Robert Hall

So far, Genesis models have been on their own platforms (RWD/AWD), unreleated to Hyundai (FWD/AWD). Who knows how they will do it with the BEVs... I could see a Genesis BEV maybe starting $10k more than the Hyundai variant.

Certainly nothing unusual about price overlap between higher trims of models of lower brands with lower trims/models of higher brands... For example, the lowest priced Cadillacs certainly have some price overlap w/ Chevy, GMC and Buicks, so nothing new. So no surprise if some Genesis models overlap Hyundai or Kia models in price.

I love the Challenger and Charger as they are. Wouldn’t mind having one, with a V8 of course.

Yep, in my family we’ve had at least 10 cars and SUVs with the 5.0, including my ‘87 Mustang GT. My Dad had 3 5.0 Town Cars, my Mom 3 Thunderbirds and a Mustang, my brother 3 Mustangs and an Explorer, my sister an Explorer. And a couple older 5.0s--a '68 Cougar and a '68 Fairlane.

IIRC, my Mom's '81 Thunderbird had the 4.2L. She didn't like that car...it had replaced a '77 Thunderbird. The '81 was replaced by an '83 Thunderbird w/ the 5.0.

I think he just meant the '90s 4.3 was of a different time and place than the late 70s-early 80s small V8s...one odd factoid is in the 70s Chevy had both a 262 and a 267. Ford also briefly dabbled in the small V8 game with the long forgotten 255 in the early 80s.

Another beach day today, went and sat on the sand reading a book on the history of Top Gear. Saw a sharp candy apple red '68 Pontiac Firebird 400 w/ Cragar SS wheels...nice rumbly exhaust. Also saw a gray late model Nissan GTR at a gas station out in the country, and a black w/ white interior Rolls Royce Dawn convertible rolling top down...

"Taking Stellantis is not without side effects. Depending on the specific dosage, you may have increased interest in off roading, drag racing, or street racing. Please see your doctor if you have experience any of these side effects while taking Stellantis.."

^that's just someones photoshop daydreaming. I suspect the Charger will be unchanged for some time until a replacement is announced. No changes for 2022 that I've read.

Beach day today..drove up to Presque Isle State Park in Erie, PA to sit on the beach for a while and walk in the surf...very relaxing. Stopped at a 1/2 dozen other beaches along Lake Erie on the way home...saw a variety of interesting cars today. Saw a new Ford Bronco in person for the first time--a gray 2dr out front of a Ford dealer, saw a Porsche Taycan for the first time--a pale blue (almost white) one in Conneaut, Ohio, saw a sharp dark red '70-ish Nova w/ a large cowl hood scoop, a very clean dark blue '65 Mustang 2+2 on I-90, a dark gray w/ black stripes current Shelby GT500, a bright yellow Lambo Huracan. At a beach in Ashtabula, Ohio saw a car show by the water, incl a neat '62 Mercury 4dr. On my street tonight when I got home, saw a very sharp white w/ red interior '70 GTO in a driveway next to a sharp black '73-74 Challenger.

Reminds me of the '69 Custom S, and the former C&G member that had one..

Don't think I've ever seen that green. Riptide Blue was another good 'Slade color.

With the holiday weekend coming up, maybe I'll see something interesting..planning on going to a couple beaches on the lake..

Mr Ickx and Derek Bell at Rennsport Reunion, Laguna Seca 2015. Was such a fun event.

^ looks like a ‘67-68 Olds 88/98 dash.

Another change they made was in 1994 to open up the rear wheel wells. Made the car look less bloated than the low cut 91-93 opening.

The badge.

The gold car is a Caprice that someone inexplicably added Impala SS badges to. The quarter window opening was changed in '95 so the '95-96 Caprice Impala SS both had that 'kink'...(the '94 Impala SS had some plastic there). Those look like '91-92 Caprice LTZ wheels. The real Impala SS was only available a few colors--black, dark red, and a gray blue IIRC...

I'm sure that was said on this very site..

2003-2011 Tesla was pretty much a non-entity in the market, so I could see how he overlooked the first 8 or so years... Rivian has been around for 12 years now as a company, but has yet to get product in the hands of consumers, for example. Lucid has been around 14 years. I can't imagine having such long lead times to get a product to market.

Sharp...sounds pretty stripped down for a Denali trim, though.

They only made about 2500 Roadsters from '08-12, so 2003-2011 doesn't really count--it wasn't until the Model S came out in 2012 that they were taken seriously.

About 10 years ago, I got to ride to lunch in a coworker's '69 Sedan de Ville he inherited from his grandparents. Silver blue 4dr ht. We went out to lunch in it, said it was quite different to drive compared to his Camry. I remember it being very, very quiet and smooth. Seemed as quiet as a modern luxury car...and vast and empty inside w/ bench seats. Lots of hood to look out over...

That would be horrible. I think that does happen w/ the newest Teslas, though. I like interiors with conventional controls for the common use cases--lighting, wiping, radio volume/channel, HVAC... and leave the less used actions to the touch screen. FCA did a good job w/ balancing the practical button-based controls w/ the touch screen, and with redundancy, IMO.