completely. What about the GM E Bodies? Cadillac Eldorado/Seville, Buick Riviera and Oldsmobile Toronado 1979-1985( Oldsmobile Toronado and Buick Riviera) and 1988-1992( All E/K-Bodies)? They used the 3800 V6 and the Oldsmobile 307, and Cadillacs much improved 4.5 and 4.9 liter V8 which was based off the HT 4100. A loaded Grand Marquis LS is sharp with digital gauges. The 1989-1993 Deville and Fleetwood I feel should be on the list too as well. I know he recently did a Deville video. He forgot the Pontiac Parisienne 1983-1986. I really enjoyed the video and footage. I smiled all the way through nodding my head.  He did say any GM that used the 3800 V6. I went with two Oldsmobiles( 98 and Toronado) on that front. 

51 minutes ago, trinacriabob said:

Thank you for the kind words, @NINETY EIGHT REGENCY

Everything is a balancing act, it seems.  I won't have big freeways, gleaming skyscrapers, and cheap fuel ... but gain some other things in the United States of Europe. Where I'm at right now, I'm about an hour from France and an hour from the French speaking part of Switzerland.  You overhear numerous languages, which is very okay with me because I don't do monolingual ... one of my quirks.

I like hearing about the cars you own, and have owned, because you have a lot of passion for and information about the cars that I loved growing up.  Happy New Year.  Stay healthy and safe!

You are most welcome.  You will gain more than you expect and you will find joy, peace., and fulfillment in your new beginnings in Europe. I recall how you discussed this in detail in our conversation. You achieved a goal. You will live it now. You seem to be in a good place where you are located.  I wish you a grand New Year and all the best in the year ahead. I will still post many kinds of car videos. Please continue to watch this site. I have a good one under opinion I posted yesterday. It was about buying bear classic older cars and which ones are good buys to daily drive. 

Trinacriabob:

All the best to you in your move to Europe. You finally made the choice and decision.  I recall the conversation we had some time ago. I hope for the best and that everything works out in Europe and that you enjoy your new life there.  All the best to you. 

Please check the Tesla section out.  I posted videos about the cybertruck this morning. 

4 minutes ago, David said:

Cool next year models of Tahoe and Suburban.

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Go check what I posted in the Chevrolet section.......

I see ads as a subscriber. Not only that, I could not edit posts I posted for a week or more then it started working again. That is why that one post under heritage got double posted. I was deleting posts and reposting them and then removing the other. I do not know.  I thought maybe I did something. 

Just for your information:

The body style/generation you refer to was produced from 1997-2005.  Both Park Avenue and LeSabre were replace  by Lucene in 2006. 

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